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Post by icecreamdf on Jan 4, 2017 20:38:24 GMT
It would be just plain awesome to hear Rowan Atkinson. I wonder if BF ever considered doing Blackadder... That would be amazing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 22:08:00 GMT
It's not obvious at all and Nick's most recent comments suggest it is proving difficult, yet somehow neither Tennant nor Smith get the same resentment as Eccleston seems to be receiving. Actually I think our best chance of a further release with Ten is for him to guest on one disc of a four-disc Jenny release. I don't see why it would be so difficult though. It seems more like trying to keep a volume two secret by creating a sense of unsurety. I'd rather they just announced it, even if it were like Classic Doctors, New Monsters Volume 2 where no release date is given. David Tennant and Matt Smith don't get the same resentment from people because they openly accept their roles as incarnations of the Doctor rather than trying not to talk about it. I think a lot of us would be less resenting towards Christopher Eccleston if he didn't give off the impression that he associates his incarnation of the Doctor with his negative experiences on-set. Most of the time when Doctor Who is mentioned to him in interviews he brings up his on-set problems, when it would be nicer to see him speak more positively about playing the character (because there must have been some positivity). I've just written and deleted a very long post that might have got me moderated because I don't want to spoil the tone of this forum. Nobody is going to persuade you from your view so I'm not going to try any more. I'll stay away from this thread in future.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 23:09:29 GMT
David Tennant is a fan of Doctor Who so his future involvement is more a labour of love, it was just a acting job to Chris but he should've known taking on a high profile role gains attention. Not a big Ninth Doctor fan so his current non involvement don't bother me. I've not seen anyone suggest, or any evidence, that Chris didn't know it was going to be a role that would bring lots of attention. He's been one of the UK's most prominent actors for a quarter century, long before Doctor Who, so I'm sure he was fine with being a public figure - since he already was. He'd been in Let Him Have It, Shallow Grave, Our Friends In The North, Hillsborough, Jude and Cracker - most of which got a heck of a lot of buzz, awards, viewers and press. When announced as The Doctor he'd also just made The Second Coming with RTD - which was very controversial and scrutinized heavily in the media - so I don't think he was a stranger to intense publicity. I just don't think he's one for the ancillary treatment fans expect from Doctors. Bobod made the point - the actors get paid to do the episodes in their contract. Anything more is an entirely personal choice. It's a peculiarity of Who fandom. We don't see stars of a lot of other franchises getting hassle for not wanting to go back to their roles over a decade on. The show, when searching for the right man in 2004, needed an established star to get back on the air the next year. It couldn't have been Tennant - he wasn't on that level yet. Eccleston had a rep for prestige drama and quality work on TV, film and stage. He gave as much to the show as it did to him, maybe more. He, and the immensely successful RTD, gave the show legitimacy. You can't buy that regardless of whether or not your lead actor is an uber-fan. Their names alone being attached made some people's ears perk up and take notice who wouldn't have done with "lesser" names. That's why RTD was thinking of men like Eccleston, Bill Nighy and Hugh Grant. It had to be someone with cred. I guarantee you RTD, Jane Tranter, Julie Gardner or anyone at the BBC didn't think twice about "Well, will he want to do the convention circuit and the audio dramas?" before casting him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 23:12:33 GMT
Well, there is also Titan. Titan are doing excellent work with the Ninth Doctor -particualrly loving the current UNIT arc, again stuff stretching beyond the TV era of 2005
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Post by rawlinsonend on Jan 5, 2017 0:05:40 GMT
I think Eccleston does seem proud of the role. There was that moment a few months back when he was being interviewed by a young boy with autism who was talking about Doctor Who and Ecc' got a bit teary and said something like "You were one of mine." and there was also the video he sent to the boy (I think) in hospital.
