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Post by elkawho on May 31, 2017 2:23:00 GMT
Feeling rather ambivalent about this one; there was a great central story with some very good characters, but other elements which did not convince me. On the plus side: The Doctor, Bill and Nardole - I'm liking them even more as a team every week, great rapport and characterisations. (But the series clock is now at seven episodes to midnight and I don't want Peter Capaldi to go. ) The chain of random events accidentally leading to the end of the world, slowly, inexorably unfolding, though ultimately it was a plot device to put the Doctor's life in danger. The Doctor working with temporary 'companion' Erica in the lab - wouldn't she make a great TARDIS companion? The Monks - an enemy that wants you to willingly and selflessly submit to them; an excellent idea. And finally, Bill surrendering the world to save the Doctor's life against his will. A gripping climax and she convinced the Monks, but it wasn't quite selfless was it? Bill gives up the world to save the Doctor in the hope and expectation that he will then save the world. Her faith in him means she feels able to risk the world for his sake, a brilliant twist! So all that made for a great story and (classic-series fan that I am) I liked the slower pace that comes from having a three part story. BUT... How would the U.N. know where Bill was and that she was connected to the Doctor without also knowing where he was. And if they want her help, why burst into her flat pointing guns at her? For pointless dramatic effect presumably. Why is the Monks' ship disguised as a pyramid? To impress humans? Maybe, but a huge alien ship would have been impressive enough I'd have thought. Whatever happened to UNIT? Kate Stewart & co. should have been all over an event like that in nanoseconds. Can we drop the 'President of Earth' stuff please? The Doctor wouldn't take such an office and doesn't need it - he is highly capable of barging in and taking charge on any world that need his help, any time. The three armies. Again, what about UNIT and the cooperating Earth of other stories? Finally, I was very disappointed that the daring and moving storyline of the Doctor being blind was resolved as a mere practical problem (can't read some vital numbers) and was fixed by - there is no other word for it - magic. Which has no place in 'Doctor Who'. The same goes for 'I have made all the world's secret documents searchable' after three taps on two screens. Unless... unless they are still in the Monks' simulated world, where anything would be possible... I'd like to think that was the explanation of the 'magic moments', but I'm not holding out much hope. I watched this a second time and found that I liked it a lot more, which is odd since the plot holes were more apparent as well. I agree with all the positives you mention. Every single one. And I also agree with most, but not all, of your negatives. Especially dropping the "President of Earth" title. That goes against almost everything I believe The Doctor should be. But, why does Nardole pass out? Was he effected by the plague? That absolutely didn't make sense to me. Neither did the fact that the bacteria attacks all organic material, but doesn't seem to affect The Doctor? I know Timelords are hard to kill, but shouldn't he have started to regenerate or something?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 31, 2017 8:37:25 GMT
I agree with all the positives you mention. Every single one. And I also agree with most, but not all, of your negatives. Especially dropping the "President of Earth" title. That goes against almost everything I believe The Doctor should be. I don't see how. He was forced into the role, he didn't choose it. But, why does Nardole pass out? Was he effected by the plague? That absolutely didn't make sense to me. Neither did the fact that the bacteria attacks all organic material, but doesn't seem to affect The Doctor? I know Timelords are hard to kill, but shouldn't he have started to regenerate or something?[/quote] The same as how plagues and illnesses that affect dogs don't always affect us. The Doctor has different biology. Also not convinced Nardole was infected by it. There was smoke coming from the TARDIS. I think that's what made him pass out.
