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Post by Audio Watchdog on Apr 25, 2016 22:03:15 GMT
I prefer a female companion, (for The Doctor!) and nobody can really judge 'Bill' until we get to see her in a proper episode, so it's a case of let's wait and see... This is 99% my feeling too but there is that 1% that says if Cardiff want people to judge, they shouldn't have given us a dramatic scene with her in-character. They KNOW every bit of dramatised-Who will be scrutinised and torn apart especially this year with the drought of new footage so I don't think people are being unreasonable to have an opinion formed. I think there is a mis-conception that this is a scene from an episode when it's really just some fluff to say "here she is, here's a tiny bit of what she might be like". Yes, she spoke a lot and crammed a lot of questions in but they had a tiny amount of time during the footy - there wasn't going to be a well-rouned character intro. We''ll get that next Spring, I'm sure. I quite like the idea - we've had various types of reveal from live show to pre-recorded to press release so this was a bit different and hey! There's an extra couple of minutes of Capaldi-era Who that we wouldn't have otherwise. No downside. My sincere hope is that the usual "Well, I'm not watching again" brigade all over the net actually mean it this time instead of raining on everyone elses parade. If it's not what you want from Who - terrific, there's 53 years of tv, novels and audios to choose from without watching just to hate. I think you are exactly right. Of all the ways the show has tried of introducing new cast members, this was the most novel and original way. I don't think this is part of any episode as well....especially when everyone says they won't start filming until next month. I think this was what it was. 2.5 minutes of The Doctor & Bill getting a running start on series 10. We got a flavor of the dynamic between the two and a early look at the newest member of the TARDIS crew. And that is it. Now I just want more info. Is Bill debuting in the Christmas special? Is Peter Jackson really directing for series 10? Who are the writers? And the big one, is Capaldi staying for series 11? And yes, I know the answer to the last way is quite a ways off.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Apr 26, 2016 8:05:12 GMT
There is a huge clue in the clip that everyone seems to have missed. The Doctor says they must get back to the future, that 2017 is waiting for them. WHAT ARE DALEKS DOING IN THE PAST?
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Post by bobod on Apr 26, 2016 8:13:55 GMT
I prefer a female companion, (for The Doctor!) and nobody can really judge 'Bill' until we get to see her in a proper episode, so it's a case of let's wait and see... This is 99% my feeling too but there is that 1% that says if Cardiff want people to judge, they shouldn't have given us a dramatic scene with her in-character. They KNOW every bit of dramatised-Who will be scrutinised and torn apart True but only by people like us. Which they rightly look on as only a tiny part of it all.
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Post by bobod on Apr 26, 2016 8:17:00 GMT
There's more than one person here that I wonder 'What do you actually get out of being here? You never post about the Doctor Who you do like, only ever the stuff you hate. That can't be enjoyable.'
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 8:25:10 GMT
This is 99% my feeling too but there is that 1% that says if Cardiff want people to judge, they shouldn't have given us a dramatic scene with her in-character. They KNOW every bit of dramatised-Who will be scrutinised and torn apart True but only by people like us. Which they rightly look on as only a tiny part of it all. Ooh, I don't think so, for two reasons actually. Firstly, if it wasn't for the fans, NuWho wouldn't be here for us to complain about. Plain and simple. Paul Cornell's Human Nature written for the New Adventures played no small part in inspiring Russell T. Davies to try and launch the New Series; the flood of stories that popped out of the Wilderness Years helped to keep the show alive until then. Secondly, the most recent year with a targeted attempt to return to the four-part serials of yore, feels to me quite a lot like trying to pander to the fans. The unfortunate thing there was that Star Wars: The Clone Wars of all things managed to do it better. The mainstream public will always take priority sure, but the contribution of fans across the years is by no means tiny.
