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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 8, 2017 11:14:52 GMT
I don't mind the design of the Gaiman Cybermen, its alright. My issue is with how gimmickly they were used. If you want scary Cybermen have them do something scary, gimmicks like being able to run and being able to turn their head all the way round isn't. I've no problem with them flying though, that seems like a logical thing for the Cybermen to add whereas running and 360 head turn doesn't. Running seems logical to me. Makes it harder for people to escape them. |
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Post by sherlock on Mar 8, 2017 15:45:30 GMT
I don't mind the design of the Gaiman Cybermen, its alright. My issue is with how gimmickly they were used. If you want scary Cybermen have them do something scary, gimmicks like being able to run and being able to turn their head all the way round isn't. I've no problem with them flying though, that seems like a logical thing for the Cybermen to add whereas running and 360 head turn doesn't. Running seems logical to me. Makes it harder for people to escape them. Trouble with introducing super-speed means it's now a monumental plot hole. Why did the Cybermen not use it again in the rest of Nightmare in Silver? They could have besieged that castle and rounded up the entire cast in under a minute given how many of them there were. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 8, 2017 16:05:21 GMT
Running seems logical to me. Makes it harder for people to escape them. Trouble with introducing super-speed means it's now a monumental plot hole. Why did the Cybermen not use it again in the rest of Nightmare in Silver? They could have besieged that castle and rounded up the entire cast in under a minute given how many of them there were. Maybe it runs on battery power? |
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Post by sherlock on Mar 8, 2017 16:14:08 GMT
Trouble with introducing super-speed means it's now a monumental plot hole. Why did the Cybermen not use it again in the rest of Nightmare in Silver? They could have besieged that castle and rounded up the entire cast in under a minute given how many of them there were. Maybe it runs on battery power? They had the power to wake up about a thousand Cybermen, but not one of them had charged enough to run? Its still a flaw, and an unnecessary one at that-Cybermen running was just a gimmick that didn't need to be there. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 8, 2017 16:24:25 GMT
Maybe it runs on battery power? They had the power to wake up about a thousand Cybermen, but not one of them had charged enough to run? Its still a flaw, and an unnecessary one at that-Cybermen running was just a gimmick that didn't need to be there. It took all their power. They were running on 5% battery life after that. |
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Post by fitzoliverj on Mar 8, 2017 18:53:55 GMT
Trouble with introducing super-speed means it's now a monumental plot hole. Why did the Cybermen not use it again in the rest of Nightmare in Silver? They could have besieged that castle and rounded up the entire cast in under a minute given how many of them there were. Maybe it runs on battery power? Come to think of it, I'm sure I read something about an advert for batteries featuring the seventh Doctor and the Cybermen. Unless it was a wind-up. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 8, 2017 18:55:34 GMT
Maybe it runs on battery power? Come to think of it, I'm sure I read something about an advert for batteries featuring the seventh Doctor and the Cybermen. Unless it was a wind-up. The Doctor runs on batteries? I thought he was a Time Lord, not a robot or cyborg.  |
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Mar 8, 2017 18:56:34 GMT
Maybe it runs on battery power? Come to think of it, I'm sure I read something about an advert for batteries featuring the seventh Doctor and the Cybermen. Unless it was a wind-up. Well, wind-ups don't need a battery, do they? |
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Post by doctorkernow on Mar 9, 2017 19:07:07 GMT
Hello again.
What now? Mondasian Cybermen? Sorry, can't take them very seriously. The first time I listened to The Tenth Planet all I could think of was Zippy from children's programme Rainbow who was also voiced by Roy Skelton.
Spare Parts gave them more menace, slightly different vocal treatment? Their look while revolutionary in the Sixties today I personally don't find them scary. The only Classic series monster that scared me was the Spaghetti Monster. Otherwise known as the Jagaroth. Absolutely terrifying!
The direction for 11/12 will be by Rachel Talalay who is excellent. I did enjoy her work on Heaven Sent and Dark Water/Death in Heaven.
Let's hope she can work her magic and Mr. Moffat has given these Sixties Cybermen lots of Cybermenace.
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Post by doomlord on Mar 9, 2017 19:54:40 GMT
I really don't get the comments floating about on various forums saying the return of these Cybermen are somehow a big risk. I've read people saying the surgical gauze (not cloth socks) that cover their faces is risky for a 21st Century audience, some don't even give their reason why they think that?!