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Post by theotherjosh on May 31, 2017 13:27:32 GMT
I didn’t hate this one like I did Extremis, but I think Pyramid had a show-stopping problem, and that was consent. Moffat has always struggled with the idea. It might be rose-tinted nostalgia, but I don’t remember Hartnell or Troughton kissing a lesbian against her will or seizing an ex-girlfriend and sticking a tongue down her throat. Consent has to be voluntary. It can’t be made under duress. That’s all there is to it. And the power imbalance is such that any situation involving omnipotent aliens is going to be inherently coercive. And one could argue that the aliens are perverting the intent of the word (they are, after all, the baddies) , but I really don’t think it was the case. Even accepting arguendo the premise that they are using consent as we would understand it, I fail to see how Bill is not acting out of fear. I hate to reference the Star Wars prequels, but the novelization of RotS makes it very clear precisely how Anakin was doomed by his fear. To the universe, he is the fabled hero with no fear, but in the small hours of the day, he's a little boy with a dragon in his heart that whispers to him that everything dies. Eventually, he is eaten alive by that fear and with full knowledge of what he is doing, he embraces the Dark Side because he’s too scared to face it. He accepts his new identity, saying “I am Darth Vader,” and crushes the whispering dragon in his heart. He turns his back on every emotion that made him human, and the chapter concludes with “He had become, finally, what they all called him. The Hero with no Fear.” Awesome. (It certainly works better than the portrayal in the movie, “I’m going to call you Darth…Vader. Go forth and kill me some younglings.” His fall there was so abrupt that I was imagining the repairman from the one Halloween Simpsons “Yup, here's your problem. Someone set this thing to ``Evil'') The epilogue is even better. Anakin realizes that there was never any Vader. Vader was just a lie he told himself to make it easier. It was always him. Only Anakin. Also, the language used is sloppy. Strategy, surrender and love describe different things and are not mutually exclusive. Certainly room for significant overlap there. Certainly between love and fear. Especially between love and fear. Also, the monks look like rubbish. Doesn’t Doctor Who have enough monks already? I did rather like the line about the corpses, but that wasn’t nearly enough to save this episode. I was really enjoying the season up until now. This and Extremis are like a record scratch in episode form. The President of Earth thing is just so dumb. Kind of hope that he gets impeached after releasing every top secret document in the world online, but I don’t think he will, because my reset-button-sense is tingling. Pretty sure that the fallout from that will be only marginally less devastating than an alien invasion. The decision was foregone, making the episode somewhat pointless. I think stories where the audience can see the outline of the conclusion early on can work. It’s done wonderfully in one of the Companion Chronicles {Spoiler} Mastermind , and the creeping dread is genuinely unsettling as we see the heroes creep ever closer to a doom they can’t avoid. But an essential component is that you have to care about the journey. We know the lab is going to be the source of the outbreak, and anyone who has seen more than a handful of stories has at least a general idea how the whole thing is going to play out. To an extent, every story is the product of artifice, constructed in such a manner as to take you from the beginning to the conclusion in the most efficient and entertaining way. They don’t spring fully formed from the mind of the author. Good stories obfuscate this, and make the consequences seem like the natural outgrowth of actions that characters would logically perform. But here, it was so obvious from the word go that Bill was going to “consent” to the Monks, so the entire episode seemed like filler as she was maneuvered into that position. There was no tension and no surprises. I could have seen this ending if I was as blind as the Doctor. I guess the deleted scene makes the Doctor’s deduction look a little bit less like this exchange… Batman: [reads the first riddle] What has yellow skin and writes? Robin: A ball-point banana! Batman: [reads the second riddle] What people are always in a hurry? Robin: Rushing people... Russians! Batman: So this means... Robin: Someone Russian is going to slip on a banana and break their neck! Batman: Precisely, Robin! …but I’m not judging the script as it exists in perfect form in Moffat’s mind. I can only go by what I saw. I did like the character of Erica. Her height was never an issue or a punchline. (Though what kind of dummy doesn’t use a hard case for what’s apparently her only pair of glasses?) I wouldn’t mind seeing her a companion. I took a job in a laboratory when I was in college. The week I left, someone broke a liquid in glass thermometer and it was still sitting on the lab bench when I left that Friday. I thought, “Wow, safety standards are lax around here!” but at least nobody picked up huge fistfuls of some unknown toxic substance and carried it around the building. (And if I’ve learned anything from playing Plague Inc, the outbreak’s going to stall before it can infect Greenland)
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 18:18:56 GMT
I agree with all the positives you mention. Every single one. And I also agree with most, but not all, of your negatives. Especially dropping the "President of Earth" title. That goes against almost everything I believe The Doctor should be. I don't see how. He was forced into the role, he didn't choose it. But, why does Nardole pass out? Was he effected by the plague? That absolutely didn't make sense to me. Neither did the fact that the bacteria attacks all organic material, but doesn't seem to affect The Doctor? I know Timelords are hard to kill, but shouldn't he have started to regenerate or something? The same as how plagues and illnesses that affect dogs don't always affect us. The Doctor has different biology. Also not convinced Nardole was infected by it. There was smoke coming from the TARDIS. I think that's what made him pass out.[/quote] You can't force someone to be in charge. All he has to do is say "this is your planet, you have to make the decisions". My issue is that Moffat is never consistent on this point, the Doctor just takes whatever stance fits the story and it weakens the character. And I think they telegraphed pretty clearly that Nardole was affected by the toxin. The Doctor told him to het in the TARDIS because he had human lungs so was vulnerable.
