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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 2:25:35 GMT
Title says it all, What story, in all of Doctor Who, do you love/like that everyone seems to hate or generally dislike. For me, it's Hell Bent. I love it, and am going to go into it a bit more later, but want to leave this OP clean enough. Sound off below.
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Post by omega on Apr 17, 2017 2:29:26 GMT
Sleep No More. It's a wonderfully experimental story, with the limitations of the format likely being a huge turn-off for most people.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 2:40:42 GMT
I guess every story has fans so I can't really say there's one I love that everyone hates but The Rings Of Akhaten and Timelash were both in the bottom 10 stories ever in the last major DWM poll and I like them both quite a bit. Akhaten has some of my favourite Murray Gold scoring and a great perfomance from Matt Smith. Timelash wouldn't be as derided if it wasn't for that bloody tinsel. I'm not claiming them as classics but they're SO much better than their poll positions suggest. There are average, dull, uninspired eps that seem a lot more popular. As I always say, give me fun bad over mediocrity with zero ambition any day. On audio, while no-one slags Excelis Dawns, very few seem to share my opinion it's one of the best, most sweeping and cinematic BF stories. I love all the Excelis stories honestly and they never seem to get much attention. And pretty much all of Katy Manning's more offbeat CCs from The Scorchies to Find And Replace are among my top tier. Edit: And I certainly love Hell Bent so YANA.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 3:02:04 GMT
The Twin Dilemma really isn't that bad. The first episode is probably rivalling that of The Web Planet's for lack of pacing, but it's hardly irredeemable.
Maurice Denham is a positive delight as Azmael, the segments on Jaconda in the second half show that a fairly decent tale was trying to push its way up through the cracks, the Sixth Doctor's confrontation with Mestor harkens back to the strength of Bob Holmes's writings, Peri's characterisation has snapped back to Planet of Fire and Kevin McNally's performance as Lieutenant Hugo Lang (despite a lack of material) makes me think he would have been a good addition to the TARDIS in the same vein of Jamie.
Had it been the first story of Season 22 and gone the way of its Target novelisation, it would have likely been treated in the same vein as Robot or Castrovalva.
Actually, I've reedited The Twin Dilemma into two parts with Titan III in one and Jaconda the other. It does pretty well and I discovered that ending it similarly to Snakedance really helps with the ending. A casual viewer is left with a much better impression of Sixie as the story ends with Peri searching the catacombs for him while he holds Azmael as he dies -- "I shall miss you old friend... I shall indeed."
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Apr 17, 2017 3:13:32 GMT
Underworld. The CSO is atrocious but as an exploration of Gallifreyan history that isn't all nonsense about "the Other" or Omega, it's a gem. It's a period that I'd have love to have seen in some sort of historical version of the Gallifrey series itself.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 3:35:28 GMT
I guess every story has fans so I can't really say there's one I love that everyone hates but The Rings Of Akhaten and Timelash were both in the bottom 10 stories ever in the last major DWM poll and I like them both quite a bit. Akhaten has some of my favourite Murray Gold scoring and a great perfomance from Matt Smith. Timelash wouldn't be as derided if it wasn't for that bloody tinsel. I'm not claiming them as classics but they're SO much better than their poll positions suggest. There are average, dull, uninspired eps that seem a lot more popular. As I always say, give me fun bad over mediocrity with zero ambition any day. On audio, while no-one slags Excelis Dawns, very few seem to share my opinion it's one of the best, most sweeping and cinematic BF stories. I love all the Excelis stories honestly and they never seem to get much attention. And pretty much all of Katy Manning's more offbeat CCs from The Scorchies to Find And Replace are among my top tier. Edit: And I certainly love Hell Bent so YANA. YANA in regards to both The Rings of Akhaten and Timelash. The Rings of Akhaten is one boosted by an amazing score and while the story is plain, it's there to fuel the characters. Being able to take an run of the mill plot and inject it with life through characters can make it great in my opinion(which I think the Pilot just did, I just watched it and I loved it!). Timelash is exactly what you said, Fun Bad is much better than something that is average and plain. As for the Excelis series, that was already my next to buy, so I'm glad to hear that you like it so much. Katy Manning is just a fun person, so I think that she can make almost anything work and Find and Replace is one of the few audios to actually make me ahead tears(Listened to it right after I lost a loved one and so didn't help very much when I was trying to have some sadness free time ).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 4:16:53 GMT
Underworld. The CSO is atrocious but as an exploration of Gallifreyan history that isn't all nonsense about "the Other" or Omega, it's a gem. It's a period that I'd have love to have seen in some sort of historical version of the Gallifrey series itself. It's also a chunk of Gallifreyan history that doesn't seem to involve Rassilon in any degree. That's really unusual in a post- The Five Doctors Whoniverse.
