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Post by bobod on May 15, 2017 11:23:07 GMT
Will you have them shot?
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Post by acousticwolf on May 15, 2017 11:27:03 GMT
Perhaps a little harsh, but I wouldn't rule out anything Cheers Tony
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Post by mark687 on May 15, 2017 11:43:48 GMT
We made a deal Jbmasta gets the odd numbered weeks I get the even numbered ones.
He wants to be Post king by hook or by crook LOL
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What if someone beats you both to it? As long as its Whovitt there's no problem, kidding
DS related news is all you
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Post by Whovitt on May 15, 2017 14:36:11 GMT
What if someone beats you both to it? As long as its Whovitt there's no problem, kidding
DS related news is all you
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Haha, that would be great, but look at the post count While I'm not a silent member, I don't contribute quite as much as some might think
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Post by mark687 on May 15, 2017 14:40:04 GMT
As long as its Whovitt there's no problem, kidding
DS related news is all you
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Haha, that would be great, but look at the post count While I'm not a silent member, I don't contribute quite as much as some might think Yes but your always polite and apologetic if you beat us to something
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Post by number13 on May 16, 2017 1:16:19 GMT
Oh a terrific episode, the literary spirit of Robert Holmes was walking there I think as well as the suits! Jamie Mathieson has now written three of my favourite Peter Capaldi stories. Dark, scary and gripping, I was literally curling my toes with tension as Bill was left behind for the zombie suits to take...
Bill, the Doctor and Nardole make a great team and I'm so surprised about that last part - I couldn't stand Nardole after the last Christmas story (sorry Mr. Nardole) but the character seems to have been transformed.
(However, although I loved the episode, did we have to have the 'Capitalism is Exploitation' message again? That's two exploitative capitalists, one exploitative colony and one exploitative landlord in the last four weeks. I get it, capitalism is bad!)
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Post by elkawho on May 16, 2017 1:30:55 GMT
Oh a terrific episode, the literary spirit of Robert Holmes was walking there I think as well as the suits! Jamie Mathieson has now written three of my favourite Peter Capaldi stories. Dark, scary and gripping, I was literally curling my toes with tension as Bill was left behind for the zombie suits to take... Bill, the Doctor and Nardole make a great team and I'm so surprised about that last part - I couldn't stand Nardole after the last Christmas story (sorry Mr. Nardole) but the character seems to have been transformed. (However, although I loved the episode, did we have to have the 'Capitalism is Exploitation' message again?
That's two exploitative capitalists, one exploitative colony and one exploitative landlord in the last four weeks. I get it, capitalism is bad!) I agree with everything. Especially getting tired of the "capitalism is bad" message.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 4:29:14 GMT
Oh a terrific episode, the literary spirit of Robert Holmes was walking there I think as well as the suits! Jamie Mathieson has now written three of my favourite Peter Capaldi stories. Dark, scary and gripping, I was literally curling my toes with tension as Bill was left behind for the zombie suits to take... Bill, the Doctor and Nardole make a great team and I'm so surprised about that last part - I couldn't stand Nardole after the last Christmas story (sorry Mr. Nardole) but the character seems to have been transformed. (However, although I loved the episode, did we have to have the 'Capitalism is Exploitation' message again?
That's two exploitative capitalists, one exploitative colony and one exploitative landlord in the last four weeks. I get it, capitalism is bad!) Wait, hold on... Again? Thin Ice, sure. But I thought Smile was about alien moralities (and slave labour), Knock Knock about a boy trying to keep his mother from dying and Deep Breath a doomed love story? I'm more inclined to believe the repeated message has been "victimising others is bad", rather than "capitalism is bad". Exploitation isn't necessarily tied into economics. Less Colony in Space (IMC) and more Planet of the Spiders (Metebelis spiders).
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Post by number13 on May 16, 2017 10:31:43 GMT
Oh a terrific episode, the literary spirit of Robert Holmes was walking there I think as well as the suits! Jamie Mathieson has now written three of my favourite Peter Capaldi stories. Dark, scary and gripping, I was literally curling my toes with tension as Bill was left behind for the zombie suits to take... Bill, the Doctor and Nardole make a great team and I'm so surprised about that last part - I couldn't stand Nardole after the last Christmas story (sorry Mr. Nardole) but the character seems to have been transformed. (However, although I loved the episode, did we have to have the 'Capitalism is Exploitation' message again?