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Post by number13 on May 31, 2017 18:31:19 GMT
Feeling rather ambivalent about this one; there was a great central story with some very good characters, but other elements which did not convince me. On the plus side: The Doctor, Bill and Nardole - I'm liking them even more as a team every week, great rapport and characterisations. (But the series clock is now at seven episodes to midnight and I don't want Peter Capaldi to go. ) The chain of random events accidentally leading to the end of the world, slowly, inexorably unfolding, though ultimately it was a plot device to put the Doctor's life in danger. The Doctor working with temporary 'companion' Erica in the lab - wouldn't she make a great TARDIS companion? The Monks - an enemy that wants you to willingly and selflessly submit to them; an excellent idea. And finally, Bill surrendering the world to save the Doctor's life against his will. A gripping climax and she convinced the Monks, but it wasn't quite selfless was it? Bill gives up the world to save the Doctor in the hope and expectation that he will then save the world. Her faith in him means she feels able to risk the world for his sake, a brilliant twist! So all that made for a great story and (classic-series fan that I am) I liked the slower pace that comes from having a three part story. BUT... How would the U.N. know where Bill was and that she was connected to the Doctor without also knowing where he was. And if they want her help, why burst into her flat pointing guns at her? For pointless dramatic effect presumably. Why is the Monks' ship disguised as a pyramid? To impress humans? Maybe, but a huge alien ship would have been impressive enough I'd have thought. Whatever happened to UNIT? Kate Stewart & co. should have been all over an event like that in nanoseconds. Can we drop the 'President of Earth' stuff please? The Doctor wouldn't take such an office and doesn't need it - he is highly capable of barging in and taking charge on any world that need his help, any time. The three armies. Again, what about UNIT and the cooperating Earth of other stories? Finally, I was very disappointed that the daring and moving storyline of the Doctor being blind was resolved as a mere practical problem (can't read some vital numbers) and was fixed by - there is no other word for it - magic. Which has no place in 'Doctor Who'. The same goes for 'I have made all the world's secret documents searchable' after three taps on two screens. Unless... unless they are still in the Monks' simulated world, where anything would be possible... I'd like to think that was the explanation of the 'magic moments', but I'm not holding out much hope. I watched this a second time and found that I liked it a lot more, which is odd since the plot holes were more apparent as well. I agree with all the positives you mention. Every single one. And I also agree with most, but not all, of your negatives. Especially dropping the "President of Earth" title. That goes against almost everything I believe The Doctor should be. But, why does Nardole pass out? Was he effected by the plague? That absolutely didn't make sense to me. Neither did the fact that the bacteria attacks all organic material, but doesn't seem to affect The Doctor? I know Timelords are hard to kill, but shouldn't he have started to regenerate or something? The Doctor said Nardole was 'human enough' to be in danger, so presumably his people were at least partly descended from human colonists. Also, the Doctor did say he bought his (Nardole's) lungs 'on the cheap' so maybe bits of him are actually human! I thought he was partly android, but maybe Nardole is more like a friendly version of the monster in 'The Brain of Morbius'! I assumed the bacteria (being Earth bacteria) would compost any other organisms that belong on the same Earth-evolved 'tree of life' - I believe I am about 75% similar to a tree, genetically speaking. The Doctor must have a totally different and incompatible biochemistry and genetics, so the bacteria didn't even 'see' him as living. Good job he wasn't "half human" after all!