I say to them that there are plenty of examples that use cloth-based coverings that visually go on to enhance their creepiness and disturbing imagery, such as Silent Hill (in both game form and film form), the Scarecrow in Batman (comics, film) and recently some villans in the Gotham TV series.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Mar 9, 2017 21:02:12 GMT
I really don't get the comments floating about on various forums saying the return of these Cybermen are somehow a big risk. I've read people saying the surgical gauze (not cloth socks) that cover their faces is risky for a 21st Century audience, some don't even give their reason why they think that?! I say to them that there are plenty of examples that use cloth-based coverings that visually go on to enhance their creepiness and disturbing imagery, such as Silent Hill (in both game form and film form), the Scarecrow in Batman (comics, film) and recently some villans in the Gotham TV series. I've several concerns. Will the Tenth Planet Cybermen work in colour? Will a multi Cyberman story work? |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 9, 2017 23:20:28 GMT
It's because it looks like they have cloth faces, so they give the appearance of a very low budget monster. Makes sense given that at the time they made that design the show was on a shoestring budget.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Mar 9, 2017 23:48:35 GMT
Black and white covered a multitude of sins. They were cheap. Would colour show them up?
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Post by doomlord on Mar 10, 2017 0:18:28 GMT
It's because it looks like they have cloth faces, so they give the appearance of a very low budget monster. Makes sense given that at the time they made that design the show was on a shoestring budget. It also makes a lot of sense that they are using the correct surgical appliances. You need to think in realistic medical terms (which comes across in realisation of Sandra Reid's design). You yourself would find wearing a such a surgical gauze over your face if you were injured or needed to preserve what you have left underneath, add to that the extra layers of description on top with the stench of both fused metal with flesh and antiseptic and preservation fluids to add to the horror. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 6:39:34 GMT
It's because it looks like they have cloth faces, so they give the appearance of a very low budget monster. Makes sense given that at the time they made that design the show was on a shoestring budget. It also makes a lot of sense that they are using the correct surgical appliances. You need to think in realistic medical terms (which comes across in realisation of Sandra Reid's design). You yourself would find wearing a such a surgical gauze over your face if you were injured or needed to preserve what you have left underneath, add to that the extra layers of description on top with the stench of both fused metal with flesh and antiseptic and preservation fluids to add to the horror. A very easy way to show that on television would be to have the characters peel the mask off and just hear what that sounds like. Have the characters react to the smell or the sight as is appropriate (i.e. not terribly well) and let the audience's imagination run riot. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 10, 2017 9:42:03 GMT
It's because it looks like they have cloth faces, so they give the appearance of a very low budget monster. Makes sense given that at the time they made that design the show was on a shoestring budget. It also makes a lot of sense that they are using the correct surgical appliances. You need to think in realistic medical terms (which comes across in realisation of Sandra Reid's design). You yourself would find wearing a such a surgical gauze over your face if you were injured or needed to preserve what you have left underneath, add to that the extra layers of description on top with the stench of both fused metal with flesh and antiseptic and preservation fluids to add to the horror. Most of the casual audience won't know medical terms. I don't know medical terms. They just look like they are wearing cloths to me - although being a Whovian, that does not bother me. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 11:35:29 GMT
It also makes a lot of sense that they are using the correct surgical appliances. You need to think in realistic medical terms (which comes across in realisation of Sandra Reid's design). They just look like they are wearing cloths to me - although being a Whovian, that does not bother me. They look like they are wearing cloths to me too - but not being a Whovian, that does not bother me either.  |
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Post by doomlord on Mar 10, 2017 16:13:00 GMT
It also makes a lot of sense that they are using the correct surgical appliances. You need to think in realistic medical terms (which comes across in realisation of Sandra Reid's design). You yourself would find wearing a such a surgical gauze over your face if you were injured or needed to preserve what you have left underneath, add to that the extra layers of description on top with the stench of both fused metal with flesh and antiseptic and preservation fluids to add to the horror. Most of the casual audience won't know medical terms. I don't know medical terms. They just look like they are wearing cloths to me - although being a Whovian, that does not bother me. You underestimate the casual audience, most of them know what surgical masks are and what their preservation functions do and even if some don't, they'll probably work it out even if there isn't a line of dialogue that directly refers to them. You make it sound that the design was intentional due to the constraints of budget when it was probably more to do with Kit and Gerry's outline with how they should look with Sandra Reid intentionally designing it to their realism requirements of science-fact amalgamated with science-fiction. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 10, 2017 17:04:56 GMT
Most of the casual audience won't know medical terms. I don't know medical terms. They just look like they are wearing cloths to me - although being a Whovian, that does not bother me. You underestimate the casual audience, most of them know what surgical masks are and what their preservation functions do and even if some don't, they'll probably work it out even if there isn't a line of dialogue that directly refers to them. You make it sound that the design was intentional due to the constraints of budget when it was probably more to do with Kit and Gerry's outline with how they should look with Sandra Reid intentionally designing it to their realism requirements of science-fact amalgamated with science-fiction. I don't think I am underestimating them. I think if you asked an average member of the public what the Tenth Planet Cybermen's faces look like they would say they have cloth faces. I also think there's no chance that design wasn't deliberately done in a way that they could afford it on a shoestring budget. |
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Mar 10, 2017 22:18:58 GMT
Either way it would be a happy decision for a cash strapped designer/props maker.
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