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Post by bohnny on Jul 21, 2017 12:14:12 GMT
Perhaps then, you could be more specific in your generalisations in future? To be fair, he did say 'the more sexist trolls' so he was already making a qualification himself, and as for 'whiny fans'... well there are definitely are some online who are whining as opposed to just expressing fears/worries/concerns. Exactly. He was entirely clear who he was talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 12:39:07 GMT
'Whiny fans who hate the idea of a female Doctor' seems a bit of a generalisation to me, and doesn't seem clearly to be directed at abusive twitter users as explained later on. But hey-ho.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 12:45:49 GMT
'Whiny fans who hate the idea of a female Doctor' seems a bit of a generalisation to me, and doesn't seem clearly to be directed at abusive twitter users as explained later on. But hey-ho. Yeah, clarity definitely seems important in this topic more than anything else. "Whiny" could mean anyone and is a loaded word, "abusive" is very specific and a lot more clinical by comparison. Phew. Good that my English Major is paying off in what might be the most unexpected way possible...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 14:01:08 GMT
Bit odd that we don't have a packshot for this, isn't it?
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Jul 21, 2017 14:31:47 GMT
Bit odd that we don't have a packshot for this, isn't it? There's one in dwm and on the website It's 3 monsters and 4 doctors One monster is in 2 stories
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Post by aztec on Jul 21, 2017 15:12:49 GMT
I hope this box set is the end of the sectioning off of Classic/New. I would much rather have the elements pop up in any range. Like the mention of The Shadow Proclomation in 'How to Win Planets and Influence People'. I'm in two minds about that, whilst there isn't a barrier between Old and New who in my eyes and I'm all for the various eras crossing over/referencing each other, I also like that the Monthly Range is (often) quite nostalgic and traditional carving off it's own corner of the Whoniverse for old fans, I'm not so sure it would be right to force the new series elements on BF customers who don't want them, fans who in many cases have been supporting Bf since the beginning partly because of the nostalgic ties to the Classic series, I kinda think there should be at least once range kept 'pure' as it were and the monthly range would perhaps be best suited for it. That said I do like the frequently mentioned idea of having the 2nd Doctor encounter the Weeping Angels...
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Post by Ela on Jul 21, 2017 15:23:13 GMT
I'd prefer to let the Abzorbaloff fade away into the mists of time, frankly. Absolutely. No more Abzorbaloff.
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Post by Ela on Jul 21, 2017 15:24:54 GMT
There will probably be at least one scene in a 13th Doctor episode where they poke fun at whiny fans who hate the idea of a female Doctor. I hope not, I don't think that would be very sensible of them. Better not to acknowledge it and move fo'ward Cheers Tony Yeah, no jokes or stupid gags about female Doctors.
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Post by Bazoolium on Jul 21, 2017 15:35:46 GMT
I hope this box set is the end of the sectioning off of Classic/New. I would much rather have the elements pop up in any range. Like the mention of The Shadow Proclomation in 'How to Win Planets and Influence People'. I'm in two minds about that, whilst there isn't a barrier between Old and New who in my eyes and I'm all for the various eras crossing over/referencing each other, I also like that the Monthly Range is (often) quite nostalgic and traditional carving off it's own corner of the Whoniverse for old fans, I'm not so sure it would be right to force the new series elements on BF customers who don't want them, fans who in many cases have been supporting Bf since the beginning partly because of the nostalgic ties to the Classic series, I kinda think there should be at least once range kept 'pure' as it were and the monthly range would perhaps be best suited for it. That said I do like the frequently mentioned idea of having the 2nd Doctor encounter the Weeping Angels... I understand that, but can you honestly say that the nostalgia release are the best of the range? Personally I find the titles that introduce new element or improve on the old are the ones that I find most appealing. I don't think anyone in their right mind wants a 'nostalgic' Sixth Doctor story.