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Post by barnabaslives on Jun 1, 2017 5:09:11 GMT
It may become a sticking point with me before this story is over, whether blowing up a lab is the best way to contain a virulent bacterium, or the best way to let it out. Hard to tell, really - I think we have relatively little experience using explosives as antiseptics. It may get worked out, though - I started today's catch-up marathon with Smile, where we eventually learned that blowing the place up may not always be the best idea (maybe we'll find out more about why there's a pyramid at the end of the world, too). I just so far think it's preposterous to blow the place up rather than simply finding a way to shut off the ventilation system or projecting a force bubble out of the TARDIS, or something less gratuititously dramatic.
Aside from that, for me it's been a remarkably solid season all the way through so far. This has to be my favorite season with Capaldi ever already. I'm going to hate to see him go, but especially after this.
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Post by mrperson on Jun 1, 2017 18:25:37 GMT
Well, ok, on further thought:
1. Yeah, kind of stupid that Bill's choice would be considered "pure" using their test. She's obviously afraid, sad, panicked - literally wide-eyed panic. She practically starts crying at the monk. Besides, the monk says "we must be loved"....it's not love for anyone else, in any sense.
2. I don't know that it was that obvious to me that that is what would happen. The 43-45 minute format usually leads to a rushed ending where the Doctor wraps things up with a last-minute solution, and that did largely seem to be where it was headed with the lab.
3. Blowing up the place conventionally: bad idea. You'd want to generate a sustained firestorm around the place for days or weeks on end, perhaps even use a small nuke, if escaped bacteria literally would end all life on the planet.
Most importantly, I just went back and watched the scene in the lab preceding Bill's decision to ask for help.
4. Why didn't the Doctor see if he could feel the number on the lock? First of all, it looks as though they are inset in the dial, though I can't be sure because the camera doesn't focus directly on them except for the briefest instant when he first tries to scan it with his screwdriver, but. He tries spinning the dials, but it doesn't look like he's trying to feel an outline to the paint).
A. If they are painted, the paint should stick out even a little tiny bit. He doesn't even try to feel them with his heightened TL senses.
B. The emergency protocol had never been activated, therefore the lock would never have been used, therefore one would expect it to be 0-0-0-0. He tries spinning the combination on that assumption.
C. Why is there even a lock to get OUT of the lab? That doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. The workers know the combination, so it couldn't possibly serve the only conceivable purpose of stopping someone who has infected themselves with something accidentally from getting out and infecting others. You'd want security protocols designed to stop people getting in, and you'd want protocols to stop infected people from getting out. The latter would not be a lock everyone knows the combination to.
D. It's metal. The sonic works on metal. That does not look like a purely mechanical combination lock, hence the red light above it indicating it is locked. There should be some very simple chip in place to tell the light when to light up (though it's not 100% necessary; I suppose you could design it so that only the correct numbers in each place have a little bump on top, such that a circuit is completed only when they're in the right place. BUT, then the Doctor would be able to hear a faint click when the right number got in position). Issue in parentheses ruled out, the sonic should be able to tell the simple circuit falsely that the combination is correct. It's a magic wand these days.
E. I also don't see why he couldn't get the sonic to at least try spinning the dials very fast to see if it could hit the right sequence in time, at random (the glasses could help in tandem). There are 10,000 possible combinations, but hey.....if you're going to die give it a shot. Don't just stand there puttering around. It'd probably be pointless to do it by hand, but, yeah...
E. Honestly. The glasses. Why so useless? As I said: just have the TARDIS generate something super-fancy that gives him normal vision, assuming the zero room doesn't fix things up.
F. In Extremis, AI-Doctor "borrows" from a future regeneration (which the monks know about because...?) to restore temporary vision. Is he really not going to think of that now?