Also, not sure if anyone else knows where this interview was, but I have a feeling it might be on the dvd extras for Our Friends in the North. In it he was quite dismissive of soap operas, because he felt that characters have a natural life span and soap operas artificially increase that life span. Given his reluctance to do recurring major roles it's not too much of a stretch to think he might hold that as true about his own roles and that while it was sad his time as The Doctor was short, that he would have nothing more to give to the role or feel that his take on The Doctor reached an end and doesn't really want to step back into it.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jan 5, 2017 1:57:53 GMT
David Tennant is a fan of Doctor Who so his future involvement is more a labour of love, it was just a acting job to Chris but he should've known taking on a high profile role gains attention. Not a big Ninth Doctor fan so his current non involvement don't bother me. I've not seen anyone suggest, or any evidence, that Chris didn't know it was going to be a role that would bring lots of attention. He's been one of the UK's most prominent actors for a quarter century, long before Doctor Who, so I'm sure he was fine with being a public figure - since he already was. He'd been in Let Him Have It, Shallow Grave, Our Friends In The North, Hillsborough, Jude and Cracker - most of which got a heck of a lot of buzz, awards, viewers and press. When announced as The Doctor he'd also just made The Second Coming with RTD - which was very controversial and scrutinized heavily in the media - so I don't think he was a stranger to intense publicity. I just don't think he's one for the ancillary treatment fans expect from Doctors. Bobod made the point - the actors get paid to do the episodes in their contract. Anything more is an entirely personal choice. It's a peculiarity of Who fandom. We don't see stars of a lot of other franchises getting hassle for not wanting to go back to their roles over a decade on. The show, when searching for the right man in 2004, needed an established star to get back on the air the next year. It couldn't have been Tennant - he wasn't on that level yet. Eccleston had a rep for prestige drama and quality work on TV, film and stage. He gave as much to the show as it did to him, maybe more. He, and the immensely successful RTD, gave the show legitimacy. You can't buy that regardless of whether or not your lead actor is an uber-fan. Their names alone being attached made some people's ears perk up and take notice who wouldn't have done with "lesser" names. That's why RTD was thinking of men like Eccleston, Bill Nighy and Hugh Grant. It had to be someone with cred. I guarantee you RTD, Jane Tranter, Julie Gardner or anyone at the BBC didn't think twice about "Well, will he want to do the convention circuit and the audio dramas?" before casting him. Big is an understatement. Let's not forget that, back in 05, BF and the novels were catering to a niche. Who, to the public at large, was a complete joke, a show that was the butt of every other sketch show that lampooned homegrown sci-fi. Chris and RTD gave the show legitimacy and relevance, revived the Saturday Night line up, brought genre television back to British tv after nearly two decades of drought and imports, and even threw in some pushes for LGBT in mainstream family TV. Chris resold the role of The Doctor as one that mattered artistically, and said it was okay for prestige talent to come onboard what is, ostensibly, family adventure stories. We'd never have gotten Simm, Jacobi, Dalton, Gambon, McKellen, Sheen, Hurt or Suchet if Chris hadn't paved the way.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jan 5, 2017 2:01:05 GMT
Don't be shocked if it's until another decade or two before Eccleston decides to fully dive in. He has the full right to take his career in any direction he pleases. Big Finish isn't going anywhere anytime soon, so that door will remain open. I don't think anybody will be shocked if it is, just very disappointed and let-down again by Christopher Eccleston's refusal to return. I have nothing against the guy, I just wish he was more like David Tennant and Matt Smith in that they act as ambassadors towards the show whilst Mr Eccleston either acts like he'd rather not be associated with it or talks about how he wished he stayed longer but never actually acts on that impulse. There's obviously going to be a 10DA Volume 2. I wish they'd just hurry up and announce it. Seriously, Big Finish: we all know it'll be in the pipeline so put us out of our misery and allow us to pre-order it! But Tennant and Smith cane into it knowing they'd need to be ambassadors (... * TWANG* of Death) for the show, while for all Eccleston knew, it was a 13 episode gig in some science fantasy show that'd fall out of public attention within six months of the last episode airing.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jan 5, 2017 6:57:10 GMT
Eccleston is by far my favorite of the new series doctors, and it's a shame he hasn't done anything with BF...