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Post by aztec on Jul 21, 2017 15:52:28 GMT
I'm in two minds about that, whilst there isn't a barrier between Old and New who in my eyes and I'm all for the various eras crossing over/referencing each other, I also like that the Monthly Range is (often) quite nostalgic and traditional carving off it's own corner of the Whoniverse for old fans, I'm not so sure it would be right to force the new series elements on BF customers who don't want them, fans who in many cases have been supporting Bf since the beginning partly because of the nostalgic ties to the Classic series, I kinda think there should be at least once range kept 'pure' as it were and the monthly range would perhaps be best suited for it. That said I do like the frequently mentioned idea of having the 2nd Doctor encounter the Weeping Angels... I don't think anyone in their right mind wants a 'nostalgic' Sixth Doctor story. Outside the 8th Doctor MR stories I have a random scattering of the 5th,6th and 7th Doctor ones and many have been enjoyable, Colin's a great actor and very enjoyable to listen to...but honestly I sometimes miss the arrogance, rude pomposity and bluster of the TV 6th Doctor (though not the storylines themselves), granted I've not actually seen an entire 6th Doctor serial, merely bits and pieces of different episodes but I sometimes feel BF essentially binned his TV characterization and rather than mellowing him out gradually they skipped much later in the timline, he seems to have morphed into more a of cuddly Father Christmas type figure from the start (even in the Lost Stories), obviously it works and is enjoyable to listen to, but it sometimes feels a bit too cuddly and generic, the Doctor is an endearing figure to me in part because of the flaws and the BF stories I've listened too rarely address those of the 6th Doctor...
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Post by dasmaniac on Jul 21, 2017 18:40:49 GMT
I hope this box set is the end of the sectioning off of Classic/New. I would much rather have the elements pop up in any range. Like the mention of The Shadow Proclomation in 'How to Win Planets and Influence People'. I'm in two minds about that, whilst there isn't a barrier between Old and New who in my eyes and I'm all for the various eras crossing over/referencing each other, I also like that the Monthly Range is (often) quite nostalgic and traditional carving off it's own corner of the Whoniverse for old fans, I'm not so sure it would be right to force the new series elements on BF customers who don't want them, fans who in many cases have been supporting Bf since the beginning partly because of the nostalgic ties to the Classic series, I kinda think there should be at least once range kept 'pure' as it were and the monthly range would perhaps be best suited for it. That said I do like the frequently mentioned idea of having the 2nd Doctor encounter the Weeping Angels... I think the Angels would fit more with the First Doctor. They fit better with that "universe is mysterious" theme of the First Doctor era.
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Post by omega on Jul 21, 2017 19:46:02 GMT
I hope not, I don't think that would be very sensible of them. Better not to acknowledge it and move fo'ward Cheers Tony Yeah, no jokes or stupid gags about female Doctors. But the Etheric beam locators!
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Post by kinghumble on Jul 21, 2017 20:00:14 GMT
I hope this box set is the end of the sectioning off of Classic/New. I would much rather have the elements pop up in any range. Like the mention of The Shadow Proclomation in 'How to Win Planets and Influence People'. I'm in two minds about that, whilst there isn't a barrier between Old and New who in my eyes and I'm all for the various eras crossing over/referencing each other, I also like that the Monthly Range is (often) quite nostalgic and traditional carving off it's own corner of the Whoniverse for old fans, I'm not so sure it would be right to force the new series elements on BF customers who don't want them, fans who in many cases have been supporting Bf since the beginning partly because of the nostalgic ties to the Classic series, I kinda think there should be at least once range kept 'pure' as it were and the monthly range would perhaps be best suited for it. That said I do like the frequently mentioned idea of having the 2nd Doctor encounter the Weeping Angels... Yeah, I'm a bit of two minds myself, though not so much for nostalgic reasons. For me, I do kinda feel that everything post-Time War should be isolated from everything pre-Time War, barring major space-time catastrophies that allow the rules - the Time-Lock - to be broken (like that temporal vortex in The Diary of River Song, volume Two) The way that River popped in and out of Doom Coalition bothered me; I've only listened to it once and so maybe I missed an important detail, but the fact that she kept on randomly meeting pre-Time War Gallifreyans seemed to imply that the 9th, 10th, and 11th Doctors could have done so as well? Like, whenever they got lonesome they could have jumped to a planet where pre-Time War Gallifreyans had a survey expedition or whatever, and thereby gotten a taste of the old culture? Since the Doctor never had that option, it would seem that all pre-Time War Gallifreyans, anywhere in existence, were also isolated by the Time Lock? It does seem to make sense to me, in-continuity, that events (and creatures created by events) that are Time War related or that specifically come from the post-Time War universe should be isolated away from the pre-Time War universe, by virtue of the Time-Lock... But that still leaves a load of New Who monsters that could be argued to have existed pre-Time War, such as the Judoon, Vashta Narada, Weeping Angels, and others. Wow... I'm over-geeking this, aren't I?