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Post by bobod on Apr 26, 2016 8:48:30 GMT
There's fans and there's fans.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Apr 26, 2016 9:32:13 GMT
There's more than one person here that I wonder 'What do you actually get out of being here? You never post about the Doctor Who you do like, only ever the stuff you hate. That can't be enjoyable.' I take it thats directed at me? Not my fault that Classic Who isn't shown on tv, or scheduled DVD releases. Or my fault that Moffat writes drivel.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 9:39:15 GMT
There's more than one person here that I wonder 'What do you actually get out of being here? You never post about the Doctor Who you do like, only ever the stuff you hate. That can't be enjoyable.' I take it thats directed at me? Not my fault that Classic Who isn't shown on tv. Or my fault that Moffat writes drivel. I wouldn't take it as a dig at you Paul, since you do post about the Who you enjoy. For example I've just seen you post that you're currently watching the War Games. Just because you strongly express what you dislike doesn't mean there aren't things you do enjoy, and doesn't make either of those opinions invalid. sometimes though when people on either side of a debate get very blunt in how they position their feelings then the discussion can feel overly emotional. often it isn't meant, but is people just using keyboard shorthand.
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Post by bobod on Apr 26, 2016 9:49:33 GMT
I take it thats directed at me? Not my fault that Classic Who isn't shown on tv. Or my fault that Moffat writes drivel. I wouldn't take it as a dig at you Paul, since you do post about the Who you enjoy. For example I've just seen you post that you're currently watching the War Games. It wasn't a "dig" at *anybody*. It was an observation about some posters and a wonder about what enjoyment they get out of endlessly negative posts and never (/hardly ever) writing *about* the stuff they like.
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Post by doctorkernow on Apr 26, 2016 11:25:12 GMT
Just because you strongly express what you dislike doesn't mean there aren't things you do enjoy, and doesn't make either of those opinions invalid. Hello again. That quote should be the forum motto for this site. Throughout its long history Dr. Who has had a variety of approaches from the producers or show runners in creative control. Each approach has had its fans and detractors. What you need to do is explain why you feel the way you do about a particular era. My go to guy on how this approach can be fascinating reading is doc oho. His review site is a masterclass in how to appraise Doctor Who. You can disagree with his reviews but at least you get a funny, insightful commentary as to why he likes Timelash but hates Caves of Androzani. (Just kidding Doc.!) Go and read his reviews and find out. docohobigfinish.blogspot.co.ukSo, opinion without reasoned argument is like shouting in the playground about which team is best. One thing I do love about this forum and its predecessor is the civilised banter. A far cry from the venemous vitriol you get on other social media sites.
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Post by constonks on Apr 26, 2016 12:19:32 GMT
I was just reading the transcript of that scene, and realized there are a couple of lines that stand out as unique to me.
The main one that gives me pause is the line about the Dalek out back with no guns and two suckers. It comes and goes quickly and is said like a wisecrack, but that's a different type of line. That's actually a funny idea, not a quip, and shows a bit of Bill's creativity - and that she can find the funny side of things quite easily. If the script is written and performed well, I could like those qualities as defining traits.
"Laugh. Because it's always funny," the Doctor said to Clara as he zapped his own memory of her. Seems appropriate if my analysis here is correct.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Apr 26, 2016 15:10:34 GMT
I wouldn't take it as a dig at you Paul, since you do post about the Who you enjoy. For example I've just seen you post that you're currently watching the War Games. It wasn't a "dig" at *anybody*. It was an observation about some posters and a wonder about what enjoyment they get out of endlessly negative posts and never (/hardly ever) writing *about* the stuff they like.
I love the idea of an alien travelling through time and space in a police box. Its brilliant. Not keen on a madman in a box repeated travelling to Earth so the companion can have a full time job and a partner. Moffat has been quoted as saying that the new companion will be more central to the show. How can she be more central than Clara?