That's two exploitative capitalists, one exploitative colony and one exploitative landlord in the last four weeks. I get it, capitalism is bad!) Wait, hold on... Again? Thin Ice, sure. But I thought Smile was about alien moralities (and slave labour), Knock Knock about a boy trying to keep his mother from dying and Deep Breath a doomed love story? I'm more inclined to believe the repeated message has been "victimising others is bad", rather than "capitalism is bad". Exploitation isn't necessarily tied into economics. Less Colony in Space (IMC) and more Planet of the Spiders (Metebelis spiders). OK I may have over-egged it a bit, but... The Private Sector Landlord is currently a capitalist 'hate figure' for the left (mind you I have seen some very bad examples on the TV news at times) and 'Smile' is partly a story about the 'unfairness' of profiting from the labour of others and a workers' revolt. That part didn't convince me (although I liked the story) because the 'workers' were not people with human rights, but machines built for a task. True, there wasn't actual money involved in Planet of the Spiders, but the Eight-Legs were grossly profiting from the excess production value of 'their' enslaved Two-Legs (losing almost everything they produced and even being eaten!) - until the Doctor turns up to free them, all crystals and karate! That's what Smile was trying to say, I think, but the moral argument didn't work for me with robots instead of people. The colonists had built those robots, they owned them as I own my car and computer.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 13:15:53 GMT
Wait, hold on... Again? Thin Ice, sure. But I thought Smile was about alien moralities (and slave labour), Knock Knock about a boy trying to keep his mother from dying and Deep Breath a doomed love story? I'm more inclined to believe the repeated message has been "victimising others is bad", rather than "capitalism is bad". Exploitation isn't necessarily tied into economics. Less Colony in Space (IMC) and more Planet of the Spiders (Metebelis spiders). OK I may have over-egged it a bit, but... The Private Sector Landlord is currently a capitalist 'hate figure' for the left (mind you I have seen some very bad examples on the TV news at times) and 'Smile' is partly a story about the 'unfairness' of profiting from the labour of others and a workers' revolt. That part didn't convince me (although I liked the story) because the 'workers' were not people with human rights, but machines built for a task. True, there wasn't actual money involved in Planet of the Spiders, but the Eight-Legs were grossly profiting from the excess production value of 'their' enslaved Two-Legs (losing almost everything they produced and even being eaten!) - until the Doctor turns up to free them, all crystals and karate! That's what Smile was trying to say, I think, but the moral argument didn't work for me with robots instead of people. The colonists had built those robots, they owned them as I own my car and computer. Ah, there's a thorny quandary, affirmations and rebuttals arguing the criteria for electronic sentience. I don't think I've ever seen a consensus. It varies quite a bit when you apply it to Who. The ULTIMA decoder is unambiguously a tool for the humans (and others). It fulfills none of the criteria. However, K9 Mark I was the property of Professor Marius, but possessed enough freedom of thought to go aboard the TARDIS of his own free will and later remain behind on Gallifrey. His successor even runs for a political position at one point. Something like Kamelion manages to be vaguer. He possesses intelligence and self-awareness, but it's debatable whether or not he possesses the capacity for self-determination or a "will" of his own.
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Post by number13 on May 16, 2017 21:01:53 GMT
OK I may have over-egged it a bit, but... The Private Sector Landlord is currently a capitalist 'hate figure' for the left (mind you I have seen some very bad examples on the TV news at times) and 'Smile' is partly a story about the 'unfairness' of profiting from the labour of others and a workers' revolt. That part didn't convince me (although I liked the story) because the 'workers' were not people with human rights, but machines built for a task. True, there wasn't actual money involved in Planet of the Spiders, but the Eight-Legs were grossly profiting from the excess production value of 'their' enslaved Two-Legs (losing almost everything they produced and even being eaten!) - until the Doctor turns up to free them, all crystals and karate! That's what Smile was trying to say, I think, but the moral argument didn't work for me with robots instead of people. The colonists had built those robots, they owned them as I own my car and computer. Ah, there's a thorny quandary, affirmations and rebuttals arguing the criteria for electronic sentience. I don't think I've ever seen a consensus. It varies quite a bit when you apply it to Who. The ULTIMA decoder is unambiguously a tool for the humans (and others). It fulfills none of the criteria. However, K9 Mark I was the property of Professor Marius, but possessed enough freedom of thought to go aboard the TARDIS of his own free will and later remain behind on Gallifrey. His successor even runs for a political position at one point. Something like Kamelion manages to be vaguer. He possesses intelligence and self-awareness, but it's debatable whether or not he possesses the capacity for self-determination or a "will" of his own. Of course K-9 is sentient and has free will! The very idea! I think Prof. Marius got more than he bargained for - he set out to build a clever robot dog but was so brilliant that he accidentally created electronic life. And the Doctor and Romana, two experts in alien life, always treated the different K-9s as the third member of the crew, a new species in effect. Whereas Kamelion was best left in that cupboard, a gadget and a very annoying one! And the Doctor finally TCE'd it without hesitation. I think the emojiibots were about its level of intelligence? Though far more useful in their design! Elsewhere, Mr. Data and Zen are clearly sentient, the Star Wars droids are I think just clever machines?