G. 11 blew up an entire Dalek fleet with regeneration energy (UGH, don't get me started on that). Why can't he just blow up the lock, blow out the glass or something?
H. And to break a rule for presentation of arguments, I'll finish with my strongest point: The glasses show the black-painted horizontal dash marks between each dial! I'm looking at the scene right now. There is no reason why they would show that black paint but not the same black paint used to make the numbers!
(It also shouldn't show the painted dashes at all because all the glasses do is show limited outlines of nearby objects' physical shape; hence he couldn't simply read the Veritas).
Yeah, I do wish they thought this stuff through. It is extremely rare - I cannot think of an instance right now - where I listen to a Big Finish episode and say "hey wait a minute. That made zero sense"; at worst it's simply that an incredibly improbable tactic works, which is kind of part of the lead's mythos rather than a problem....
I still enjoyed it quite a bit. I'm not sure I can put my finger on exactly what is affecting my view of the show, but I think series 9 is damn good overall. I'm just not rolling my eyes or visibly wincing at something I consider really bad.
Finally, I like the fact that they'll have a writer's room under Chinball, but I think they really need to have someone who specifically checks scripts to make sure they are consistent with prior episodes in terms of the capabilities of various items/persons.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Jun 1, 2017 20:20:24 GMT
I've still not seen this one. Never mind recorded a review!
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Post by glutamodo on Jun 1, 2017 23:03:30 GMT
I was wondering why I'd not see a metallic canine's perspective yet!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 4:23:39 GMT
Yeah, I do wish they thought this stuff through. It is extremely rare - I cannot think of an instance right now - where I listen to a Big Finish episode and say "hey wait a minute. That made zero sense"; at worst it's simply that an incredibly improbable tactic works, which is kind of part of the lead's mythos rather than a problem.... I still enjoyed it quite a bit. I'm not sure I can put my finger on exactly what is affecting my view of the show, but I think series 9 is damn good overall. I'm just not rolling my eyes or visibly wincing at something I consider really bad. I've been thinking along similar lines and the first word that seems to leap to mind is that it's... thoughtful. It doesn't feel as though it's playing to a particular trend outside of the show (the metatext is strong with this era) and it genuinely feels as though it's about the Doctor this time. In that very lovely way that Season 26 was all about the Doctor even though the stories dealt a lot with Ace and her past. The Twelfth Doctor actually feels like a genuinely well-formed character this season rather than a collection of attributes that show what he's not. Couple that with two genuinely fun companion characters and standalone stories that feel as though they still matter and... Well, all in all, this has been a nice swansong for a period of the show that I really struggled to get along with.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 2, 2017 8:52:28 GMT
Yeah, I do wish they thought this stuff through. It is extremely rare - I cannot think of an instance right now - where I listen to a Big Finish episode and say "hey wait a minute. That made zero sense"; at worst it's simply that an incredibly improbable tactic works, which is kind of part of the lead's mythos rather than a problem.... I still enjoyed it quite a bit. I'm not sure I can put my finger on exactly what is affecting my view of the show, but I think series 9 is damn good overall. I'm just not rolling my eyes or visibly wincing at something I consider really bad. I've been thinking along similar lines and the first word that seems to leap to mind is that it's... thoughtful. It doesn't feel as though it's playing to a particular trend outside of the show (the metatext is strong with this era) and it genuinely feels as though it's about the Doctor this time. In that very lovely way that Season 26 was all about the Doctor even though the stories dealt a lot with Ace and her past. The Twelfth Doctor actually feels like a genuinely well-formed character this season rather than a collection of attributes that show what he's not. Couple that with two genuinely fun companion characters and standalone stories that feel as though they still matter and... Well, all in all, this has been a nice swansong for a period of the show that I really struggled to get along with. It's never about The Doctor. It's the companion's story.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 9:57:06 GMT
