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Post by Digi on Nov 24, 2017 1:20:18 GMT
Such a lovely set of stories. I don't want to comment on the individual titles because I'm afraid I'll forget something! It's so nice that everyone was able to come together for this.
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Post by elkawho on Nov 24, 2017 19:36:47 GMT
I loved this set, every story had something that allowed me to run away with 10 and not look back. There was so many great things in this, although I knew I'd me happy with my favorite Doctor and 3 favorite writers. But there are some things that I thought I could have done without:
1) The "I'm The Doctor and I'm...." or "I'm Rose Tyler and I'm...." moments. I mean, who talks like that? Those moments take me out of the story every single time and make me bristle at the self-aggrandizing hubris of the the characters. It was mocked in the 50th Anniversary when he comes across the rabbit, and that is the only time I didn't mind it. Please, no more of those, thank you.
2) I really wish the politics weren't shoved down my throat, but that happens in the series as well.
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Post by davygallagher on Nov 25, 2017 0:08:10 GMT
I turned the first disc off after the Sensorite diss early in Infamy Of The Zaross. I can't be having that - I'm going to write to my MP about the besmirching of a much understood race.  No, it was a fun story and I too thought of the Zaross/Varos similiarity given the concept of real death being used for entertainment. Very nice to hear Guy Henry, was a bit of a surprise as I hadn't checked the cast lists beforehand and I always enjoy Guy on TV and stage. I'll be starting the others over the weekend  |
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Post by kinghumble on Nov 25, 2017 3:53:00 GMT
I really wish the politics weren't shoved down my throat, but that happens in the series as well. Quick note - funny note - I think you're talking about the 2nd story? Chevalier? Just assuming  If so, transgenderism isn't about politics but about human rights Since human rights aren't matters of opinion, but about what people are and what people deserve, there really isn't any controversy at all! So we're all good, nobody shoved politics down your throat! |
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Post by number13 on Nov 25, 2017 12:41:09 GMT
I loved this set, every story had something that allowed me to run away with 10 and not look back. There was so many great things in this, although I knew I'd me happy with my favorite Doctor and 3 favorite writers. But there are some things that I thought I could have done without: 1) The "I'm The Doctor and I'm...." or "I'm Rose Tyler and I'm...." moments. I mean, who talks like that? I've only heard one of the stories so far but 'The Sword of the Chevalier' was a joy!  I know exactly what you mean about "I'm the Doctor and..." and it does sound daft when I think about it, but like the psychic paper and the magic wand sonic screwdriver, it's short-cutting which only sounds daft when it's repeated too often - but repeat it more often and it becomes an in-joke? They're trying to cram what would have been a classic-series four-parter into 50 minutes minus titles and credits. The days when the Doctor had time to sit around drinking tea in the UNIT lab or enjoy a Chinese dance performance during a seven-episode cart journey to Cathay are sadly long gone. |
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Post by Whovitt on Nov 25, 2017 13:17:18 GMT
Three hours of pure pleasure. I couldn't have asked for more While I'd seen the entire Classic Series before the revival began airing, the New Series was what aired throughout my childhood, and the opportunity to revisit that in this way is what some others on this forum must get by listening to stories featuring Doctors 3-7. I haven't felt this form of nostalgia from anything except these Tenth Doctor Adventures and it is the most incredible feeling to have 10 years stripped away and feeling like a kid again as the title music plays. (I wasn't the only one to crank the volume well beyond what would normally be acceptable with the title music, was I?  ) All I can say is that I loved this box set, and I can't wait for the next one (whenever that may be) |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 25, 2017 13:35:18 GMT