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 5, 2017 11:19:18 GMT
I don't think anybody will be shocked if it is, just very disappointed and let-down again by Christopher Eccleston's refusal to return. I have nothing against the guy, I just wish he was more like David Tennant and Matt Smith in that they act as ambassadors towards the show whilst Mr Eccleston either acts like he'd rather not be associated with it or talks about how he wished he stayed longer but never actually acts on that impulse. There's obviously going to be a 10DA Volume 2. I wish they'd just hurry up and announce it. Seriously, Big Finish: we all know it'll be in the pipeline so put us out of our misery and allow us to pre-order it! But Tennant and Smith cane into it knowing they'd need to be ambassadors (... * TWANG* of Death) for the show, while for all Eccleston knew, it was a 13 episode gig in some science fantasy show that'd fall out of public attention within six months of the last episode airing. True, but like everything it was made with the intention of success.
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Post by omega on Jan 5, 2017 11:33:23 GMT
But Tennant and Smith cane into it knowing they'd need to be ambassadors (... * TWANG* of Death) for the show, while for all Eccleston knew, it was a 13 episode gig in some science fantasy show that'd fall out of public attention within six months of the last episode airing. True, but like everything it was made with the intention of success.The 2013 CW version of The Tomorrow People was made with the intention of success. So why isn't Robbie Amell doing the convention circuits once a year for it? Oh yeah, it was cancelled after one season. Kind of a shame if you cast for convention personality over acting ability and end up cancelled. If someone else had been cast as the Ninth Doctor and put in a lacking performance, the 2005 series may have only been those 13 episodes instead of the ten plus years we have got.
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Post by xlozdob on Jan 5, 2017 13:09:20 GMT
I'd be open to that if it explained where his Doctor would fit in within the show's canon. Just do it as Unbound and let it be more comedic. Atkinson is great. Maybe a boxset, and get Moffat to write one or two of the stories? Maybe in a few years time, when he's willing to involve himself in something DW again?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 13:16:47 GMT
I'd be open to that if it explained where his Doctor would fit in within the show's canon. Just do it as Unbound and let it be more comedic. Atkinson is great. So, before The Curse of Fatal Death we'd have... Hmm... The Continuity of Errors? The Blaggard of Woe?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 5, 2017 16:13:51 GMT
True, but like everything it was made with the intention of success. The 2013 CW version of The Tomorrow People was made with the intention of success. So why isn't Robbie Amell doing the convention circuits once a year for it? Oh yeah, it was cancelled after one season. Kind of a shame if you cast for convention personality over acting ability and end up cancelled. If someone else had been cast as the Ninth Doctor and put in a lacking performance, the 2005 series may have only been those 13 episodes instead of the ten plus years we have got. Robbie Amell would have been prepared for fans demanding his future return though.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jan 5, 2017 19:11:06 GMT
Just do it as Unbound and let it be more comedic. Atkinson is great. So, before The Curse of Fatal Death we'd have... Hmm... The Continuity of Errors? The Blaggard of Woe? Because we all know how much Doctor Who fans just LOVE comedy in the show. I think it would be great but that is just me. And you & you.
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Post by rawlinsonend on Jan 5, 2017 23:14:23 GMT
The 2013 CW version of The Tomorrow People was made with the intention of success. So why isn't Robbie Amell doing the convention circuits once a year for it? Oh yeah, it was cancelled after one season. Kind of a shame if you cast for convention personality over acting ability and end up cancelled. If someone else had been cast as the Ninth Doctor and put in a lacking performance, the 2005 series may have only been those 13 episodes instead of the ten plus years we have got. Robbie Amell would have been prepared for fans demanding his future return though. Yeah, but even if that's true it still doesn't mean any actor should feel obliged to go back to an old role just to keep fans happy. People have a tendency to freeze an actor into the kind of role that they enjoy most when for the actor in question it's often just been another job. Ultimately no actor owes the fans anything more than giving the best performance they can in that film, show or play. So while I'm sure Eccleston is deeply touched by how much his time as The Doctor meant to fans, he shouldn't ever have to feel obliged to do a convention or to return to the part on television or audio.