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There’s a horror movie called Alien? That’s really offensive. No wonder everyone keeps invading you.
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Post by shutupbanks on Apr 17, 2017 5:00:19 GMT
Battlefield: it's an amazingly ambitious story let down by the production values of the day and by some peculiar late-80s wirthiness. But the idea of the Doctor encountering things back-to-front was brilliant.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Apr 17, 2017 6:21:47 GMT
Battlefield: it's an amazingly ambitious story let down by the production values of the day and by some peculiar late-80s wirthiness. But the idea of the Doctor encountering things back-to-front was brilliant. Also, when is it set? Because it's not our 1995, or even the 1995 of the present Doctor Who universe.
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Post by omega on Apr 17, 2017 6:30:21 GMT
Battlefield: it's an amazingly ambitious story let down by the production values of the day and by some peculiar late-80s wirthiness. But the idea of the Doctor encountering things back-to-front was brilliant. Warriors of the Deep and Paradise Towers are two stories I consider to be intelligent scripts with most of the oomph taken out by poor production decisions or circumstances.
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Post by CookieMaster on Apr 17, 2017 6:42:19 GMT
End of Time and The TV Movie. The latter especially.
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Post by Whovitt on Apr 17, 2017 6:52:18 GMT
Underworld. The CSO is atrocious but as an exploration of Gallifreyan history that isn't all nonsense about "the Other" or Omega, it's a gem. It's a period that I'd have love to have seen in some sort of historical version of the Gallifrey series itself. It's also a chunk of Gallifreyan history that doesn't seem to involve Rassilon in any degree. That's really unusual in a post- The Five Doctors Whoniverse. Underworld was several years before The Five Doctors though. Or are you just making a general point about Timelord history and Rassilon after The Five Doctors?
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Post by shutupbanks on Apr 17, 2017 7:00:11 GMT
Battlefield: it's an amazingly ambitious story let down by the production values of the day and by some peculiar late-80s wirthiness. But the idea of the Doctor encountering things back-to-front was brilliant. Also, when is it set? Because it's not our 1995, or even the 1995 of the present Doctor Who universe. It's a quirk of time travel stories that nobody seems to want to address the elephant in the room that is alternative pasts and futures. I think that I would also like to see what might have been the golden age that was Harriet Jones's three prime ministerships that didn't happen because 10 got annoyed with her.
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Post by Timelord007 on Apr 17, 2017 8:41:20 GMT
Scaredy Cat (laughs).
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Post by mark687 on Apr 17, 2017 9:51:29 GMT
On TV
The 2 Doctors
Battlefield
Boom Town
Kill the Moon
BF
I think I need more options of what people think are bad stories.
I don't think Minute in Hell deserves as much stick as it gets.