Three hours of pure pleasure. I couldn't have asked for more While I'd seen the entire Classic Series before the revival began airing, the New Series was what aired throughout my childhood, and the opportunity to revisit that in this way is what some others on this forum must get by listening to stories featuring Doctors 3-7. I haven't felt this form of nostalgia from anything except these Tenth Doctor Adventures and it is the most incredible feeling to have 10 years stripped away and feeling like a kid again as the title music plays. (I wasn't the only one to crank the volume well beyond what would normally be acceptable with the title music, was I? ) All I can say is that I loved this box set, and I can't wait for the next one (whenever that may be) I really hope they manage to keep it yearly. I know David Tennant's very busy but it sounded like he's very keen to record more in that recent DWM interview. |
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Post by barnabaslives on Nov 25, 2017 13:58:48 GMT
it is the most incredible feeling to have 10 years stripped away and feeling like a kid again as the title music plays. Yes, it is - and if you think that's incredible, try 40. |
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Post by elkawho on Nov 25, 2017 14:16:50 GMT
I loved this set, every story had something that allowed me to run away with 10 and not look back. There was so many great things in this, although I knew I'd me happy with my favorite Doctor and 3 favorite writers. But there are some things that I thought I could have done without: 1) The "I'm The Doctor and I'm...." or "I'm Rose Tyler and I'm...." moments. I mean, who talks like that? I've only heard one of the stories so far but 'The Sword of the Chevalier' was a joy!  I know exactly what you mean about "I'm the Doctor and..." and it does sound daft when I think about it, but like the psychic paper and the magic wand sonic screwdriver, it's short-cutting which only sounds daft when it's repeated too often - but repeat it more often and it becomes an in-joke? They're trying to cram what would have been a classic-series four-parter into 50 minutes minus titles and credits. The days when the Doctor had time to sit around drinking tea in the UNIT lab or enjoy a Chinese dance performance during a seven-episode cart journey to Cathay are sadly long gone. Please, please don't get me wrong. I LOVED this set and plan on listening again today. And I would NEVER take away the sonic or the psychic paper from 10. (I so wanted to hear him sing!) It's just the declarations of how wonderful and capable you are every 15 minutes is overdoing it a bit. And for some reason it bothered me more when it was coming from Rose, but hey. That's a tiny grumble when compared to how great these stories are. |
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Post by elkawho on Nov 25, 2017 14:37:10 GMT
I really wish the politics weren't shoved down my throat, but that happens in the series as well. Quick note - funny note - I think you're talking about the 2nd story? Chevalier? Just assuming  If so, transgenderism isn't about politics but about human rights Since human rights aren't matters of opinion, but about what people are and what people deserve, there really isn't any controversy at all! So we're all good, nobody shoved politics down your throat! It's not that the fact that the character is transgender. I have transgender people in my life, so believe me when I say it's not that. And anyway, the human rights of transgendered people were not what the story was about, so I don't really understand how your comment is relative. I actually took it as a comment on the new Doctor more than just about the transgender issue, honestly. And I have to listen again, but I think my comment about politics was regarding more than that one story and the transgender issue. But since it was brought up here I've thought more about it. As someone who does have trans people in my life and family whom I love, support and am VERY close to, I actually have a problem with being told how I "should" feel and then changing the subject. You want to have a dialogue with people regarding trans issues? Great. But dropping, "Gender shouldn't matter" at people and then walking away takes no account of the other person's ideas and feelings. Deny it all you want, but gender DOES matter. And people's response to finding out someone is trans is actually far from black and white. It's a complex issue, as least it is for me and others I know. Granted this story is not really a forum for a deep conversation about these issues. I get that it was one comment in an overall story. But the idea that feelings this complex can be dictated by an alien presence who, historically has only a surface understanding of deeper human emotion did bother me. |
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Post by dorney on Nov 25, 2017 14:55:01 GMT
I’ve not heard Chevalier yet - it’s for a drive this afternoon, and I cannot wait - but any comment is unlikely to be commenting on the new Doctor as they were all recorded before Whittaker’s casting was announced. It might even have been written before Capaldi stood down (mine certainly was).