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Apr 26, 2016 21:28:16 GMT
Polly was probably the first 20ish woman. Susan was an alien, Barabara an experienced teacher so probably in her 30s, Vicki and Dodo both teenagers and Sara also in her 30s. Liz had a doctorate (or two?) and was established and published in her field, so again in her 30s. Sarah wasn't an inexperienced journalist, in fact she was established and experienced enough for her editor to allow her to go off and do investigative journalism. Leela was probably in her 20s. Romana an alien. Nyssa was probably as old as Sarah Sutton was. Tegan, Peri and Mel were in their 20s. Ace was heavens only knows, supposedly a teenager.
So out on the 34, I'd say 10 or so we're women in their 20s - Polly, Sarah-Jane, Leela, Tegsn, Peri, Mel, Jo, Rose, Martha, Clara and Amy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 22:06:04 GMT
Moffat has been quoted as saying that the new companion will be more central to the show. How can she be more central than Clara? Where's that quote from please? I haven't read it myself.
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Post by Ela on Apr 26, 2016 22:17:08 GMT
True but only by people like us. Which they rightly look on as only a tiny part of it all. Ooh, I don't think so, for two reasons actually. Firstly, if it wasn't for the fans, NuWho wouldn't be here for us to complain about. Plain and simple. Paul Cornell's Human Nature written for the New Adventures played no small part in inspiring Russell T. Davies to try and launch the New Series; the flood of stories that popped out of the Wilderness Years helped to keep the show alive until then. Secondly, the most recent year with a targeted attempt to return to the four-part serials of yore, feels to me quite a lot like trying to pander to the fans. The unfortunate thing there was that Star Wars: The Clone Wars of all things managed to do it better. The mainstream public will always take priority sure, but the contribution of fans across the years is by no means tiny. How did Paul Cornell's Human Nature inspire RTD to launch the New Series? I don't believe I have heard that before.
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Post by jasonward on Apr 26, 2016 22:35:11 GMT
I don't buy that she's from the 80s. She dresses vintage as do a lot of 20-something ladies I know. On "The Doctor Who Fan Show" (Youtube) the reaction from the presenter, who was given no clue as to what she was going to view, was that "she's very fashionable". That has made me doubt that she's from the 80's.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Apr 26, 2016 22:45:12 GMT
Moffat has been quoted as saying that the new companion will be more central to the show. How can she be more central than Clara? Where's that quote from please? I haven't read it myself. I can't confirm where but its probably the Radio Times. I will search.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Apr 26, 2016 23:23:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 23:42:05 GMT
Ooh, I don't think so, for two reasons actually. Firstly, if it wasn't for the fans, NuWho wouldn't be here for us to complain about. Plain and simple. Paul Cornell's Human Nature written for the New Adventures played no small part in inspiring Russell T. Davies to try and launch the New Series; the flood of stories that popped out of the Wilderness Years helped to keep the show alive until then. Secondly, the most recent year with a targeted attempt to return to the four-part serials of yore, feels to me quite a lot like trying to pander to the fans. The unfortunate thing there was that Star Wars: The Clone Wars of all things managed to do it better. The mainstream public will always take priority sure, but the contribution of fans across the years is by no means tiny. How did Paul Cornell's Human Nature inspire RTD to launch the New Series? I don't believe I have heard that before. Back in the day when the programme was first coming back, the BBC used to have about a dozen or half a dozen ebooks online in PDF format for people who wanted to read up on the Classic Series. Amongst stories like Nightshade, Lungbarrow, The Sands of Time and others, was an illustrated copy of Human Nature with the subtitle: "Read the novel that inspired the modern series!" The PDF went into more detail on the website, through an author's commentary or maybe a forward from Russell T. Davies I think. It's difficult to find a link to them beyond an archived version on the Wayback Machine. Oh, hell. And I'd really hoped that Capaldi was staying on for a new series too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 0:32:51 GMT
Oh, hell. And I'd really hoped that Capaldi was staying on for a new series too. I don't think we should take this as definitive proof Capaldi is leaving, but time will tell
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