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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jul 29, 2016 18:35:08 GMT
One of the oft-asked things when it comes to New Who, especially during the Time War-heavy eras, but past whatever immediate novelty or fanboy wants, let's stop and really think: Could/should she come back? What could you do with her? If so, should it be Carol or bring onboard a new actress?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2016 20:50:46 GMT
She could come back, but I would hope they made it epic.
And no offence to Carol-Ann Ford, but I'd want to see a different actress, so we could speculate about how many Susan's there had been in between. It leaves Big Finish free to write the first incarnation out in the Time War or some such.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2016 20:55:53 GMT
I don't really think there's a place for her in the new series at the moment. I would like to know just what's been going on in post-occupation Earth following To the Death, it sounded as though things weren't getting any better.
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Post by agentten on Jul 29, 2016 23:04:25 GMT
I'd also be interesting in checking in with Susan's life on Earth. I think the most interesting way to do it would be for Ford to return as Susan and then surprise the audience with a regeneration at some point in the story.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jul 29, 2016 23:46:35 GMT
I'd also be interesting in checking in with Susan's life on Earth. I think the most interesting way to do it would be for Ford to return as Susan and then surprise the audience with a regeneration at some point in the story. But then you'd run into the brick wall of 'if Susan was still on Earth all this time, why did the Doctor spend so long moping about all of his own kind, with her very much implied as well, being gone?'
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 0:05:11 GMT
I'd also be interesting in checking in with Susan's life on Earth. I think the most interesting way to do it would be for Ford to return as Susan and then surprise the audience with a regeneration at some point in the story. But then you'd run into the brick wall of 'if Susan was still on Earth all this time, why did the Doctor spend so long moping about all of his own kind, with her very much implied as well, being gone?' My theory is that by the "time" of the War, Susan has well and truly eloped from Earth. She'd be too much of a target and with no real ties keeping her behind, it's unlikely that she'd commit to staying and keeping these people in danger. Particularly given what happened in the latter years of her life. Where exactly she has gone is a bit of a mystery though, maybe to one of the old Gallifreyan colony worlds like Dronid or a power like the Third Zone that seem to have good ties with the Time Lords? There's an image -- an aged Time Lady aboard a rocket ship on course for who-knows-here with a Dalek assassination squad possibly dogging her trail.
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Post by jasonward on Jul 30, 2016 2:26:20 GMT
Beyond the need to have a story that works to integrate her into the new show, is there any reason Susan should not reappear?
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Post by barnabaslives on Jul 30, 2016 2:32:28 GMT
I think the most interesting way to do it would be for Ford to return as Susan and then surprise the audience with a regeneration at some point in the story. Agreed, I think it would be wrong somehow if Carole Ann Ford wasn't offered the role first, and if a recasting were somehow required there could be a regeneration involved. I'm all for NS guest appearances by classic cast (as long as they don't end up as Cybermen). :-)
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Post by agentten on Jul 30, 2016 3:52:13 GMT
I'd also be interesting in checking in with Susan's life on Earth. I think the most interesting way to do it would be for Ford to return as Susan and then surprise the audience with a regeneration at some point in the story. But then you'd run into the brick wall of 'if Susan was still on Earth all this time, why did the Doctor spend so long moping about all of his own kind, with her very much implied as well, being gone?' I was thinking of Earth as a starting point for catching up with her, perhaps through some flashbacks that catch the audience up on what she's been up to. You're right, though, she can't remain on Earth after the Time War. Anything could have happened, really. She could have somehow been drafted into the Time War by the Time Lords and was banished along with Gallifrey, thus making the War Doctor's original decision all the more painful.
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Post by shutupbanks on Jul 30, 2016 14:37:44 GMT
Yes, she should.
The Doctor simply hadn't been back to see her since the Time War because he was ashamed to face her with what he thought was the blood of all Gallifrey on his hands. Then, when he felt comfortable about seeing her and explaining what had happened, the Daleks were once again a proper threat and he didn't feel that he could expose her and a healing 22nd-century Earth to Dalek attack again.
Alternatively, he may have done so much changing of history that her timeline has now been completely wiped out and he simply can't find her.
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Post by muckypup on Jul 30, 2016 15:01:08 GMT
why has Susan never regenerated? across all space and time there must be a post regenerated Susan's.