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 5:58:08 GMT
Ah, there's a thorny quandary, affirmations and rebuttals arguing the criteria for electronic sentience. I don't think I've ever seen a consensus. It varies quite a bit when you apply it to Who. The ULTIMA decoder is unambiguously a tool for the humans (and others). It fulfills none of the criteria. However, K9 Mark I was the property of Professor Marius, but possessed enough freedom of thought to go aboard the TARDIS of his own free will and later remain behind on Gallifrey. His successor even runs for a political position at one point. Something like Kamelion manages to be vaguer. He possesses intelligence and self-awareness, but it's debatable whether or not he possesses the capacity for self-determination or a "will" of his own. Of course K-9 is sentient and has free will! The very idea! I think Prof. Marius got more than he bargained for - he set out to build a clever robot dog but was so brilliant that he accidentally created electronic life. And the Doctor and Romana, two experts in alien life, always treated the different K-9s as the third member of the crew, a new species in effect. Whereas Kamelion was best left in that cupboard, a gadget and a very annoying one! And the Doctor finally TCE'd it without hesitation. I think the emojiibots were about its level of intelligence? Though far more useful in their design! Elsewhere, Mr. Data and Zen are clearly sentient, the Star Wars droids are I think just clever machines? There's a lot of debate regarding the Star Wars robots. Their memories are frequently wiped to prevent "quirks" from turning up and there are certain characters who demonstrate proper sentience by acting on their own merit. HK-47 believes his assassination protocols are an extension of his spirit, a form of art in its own way. T3-M4 acts to preserve Revan's secret of its own free will and has developed a certain irascibility of its own. Kamelion's a bit harder because he asks to be destroyed and deliberately fights the Master's control. How much of that is down to Peri isn't quite clear. He'd be pretty useful in a war as a spy, someone who could emulate anyone with the correct application of will. All without putting your operative in danger. A bipedal drone almost. And then of course, there's the TARDIS itself. Something which the Doctor believes in the beginning to be incapable of thought, which paints an interesting view of early Gallifreyan history actually.
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Post by sherlock on May 17, 2017 9:30:42 GMT
Of course K-9 is sentient and has free will! The very idea! I think Prof. Marius got more than he bargained for - he set out to build a clever robot dog but was so brilliant that he accidentally created electronic life. And the Doctor and Romana, two experts in alien life, always treated the different K-9s as the third member of the crew, a new species in effect. Whereas Kamelion was best left in that cupboard, a gadget and a very annoying one! And the Doctor finally TCE'd it without hesitation. I think the emojiibots were about its level of intelligence? Though far more useful in their design! Elsewhere, Mr. Data and Zen are clearly sentient, the Star Wars droids are I think just clever machines? There's a lot of debate regarding the Star Wars robots. Their memories are frequently wiped to prevent "quirks" from turning up and there are certain characters who demonstrate proper sentience by acting on their own merit. HK-47 believes his assassination protocols are an extension of his spirit, a form of art in its own way. T3-M4 acts to preserve Revan's secret of its own free will and has developed a certain irascibility of its own. Kamelion's a bit harder because he asks to be destroyed and deliberately fights the Master's control. How much of that is down to Peri isn't quite clear. He'd be pretty useful in a war as a spy, someone who could emulate anyone with the correct application of will. All without putting your operative in danger. A bipedal drone almost. And then of course, there's the TARDIS itself. Something which the Doctor believes in the beginning to be incapable of thought, which paints an interesting view of early Gallifreyan history actually. Well regarding Star Wars Marvel did a one-shot comic featuring C-3PO in which he and load of other droids ponder this whilst trapped. One of the trapped droids is a First Order droid and they reflect that due to the memory wipes they could well have been on the same side once. It's a surprisingly good comic. I think Kamelion develops some sentience. During The King's Demons he is just the Master's pet but by Planet of Fire he makes his own choices (such as asking to be destroyed). Perhaps the period he spent under no-one's control (since the Doctor would certainly not try to assert mental control over him) allowed him to develop some form of sentience. The TARDIS is different though as we are expliclity told it's a living being of some description at various points. The Doctor himself actually changes his view on its sentience, disbelieving it in his early days, so perhaps the Time Lords simply don't believe they're sentient and the Doctor only figured this out by spending so much time travelling in one. (Far more than a usual Time Lord would) Plus there's also the possibility the Doctor's TARDIS is slightly more sentient than normal, after all none of the other TARDISes we've seen seem able to act individually as much.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on May 17, 2017 10:45:14 GMT
Tdp reviwe should be out in next few hours.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on May 17, 2017 10:58:32 GMT
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Post by TinDogPodcast on May 17, 2017 10:59:44 GMT
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Post by theotherjosh on May 30, 2017 18:53:49 GMT
Finally watched this one over the weekend! Jamie Mathieson is pretty great. I don’t think this episode is quite as good as Mummy, but that’s a very high bar. Certainly in the same league.