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Post by Bazoolium on Jul 21, 2017 20:04:30 GMT
Wow... I'm over-geeking this, aren't I? This is a forum for Audio Dramas based on a TV series that is over 50 years old. I don't think that's possible.
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Post by sherlock on Jul 21, 2017 20:37:02 GMT
I'm in two minds about that, whilst there isn't a barrier between Old and New who in my eyes and I'm all for the various eras crossing over/referencing each other, I also like that the Monthly Range is (often) quite nostalgic and traditional carving off it's own corner of the Whoniverse for old fans, I'm not so sure it would be right to force the new series elements on BF customers who don't want them, fans who in many cases have been supporting Bf since the beginning partly because of the nostalgic ties to the Classic series, I kinda think there should be at least once range kept 'pure' as it were and the monthly range would perhaps be best suited for it. That said I do like the frequently mentioned idea of having the 2nd Doctor encounter the Weeping Angels... Yeah, I'm a bit of two minds myself, though not so much for nostalgic reasons. For me, I do kinda feel that everything post-Time War should be isolated from everything pre-Time War, barring major space-time catastrophies that allow the rules - the Time-Lock - to be broken (like that temporal vortex in The Diary of River Song, volume Two) The way that River popped in and out of Doom Coalition bothered me; I've only listened to it once and so maybe I missed an important detail, but the fact that she kept on randomly meeting pre-Time War Gallifreyans seemed to imply that the 9th, 10th, and 11th Doctors could have done so as well? Like, whenever they got lonesome they could have jumped to a planet where pre-Time War Gallifreyans had a survey expedition or whatever, and thereby gotten a taste of the old culture? Since the Doctor never had that option, it would seem that all pre-Time War Gallifreyans, anywhere in existence, were also isolated by the Time Lock? It does seem to make sense to me, in-continuity, that events (and creatures created by events) that are Time War related or that specifically come from the post-Time War universe should be isolated away from the pre-Time War universe, by virtue of the Time-Lock... But that still leaves a load of New Who monsters that could be argued to have existed pre-Time War, such as the Judoon, Vashta Narada, Weeping Angels, and others. Wow... I'm over-geeking this, aren't I? Theoretically I think it's entirely possible a new series Doctor could bump into a pre-Time War Time Lord. I think it's more the Doctor chooses not to actively seek out any Time Lords as it would be too painful to meet them, and knowing the consequences to history he wouldn't be able to give them any advance warning. Given the Time Lords' non-interference policy the amount of Time Lords off Gallifrey prior to the Time War was tiny anyway, so it's pretty unlikely the Doctor would bump into them. I think it's merely the actual events of the Time War that are timelocked and thus inaccessible, so presumably a lot of random planets have inaccessible bits of their history when Time Lords and Daleks fought over them. I'm actually worn out from that over-geeking, how do the TARDIS wiki editors cope?