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Nov 25, 2017 16:15:58 GMT
Quick note - funny note - I think you're talking about the 2nd story? Chevalier? Just assuming If so, transgenderism isn't about politics but about human rights Since human rights aren't matters of opinion, but about what people are and what people deserve, there really isn't any controversy at all! So we're all good, nobody shoved politics down your throat! It's not that the fact that the character is transgender. I have transgender people in my life, so believe me when I say it's not that. And anyway, the human rights of transgendered people were not what the story was about, so I don't really understand how your comment is relative. I actually took it as a comment on the new Doctor more than just about the transgender issue, honestly. And I have to listen again, but I think my comment about politics was regarding more than that one story and the transgender issue. But since it was brought up here I've thought more about it. As someone who does have trans people in my life and family whom I love, support and am VERY close to, I actually have a problem with being told how I "should" feel and then changing the subject. You want to have a dialogue with people regarding trans issues? Great. But dropping, "Gender shouldn't matter" at people and then walking away takes no account of the other person's ideas and feelings. Deny it all you want, but gender DOES matter. And people's response to finding out someone is trans is actually far from black and white. It's a complex issue, as least it is for me and others I know. Granted this story is not really a forum for a deep conversation about these issues. I get that it was one comment in an overall story. But the idea that feelings this complex can be dictated by an alien presence who, historically has only a surface understanding of deeper human emotion did bother me. It was definitely the Line “gender is an archaic concept anyway” that didn’t really sit well with me because it felt like, as you’ve said elkawho, that they were telling you how to feel and were painting it as a black and white fact without actually delving into the subject. Though, it was something I could easily enjoy the story without being bothered much by because the story was so good and the Chevalier was such a well written and performed character. I had a bigger issue with the politics in Cold Vengeance because it felt like they tried to tack on the Humans = white people, Ice Warriors = Black people, analogy at the end and kind of out of nowhere and it kind of took me out of the story because it wasn’t a part of the story, it was literally just tacked on to the end. |
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Post by mark687 on Nov 25, 2017 16:24:27 GMT
It's not that the fact that the character is transgender. I have transgender people in my life, so believe me when I say it's not that. And anyway, the human rights of transgendered people were not what the story was about, so I don't really understand how your comment is relative. I actually took it as a comment on the new Doctor more than just about the transgender issue, honestly. And I have to listen again, but I think my comment about politics was regarding more than that one story and the transgender issue. But since it was brought up here I've thought more about it. As someone who does have trans people in my life and family whom I love, support and am VERY close to, I actually have a problem with being told how I "should" feel and then changing the subject. You want to have a dialogue with people regarding trans issues? Great. But dropping, "Gender shouldn't matter" at people and then walking away takes no account of the other person's ideas and feelings. Deny it all you want, but gender DOES matter. And people's response to finding out someone is trans is actually far from black and white. It's a complex issue, as least it is for me and others I know. Granted this story is not really a forum for a deep conversation about these issues. I get that it was one comment in an overall story. But the idea that feelings this complex can be dictated by an alien presence who, historically has only a surface understanding of deeper human emotion did bother me. I had a bigger issue with the politics in Cold Vengeance because it felt like they tried to tack on the Humans = white people, Ice Warriors = Black people, analogy at the end and kind of out of nowhere and it kind of took me out of the story because it wasn’t a part of the story, it was literally just tacked on to the end. The last line in Cold Vengeance took me aback I must admit. Does "SJW" really need to be said?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 25, 2017 16:57:38 GMT
Quick note - funny note - I think you're talking about the 2nd story? Chevalier? Just assuming If so, transgenderism isn't about politics but about human rights Since human rights aren't matters of opinion, but about what people are and what people deserve, there really isn't any controversy at all! So we're all good, nobody shoved politics down your throat! It's not that the fact that the character is transgender. I have transgender people in my life, so believe me when I say it's not that. And anyway, the human rights of transgendered people were not what the story was about, so I don't really understand how your comment is relative. I actually took it as a comment on the new Doctor more than just about the transgender issue, honestly. And I have to listen again, but I think my comment about politics was regarding more than that one story and the transgender issue. But since it was brought up here I've thought more about it. As someone who does have trans people in my life and family whom I love, support and am VERY close to, I actually have a problem with being told how I "should" feel and then changing the subject. You want to have a dialogue with people regarding trans issues? Great. But dropping, "Gender shouldn't matter" at people and then walking away takes no account of the other person's ideas and feelings. Deny it all you want, but gender DOES matter. And people's response to finding out someone is trans is actually far from black and white. It's a complex issue, as least it is for me and others I know. Granted this story is not really a forum for a deep conversation about these issues. I get that it was one comment in an overall story. But the idea that feelings this complex can be dictated by an alien presence who, historically has only a surface understanding of deeper human emotion did bother me. Gender shouldn't matter. *Walks away.* |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 25, 2017 16:59:16 GMT