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Post by Whovitt on Apr 17, 2017 10:20:41 GMT
Mainly for nostalgia reasons, I'm a fan of The Dominators (I know, shoot me if you must ). I don't know why but I actually enjoy it... it's been a couple of years since I've seen it though, so my opinion may have changed... I enjoy The Web Planet, but not just for nostalgia reasons - I like the story, and I like the design/effects work too! The same goes for Warriors of the Deep. I love the story, but I also very much appreciate the design. I honestly don't mind the Myrka all that much, and the lighting seems perfectly acceptable to me - we don't know how well lit a Sea Base will be While I don't necessarily 'love' it, I do like Love & Monsters. It's not one that I watch regularly, but I don't dread watching it.
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Post by number13 on Apr 17, 2017 10:22:51 GMT
The Time Monster
I'm not over-convinced by the Killer Pigeon or the strange, static Divine Dénouement but... The plot is complex and packed with ideas, the Master's time experiments give us some great UNIT sequences where all the regulars get good storylines and the 1½ episodes in ancient Atlantis give us ancient myth and court politics worthy of any ‘historical’, an excellent part of the story with fine character writing and great guest performances, a classical tragedy in miniature. Atlantis falls, as we know it must, through human and Time Lord greed and folly and the wrath of Kronos. It’s a great moment as the Queen stands alone among the ruin she has brought about, showing this story has real depth even with a few off-moments. One priceless scene has the Doctor encouraging Jo with a story of his youth, when an old Time Lord hermit gave him a moment of (basically Zen Buddhist) revelation that there is wonder and beauty in the existence of all things – on discovering “the daisyest daisy I ever saw!” This story is really a six-episode duel between the Doctor and the Master as two perfectly matched characters, so similar yet utterly different, like moral mirror images. From the technology of the Cambridge lab through the dimensions of their TARDISes to the court politics of ancient Atlantis, they compete constantly, one seeking order and harmony, the other risking chaos in pursuit of power. Most sadly, this was the last time that Roger Delgado would ever appear with the UNIT ‘family’ but it’s a magnificent farewell performance to this type of story from the greatest Master of all. For fans that ‘see the daisy’ (as the Doctor’s old teacher taught him), there is great enjoyment to be found in every single story from these seasons. And for me, Jon Pertwee is still ‘the doctorest Doctor I ever saw!’
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 10:23:03 GMT
Battlefield: it's an amazingly ambitious story let down by the production values of the day and by some peculiar late-80s wirthiness. But the idea of the Doctor encountering things back-to-front was brilliant. Also, when is it set? Because it's not our 1995, or even the 1995 of the present Doctor Who universe. 1997. Some of the inconsistencies are papered over in later novels. People have a problem with Battlefield? I thought it's only issues were that they couldn't snag Graeme Harper to direct or have the intended power armour for the knights. It's still a great deal of fun in spite of its production shortcomings. The novelisation is a treat too because of Marc Platt's lovely little additions here and there for worldbuilding purposes. It's also a chunk of Gallifreyan history that doesn't seem to involve Rassilon in any degree. That's really unusual in a post- The Five Doctors Whoniverse. Underworld was several years before The Five Doctors though. Or are you just making a general point about Timelord history and Rassilon after The Five Doctors? Just a general point about Time Lord history, I probably should have said post- The Deadly Assassin. It's very rare to have a Gallifreyan story that doesn't mention the Time Lord founding father in some capacity. You know what I would have loved to see? The original script set in New Orleans. It's still a great story and one of TV!Sixie's best, but I'm fairly certain that most of the local colour would have propelled it into the Androzani/Talons tier was ripped out when they moved to Seville. I like to think that in a parallel universe somewhere The Androgum Inheritance's Louisiana setting made it a smash hit.
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Post by sherlock on Apr 17, 2017 10:46:07 GMT
Destiny of the Daleks was my first Classic Dalek story (yes it's an odd choice) so I've always been blind to it budgetary shortcomings, and Romana's regeneration has never bothered me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 11:29:36 GMT
Death to the Daleks. It's brilliant... Daleks with rifles! Pertwee and Sladen. Daleks with rifles...
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