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Post by constonks on Jul 21, 2017 21:10:21 GMT
Yeah, I'm a bit of two minds myself, though not so much for nostalgic reasons. For me, I do kinda feel that everything post-Time War should be isolated from everything pre-Time War, barring major space-time catastrophies that allow the rules - the Time-Lock - to be broken (like that temporal vortex in The Diary of River Song, volume Two) The way that River popped in and out of Doom Coalition bothered me; I've only listened to it once and so maybe I missed an important detail, but the fact that she kept on randomly meeting pre-Time War Gallifreyans seemed to imply that the 9th, 10th, and 11th Doctors could have done so as well? Like, whenever they got lonesome they could have jumped to a planet where pre-Time War Gallifreyans had a survey expedition or whatever, and thereby gotten a taste of the old culture? Since the Doctor never had that option, it would seem that all pre-Time War Gallifreyans, anywhere in existence, were also isolated by the Time Lock? It does seem to make sense to me, in-continuity, that events (and creatures created by events) that are Time War related or that specifically come from the post-Time War universe should be isolated away from the pre-Time War universe, by virtue of the Time-Lock... But that still leaves a load of New Who monsters that could be argued to have existed pre-Time War, such as the Judoon, Vashta Narada, Weeping Angels, and others. Wow... I'm over-geeking this, aren't I? Theoretically I think it's entirely possible a new series Doctor could bump into a pre-Time War Time Lord. I think it's more the Doctor chooses not to actively seek out any Time Lords as it would be too painful to meet them, and knowing the consequences to history he wouldn't be able to give them any advance warning. Given the Time Lords' non-interference policy the amount of Time Lords off Gallifrey prior to the Time War was tiny anyway, so it's pretty unlikely the Doctor would bump into them. I think it's merely the actual events of the Time War that are timelocked and thus inaccessible, so presumably a lot of random planets have inaccessible bits of their history when Time Lords and Daleks fought over them. I'm actually worn out from that over-geeking, how do the TARDIS wiki editors cope? The post-War Doctor has met pre-War Gallifreyans now and again in comics and short stories and (if we count other Doctors) on TV! My thought is that either: There is a time lock, but it doesn't work 100% of them time. OR The reason it's rare is the same old reason that the Doctor and Master roughly met each other in order, and the Doctor visited Gallifrey in order with only a couple exceptions. Anything else would be "illegal", either according to scientific laws of the physical/temporal universe, or Gallifreyan rules (The First Law of Time).
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Post by kinghumble on Jul 21, 2017 23:17:24 GMT
Yeah, I'm a bit of two minds myself, though not so much for nostalgic reasons. For me, I do kinda feel that everything post-Time War should be isolated from everything pre-Time War, barring major space-time catastrophies that allow the rules - the Time-Lock - to be broken (like that temporal vortex in The Diary of River Song, volume Two) The way that River popped in and out of Doom Coalition bothered me; I've only listened to it once and so maybe I missed an important detail, but the fact that she kept on randomly meeting pre-Time War Gallifreyans seemed to imply that the 9th, 10th, and 11th Doctors could have done so as well? Like, whenever they got lonesome they could have jumped to a planet where pre-Time War Gallifreyans had a survey expedition or whatever, and thereby gotten a taste of the old culture? Since the Doctor never had that option, it would seem that all pre-Time War Gallifreyans, anywhere in existence, were also isolated by the Time Lock? It does seem to make sense to me, in-continuity, that events (and creatures created by events) that are Time War related or that specifically come from the post-Time War universe should be isolated away from the pre-Time War universe, by virtue of the Time-Lock... But that still leaves a load of New Who monsters that could be argued to have existed pre-Time War, such as the Judoon, Vashta Narada, Weeping Angels, and others. Wow... I'm over-geeking this, aren't I? Theoretically I think it's entirely possible a new series Doctor could bump into a pre-Time War Time Lord. I think it's more the Doctor chooses not to actively seek out any Time Lords as it would be too painful to meet them, and knowing the consequences to history he wouldn't be able to give them any advance warning. Given the Time Lords' non-interference policy the amount of Time Lords off Gallifrey prior to the Time War was tiny anyway, so it's pretty unlikely the Doctor would bump into them. I think it's merely the actual events of the Time War that are timelocked and thus inaccessible, so presumably a lot of random planets have inaccessible bits of their history when Time Lords and Daleks fought over them. I'm actually worn out from that over-geeking, how do the TARDIS wiki editors cope? I definitely think your description matches the evidence best, though I find it a bit... inelegant. Ah well, it's for the best; if I were in charge every episode would just be the Doctor giving a lecture on the philosophy of time travel while eating tuna sandwiches.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Jul 22, 2017 4:05:28 GMT
Theoretically I think it's entirely possible a new series Doctor could bump into a pre-Time War Time Lord. I think it's more the Doctor chooses not to actively seek out any Time Lords as it would be too painful to meet them, and knowing the consequences to history he wouldn't be able to give them any advance warning. Given the Time Lords' non-interference policy the amount of Time Lords off Gallifrey prior to the Time War was tiny anyway, so it's pretty unlikely the Doctor would bump into them. I think it's merely the actual events of the Time War that are timelocked and thus inaccessible, so presumably a lot of random planets have inaccessible bits of their history when Time Lords and Daleks fought over them. I'm actually worn out from that over-geeking, how do the TARDIS wiki editors cope? The post-War Doctor has met pre-War Gallifreyans now and again in comics and short stories and (if we count other Doctors) on TV! My thought is that either: There is a time lock, but it doesn't work 100% of them time. OR The reason it's rare is the same old reason that the Doctor and Master roughly met each other in order, and the Doctor visited Gallifrey in order with only a couple exceptions. Anything else would be "illegal", either according to scientific laws of the physical/temporal universe, or Gallifreyan rules (The First Law of Time). I think it's the second. The laws don't apply to River because she isn't an actual Time Lord, just an attempt at making one, hence her out-of-order meetings with the Doctor.