I’ve not heard Chevalier yet - it’s for a drive this afternoon, and I cannot wait - but any comment is unlikely to be commenting on the new Doctor as they were all recorded before Whittaker’s casting was announced. It might even have been written before Capaldi stood down (mine certainly was). How do Big Finish feel about Jodie Whittaker's casting, if you don't mind me asking? Is there any interest in getting her for audio dramas at some point in the future when you hopefully have the license for 13th Doctor audios? |
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Post by dorney on Nov 25, 2017 18:24:50 GMT
I’ve not heard Chevalier yet - it’s for a drive this afternoon, and I cannot wait - but any comment is unlikely to be commenting on the new Doctor as they were all recorded before Whittaker’s casting was announced. It might even have been written before Capaldi stood down (mine certainly was). How do Big Finish feel about Jodie Whittaker's casting, if you don't mind me asking? Is there any interest in getting her for audio dramas at some point in the future when you hopefully have the license for 13th Doctor audios? Well, I can’t really speak for the whole of BF on these matters, but I think all the conversations I’ve had on the issue have been resoundingly positive. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Nov 25, 2017 18:36:51 GMT
How do Big Finish feel about Jodie Whittaker's casting, if you don't mind me asking? Is there any interest in getting her for audio dramas at some point in the future when you hopefully have the license for 13th Doctor audios? Well, I can’t really speak for the whole of BF on these matters, but I think all the conversations I’ve had on the issue have been resoundingly positive. Good to hear. I think Jodie Whittaker is going to do a fantastic job. |
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Post by number13 on Nov 25, 2017 19:27:07 GMT
it is the most incredible feeling to have 10 years stripped away and feeling like a kid again as the title music plays. Yes, it is - and if you think that's incredible, try 40. I see your 10 and your 40 and I raise you 45! The Third Doctor Adventures have done it for me; they've all been scarily excellent at rolling back time to the days of my Doctor - but 'The Conquest of Far' took it to a new level, with the opening scene {Spoiler}replaying the final scene of 'Planet of the Daleks'. Brilliant! And terrifying! (Thinks: I was then, I saw this on BBC1 the first time round, oh Rassilon how old am I now? )  |
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Post by number13 on Nov 25, 2017 20:20:44 GMT
I had a bigger issue with the politics in Cold Vengeance because it felt like they tried to tack on the Humans = white people, Ice Warriors = Black people, analogy at the end and kind of out of nowhere and it kind of took me out of the story because it wasn’t a part of the story, it was literally just tacked on to the end. The last line in Cold Vengeance took me aback I must admit. Does "SJW" really need to be said?
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I don't see the analogy at all. The Ice Warriors are a kind of techno-Viking civilisation, with the advanced culture and the violence. Their contacts with humans - first as brutal invaders then later as part of wider Galactic society - seem to mirror the way that the Vikings first came to Britain as raiders and invaders but later settled and finally became part of one combined society. (I'm going on the original Brian Hayles stories here.) They (Ice Warriors or Vikings) were never in any need of 'justice' - quite the opposite in fact! |
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Nov 25, 2017 20:37:50 GMT
The last line in Cold Vengeance took me aback I must admit. Does "SJW" really need to be said?
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I don't see the analogy at all. The Ice Warriors are a kind of techno-Viking civilisation, with the advanced culture and the violence. Their contacts with humans - first as brutal invaders then later as part of wider Galactic society - seem to mirror the way that the Vikings first came to Britain as raiders and invaders but later settled and finally became part of one combined society. (I'm going on the original Brian Hayles stories here.) They (Ice Warriors or Vikings) were never in any need of 'justice' - quite the opposite in fact! Those are literally the reasons why the analogy was made even worse because they reduced the Ice Warriors to victims, described as “quiet people” living in ghettos and mistreated by humans. Adding the SJW comment to it and saying that reparations were owed to the Ice Warriors for the humans stealing their planet, I think it’s clear that it was all an allegory for the slave trade and what some people think about it now. I wouldn’t have had an issue with doing this as a story, but it was so tacked on to the end that it felt forced rather than a natural part of the story. |
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No, it was a fun story and I too thought of the Zaross/Varos similiarity given the concept of real death being used for entertainment. Very nice to hear Guy Henry, was a bit of a surprise as I hadn't checked the cast lists beforehand and I always enjoy Guy on TV and stage.
If so, transgenderism isn't about politics but about human rights 
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If so, transgenderism isn't about politics but about human rights 