I would love a resentful Susan to track down the doctor.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jul 30, 2016 15:11:40 GMT
As long as the events of An Earthly Child through to To the Death are referenced, even covertly, then bringing her back is only a problem until you find a reason to explain many of the valid questions above. Not referencing AEC etc, or rather deliberately overwriting them, would be a mistake.
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Post by constonks on Jul 30, 2016 16:47:30 GMT
I'd be good to have Carole Ann Ford come back for an episode, regenerate at the end, and get on-board the TARDIS at the end. As long as they don't overwrite the BF stuff by saying the Doctor never went back for Susan. Unless it deliberately was that because of the Time War, Susan's entire future was ripped away from her. Like she had children and remembers them, but they're gone now, erased from time.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jul 30, 2016 17:07:06 GMT
I'd be good to have Carole Ann Ford come back for an episode, regenerate at the end, and get on-board the TARDIS at the end. As long as they don't overwrite the BF stuff by saying the Doctor never went back for Susan. Unless it deliberately was that because of the Time War, Susan's entire future was ripped away from her. Like she had children and remembers them, but they're gone now, erased from time. The inherent danger is how do you make that resonate with an audience not already familiar with BF? Stuff like To The Death, Alex and whatnot would basically mean nothing to them without some lumpy exposition throw in, and that's a pacing killer.
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Post by jasonward on Jul 30, 2016 17:07:57 GMT
why has Susan never regenerated? across all space and time there must be a post regenerated Susan's. I would love a resentful Susan to track down the doctor. Unless you break BF cannon, a resentful Susan would need something major and different from what we've heard so far from her in order to be resentful, from everything I've heard from Susan in BF's stories she's been well adjusted to what happened and still adoring of The Doctor.
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Post by constonks on Jul 30, 2016 18:24:23 GMT
I'd be good to have Carole Ann Ford come back for an episode, regenerate at the end, and get on-board the TARDIS at the end. As long as they don't overwrite the BF stuff by saying the Doctor never went back for Susan. Unless it deliberately was that because of the Time War, Susan's entire future was ripped away from her. Like she had children and remembers them, but they're gone now, erased from time. The inherent danger is how do you make that resonate with an audience not already familiar with BF? Stuff like To The Death, Alex and whatnot would basically mean nothing to them without some lumpy exposition throw in, and that's a pacing killer. It would be difficult, yeah. You can always just do the easier "The Daleks killed my son" as the reason she joined the Time War. It sounds like it's Time War related, but it has a deeper EU meaning.
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Post by muckypup on Jul 30, 2016 22:43:06 GMT
why has Susan never regenerated? across all space and time there must be a post regenerated Susan's. I would love a resentful Susan to track down the doctor. Unless you break BF cannon, a resentful Susan would need something major and different from what we've heard so far from her in order to be resentful, from everything I've heard from Susan in BF's stories she's been well adjusted to what happened and still adoring of The Doctor. After losing Alex I mean, she left the doctor in not the best of circumstances
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 23:37:49 GMT
Unless you break BF cannon, a resentful Susan would need something major and different from what we've heard so far from her in order to be resentful, from everything I've heard from Susan in BF's stories she's been well adjusted to what happened and still adoring of The Doctor. After losing Alex I mean, she left the doctor in not the best of circumstances Oh, actually, that reminds me. Straxus implied that Susan somehow managed to contact the Time Lords (perhaps through a hypercube?) in order to prevent him from doing something particularly brutish and self-destructive. Considering their attitude towards renegades, it could mean that she was returned to Gallifrey and reintegrated back into their society or was maybe seconded into the Celestial Intervention Agency as an agent.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2016 6:05:10 GMT
The inherent danger is how do you make that resonate with an audience not already familiar with BF? Stuff like To The Death, Alex and whatnot would basically mean nothing to them without some lumpy exposition throw in, and that's a pacing killer. It would be difficult, yeah. You can always just do the easier "The Daleks killed my son" as the reason she joined the Time War. It sounds like it's Time War related, but it has a deeper EU meaning. That's probably as far as the BBC could go. Their charter doesn't allow them to make commercial products important backstory.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jul 31, 2016 13:50:20 GMT
I've always thought Susan should return. There's so much untapped potential to explore there. How does Susan feel about the Doctor never returning to her as promised? She won't remember the events of The Five Doctors but even so the eighth Doctor in the Big Finish stories was still five incarnations' ago. A long time to go without visiting family.
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