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Post by mrperson on Jan 6, 2017 0:41:01 GMT
Just do it as Unbound and let it be more comedic. Atkinson is great. Maybe a boxset, and get Moffat to write one or two of the stories? Maybe in a few years time, when he's willing to involve himself in something DW again? Sure, why not. I don't like his attempts at arcs, but he's good with humour and individual episodes. Bring Atkinson and Moffat in for some Unbound absurdity, and let 'er rip...
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Post by mrperson on Jan 6, 2017 0:43:28 GMT
So, before The Curse of Fatal Death we'd have... Hmm... The Continuity of Errors? The Blaggard of Woe? Because we all know how much Doctor Who fans just LOVE comedy in the show. I think it would be great but that is just me. And you & you. For my part, I appreciate well placed lines, but not "WACKY!" absurdity in the main TV show or in BF. BF is better about the humor, imo, but I'm very biased in their direction these days. I'm not sure what word I'm looking for, but basically, I don't want there to be some kind of running kitchy (or cheesy, or panto, or "take the piss out", etc) humor in every episode. "The One Doctor" is a great exception. Whole thing cracked me up and it didn't bother me, since it was a one-off. Hence my suggestion of the unbound take. It doesn't have to be the main thing, but I'd love to hear hilarious takes on Who with Atkinson in Unbound. I wouldn't want to in the MR. It just doesn't jive with stuff like Peterloo.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jan 6, 2017 0:50:05 GMT
Because we all know how much Doctor Who fans just LOVE comedy in the show. I think it would be great but that is just me. And you & you. For my part, I appreciate well placed lines, but not "WACKY!" absurdity in the main TV show or in BF. BF is better about the humor, imo, but I'm very biased in their direction these days. I'm not sure what word I'm looking for, but basically, I don't want there to be some kind of running kitchy (or cheesy, or panto, or "take the piss out", etc) humor in every episode. "The One Doctor" is a great exception. Whole thing cracked me up and it didn't bother me, since it was a one-off. Hence my suggestion of the unbound take. It doesn't have to be the main thing, but I'd love to hear hilarious takes on Who with Atkinson in Unbound. I wouldn't want to in the MR. It just doesn't jive with stuff like Peterloo. I get that and I respect that. People always talk about how the format of Who allows the show to be something different episode to episode and serial to serial. So why not a comedy? And this isn't directed at anybody in particular but it seems like nothing gets a certain section of Who fandom in a lather than when the show proper or BF go down a lighter path. Anyway, I'd love an Unbound take on the RA Doctor, be it a box set or a single disc.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 0:59:42 GMT
So, before The Curse of Fatal Death we'd have... Hmm... The Continuity of Errors? The Blaggard of Woe? Because we all know how much Doctor Who fans just LOVE comedy in the show. I think it would be great but that is just me. And you & you. I like a little comedy in my Doctor Who. The One Doctor... The Pirates... Not an ocean of it though. Comedy is much, much more subjective than drama and more than half of the time, it just doesn't hit its mark. I'm not just talking about the Moffat era here either, The Heroes of Sontar is a marvellous story by Alan Barnes where a lot of the jokes just make me feel awkward. When it's not funny... Well, it's not funny and there's nothing that can really be done about that as a viewer/listener. Still, Rowan Atkinson meet Nev Fountain. Nev Fountain meet Rowan Atkinson. Go nuts.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jan 6, 2017 1:55:22 GMT
Because we all know how much Doctor Who fans just LOVE comedy in the show. I think it would be great but that is just me. And you & you. I like a little comedy in my Doctor Who. The One Doctor... The Pirates... Not an ocean of it though. Comedy is much, much more subjective than drama and more than half of the time, it just doesn't hit its mark. I'm not just talking about the Moffat era here either, The Heroes of Sontar is a marvellous story by Alan Barnes where a lot of the jokes just make me feel awkward. When it's not funny... Well, it's not funny and there's nothing that can really be done about that as a viewer/listener. Still, Rowan Atkinson meet Nev Fountain. Nev Fountain meet Rowan Atkinson. Go nuts. Or Eddie Robson.
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