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Post by icecreamdf on Jul 22, 2017 5:06:05 GMT
Yeah, I'm a bit of two minds myself, though not so much for nostalgic reasons. For me, I do kinda feel that everything post-Time War should be isolated from everything pre-Time War, barring major space-time catastrophies that allow the rules - the Time-Lock - to be broken (like that temporal vortex in The Diary of River Song, volume Two) The way that River popped in and out of Doom Coalition bothered me; I've only listened to it once and so maybe I missed an important detail, but the fact that she kept on randomly meeting pre-Time War Gallifreyans seemed to imply that the 9th, 10th, and 11th Doctors could have done so as well? Like, whenever they got lonesome they could have jumped to a planet where pre-Time War Gallifreyans had a survey expedition or whatever, and thereby gotten a taste of the old culture? Since the Doctor never had that option, it would seem that all pre-Time War Gallifreyans, anywhere in existence, were also isolated by the Time Lock? It does seem to make sense to me, in-continuity, that events (and creatures created by events) that are Time War related or that specifically come from the post-Time War universe should be isolated away from the pre-Time War universe, by virtue of the Time-Lock... But that still leaves a load of New Who monsters that could be argued to have existed pre-Time War, such as the Judoon, Vashta Narada, Weeping Angels, and others. Wow... I'm over-geeking this, aren't I? Theoretically I think it's entirely possible a new series Doctor could bump into a pre-Time War Time Lord. I think it's more the Doctor chooses not to actively seek out any Time Lords as it would be too painful to meet them, and knowing the consequences to history he wouldn't be able to give them any advance warning. Given the Time Lords' non-interference policy the amount of Time Lords off Gallifrey prior to the Time War was tiny anyway, so it's pretty unlikely the Doctor would bump into them. I think it's merely the actual events of the Time War that are timelocked and thus inaccessible, so presumably a lot of random planets have inaccessible bits of their history when Time Lords and Daleks fought over them. I'm actually worn out from that over-geeking, how do the TARDIS wiki editors cope? My theory is that the rules changed after the Doctor saved Gallifrey in Day of the Doctor. After that, it became possible for him to meet pre-war Time Lords. After all, he did just run into the First Doctor on TV.
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Post by kinghumble on Jul 22, 2017 8:16:16 GMT
Theoretically I think it's entirely possible a new series Doctor could bump into a pre-Time War Time Lord. I think it's more the Doctor chooses not to actively seek out any Time Lords as it would be too painful to meet them, and knowing the consequences to history he wouldn't be able to give them any advance warning. Given the Time Lords' non-interference policy the amount of Time Lords off Gallifrey prior to the Time War was tiny anyway, so it's pretty unlikely the Doctor would bump into them. I think it's merely the actual events of the Time War that are timelocked and thus inaccessible, so presumably a lot of random planets have inaccessible bits of their history when Time Lords and Daleks fought over them. I'm actually worn out from that over-geeking, how do the TARDIS wiki editors cope? My theory is that the rules changed after the Doctor saved Gallifrey in Day of the Doctor. After that, it became possible for him to meet pre-war Time Lords. After all, he did just run into the First Doctor on TV. ...huh. It's almost like you used logic to come up with that. But yeah, that's probably the Occam's Razor explanation
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