I liked the goofy looking helmets in the beginning. In my headcanon, they’re made from the same material as Zoe’s bubble wrap dress from the Five Doctors. The force field effect was nice looking too.
I was worried that the spacesuits would be too similar to the suits from Silence in the Library, but they didn’t come across that way. The spacesuit zombies were nicely unsettling.
My daughter loved that the Doctor has a male companion and she gave Bill the highest compliment she could imagine, anointing her “The New Donna”.
It wasn’t a subtle piece. My daughter suggested that they should have called it “Capitalism in spaaaaace!” I thought they were going for something else, because the betrayal from the corporation seemed to be exactly what I’d expect. That’s not a complaint. I’d certainly prefer something this to something like Smile, where the climax is almost completely unconnected to what’s been established previously.
On one hand, I like the effort put into world-building, what with things being measured in breaths, but that doesn’t seem practical, because it’s such a variable quality useful only in a very specific set of circumstances.
Abby and the other survivor are doomed right? If your job tried to kill you by remote control and you show up unexpectedly at HQ, they’re not going to say, “Oh, how delightful! This way to the suggestion box!” I love that this was acknowledged at the end.
Not sure what I think about the Doctor’s blindness. Peter Capaldi looks entirely too much like the Corinthian from Sandman when he’s peering over his sunglasses at me. Also, I understand that they’re the (ugh) Sonic Sunglasses, but wearing sunglasses indoors is hardly the best way to disguise your blindness.
It might not seem like it because my complaints are specific and my praise rather general, but I liked this one a lot. Great supporting cast, cracking dialogue, excellent pacing.
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Post by mrperson on May 30, 2017 23:42:07 GMT
On one hand, I like the effort put into world-building, what with things being measured in breaths, but that doesn’t seem practical, because it’s such a variable quality useful only in a very specific set of circumstances. That did get me. Or did it. I was just going to say this: If you really were a super-evil money making entity, you would go with something like volume. But then I thought of saying: unless you were to do something to cause people to use up what you make them pay for at a faster rate, in which case, you would do something to deliberately scare them. Like what? Like making suits march around with dead occupants inside, doing stuff that involved killing you. In which case, you really would base the oxygen consumption on breaths, as you would be betting that few people would be composed enough to force themselves to take deep breaths with long pauses while running from a corpse army. I'd say that's a fair bet. Few people would be composed enough to carefully regulate breath while running, while trying to plan how to survive a zombie suit-army attack. So maybe it does make sense. Yes, breaths vary in oxygen consumed per breath, and in oxygen over time based on breath rate. But, if you really do want to kill off your station quickly without using something like poison gas..... .....which raises a further question. How does a super super evil company come to be able to do this without oversight? Are we somewhere not too far after some sort of galactic catastrophe?
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Post by mrperson on May 30, 2017 23:45:28 GMT
Not sure what I think about the Doctor’s blindness. Peter Capaldi looks entirely too much like the Corinthian from Sandman when he’s peering over his sunglasses at me. Also, I understand that they’re the (ugh) Sonic Sunglasses, but wearing sunglasses indoors is hardly the best way to disguise your blindness. It might not seem like it because my complaints are specific and my praise rather general, but I liked this one a lot. Great supporting cast, cracking dialogue, excellent pacing. My problem with the blindness is that all he has to do is go to a far-future super-hospital and get them replaced or get some kind of fancy technology. Wait a minute, what do I say? Per "Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS", the TARDIS contains a machine that is beyond calculable value because that machine can build any other machine. So, apart from the need for a plot device, why can the TARDIS not build him mechanical eyes or contacts/glasses/something that gives him normal vision? "Any" means any, and they did say "Any" in that episode. I'm starting to think they need to hire a stickler for facts as cross-script/cross-season editor, to keep every claim in line.
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Post by elkawho on May 31, 2017 2:26:22 GMT
Not sure what I think about the Doctor’s blindness. Peter Capaldi looks entirely too much like the Corinthian from Sandman when he’s peering over his sunglasses at me. Also, I understand that they’re the (ugh) Sonic Sunglasses, but wearing sunglasses indoors is hardly the best way to disguise your blindness. YES!! So much yes. I knew he reminded me of something, but I couldn't put my finger on it. But you are right, so much like the Corinthian.
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