I've been thinking along similar lines and the first word that seems to leap to mind is that it's... thoughtful. It doesn't feel as though it's playing to a particular trend outside of the show (the metatext is strong with this era) and it genuinely feels as though it's about the Doctor this time. In that very lovely way that Season 26 was all about the Doctor even though the stories dealt a lot with Ace and her past. The Twelfth Doctor actually feels like a genuinely well-formed character this season rather than a collection of attributes that show what he's not. Couple that with two genuinely fun companion characters and standalone stories that feel as though they still matter and... Well, all in all, this has been a nice swansong for a period of the show that I really struggled to get along with. It's never about The Doctor. It's the companion's story. The Deadly Assassin?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 2, 2017 10:52:20 GMT
It's never about The Doctor. It's the companion's story. The Deadly Assassin? There are one-off companion-lite stories/episodes but the show is generally the companion's story rather than The Doctor's.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 12:17:17 GMT
There are one-off companion-lite stories/episodes but the show is generally the companion's story rather than The Doctor's. Depends what you mean by the companion's story. There's an enormous gap between what is considered a viewpoint and a focus character in fiction. The difference between Watson and Holmes. There's also the show's title Doctor Who, which would imply a focus on this time traveller that we see year-after-year rather than the companions who come and go as time dictates. Let's not understate their importance, companions definitely contribute to the stories, but the drive, the main thrust of the whole series centres around the Doctor. He stole the TARDIS, he travels on and off the Earth and he is often the deciding factor in these tales.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 2, 2017 12:21:31 GMT
There are one-off companion-lite stories/episodes but the show is generally the companion's story rather than The Doctor's. Depends what you mean by the companion's story. There's an enormous gap between what is considered a viewpoint and a focus character in fiction. The difference between Watson and Holmes. There's also the show's title Doctor Who, which would imply a focus on this time traveller that we see year-after-year rather than the companions who come and go as time dictates. Let's not understate their importance, companions definitely contribute to the stories, but the drive, the main thrust of the whole series centres around the Doctor. He stole the TARDIS, he travels on and off the Earth and he is often the deciding factor in these tales. To me, Doctor Who is more like Pirates of the Caribbean than Sherlock Holmes. In Pirates, if you make Jack the central character he loses some of his charm. In Doctor Who, if you make it too much about The Doctor you lose some of the mystery. Also: if you look at every season/series of the show and the TV Movie the companion is always the main focus.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 12:42:16 GMT
Depends what you mean by the companion's story. There's an enormous gap between what is considered a viewpoint and a focus character in fiction. The difference between Watson and Holmes. There's also the show's title Doctor Who, which would imply a focus on this time traveller that we see year-after-year rather than the companions who come and go as time dictates. Let's not understate their importance, companions definitely contribute to the stories, but the drive, the main thrust of the whole series centres around the Doctor. He stole the TARDIS, he travels on and off the Earth and he is often the deciding factor in these tales. To me, Doctor Who is more like Pirates of the Caribbean than Sherlock Holmes. In Pirates, if you make Jack the central character he loses some of his charm. In Doctor Who, if you make it too much about The Doctor you lose some of the mystery. Also: if you look at every season/series of the show and the TV Movie the companion is always the main focus. He is the central character for those films though. All of them, right from the first. The difference there is that Will Turner and Elizabeth Swan both rotate acting as viewpoint characters. Because it's not about the Turners, everything gets instigated in one form or another because of Jack's passive involvement or active interference.
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Post by number13 on Jun 2, 2017 12:50:57 GMT
To me, Doctor Who is more like Pirates of the Caribbean than Sherlock Holmes. In Pirates, if you make Jack the central character he loses some of his charm. In Doctor Who, if you make it too much about The Doctor you lose some of the mystery. Also: if you look at every season/series of the show and the TV Movie the companion is always the main focus. He is the central character for those films though. All of them, right from the first. The difference there is that Will Turner and Elizabeth Swan both rotate acting as viewpoint characters. Because it's not about the Turners, everything gets instigated in one form or another because of Jack's passive involvement or active interference. Jack is eccentric (ahem) but a brilliant schemer at the centre of events, travels around randomly on a stolen Ship, loses his companions, mixes with strange & powerful beings and has come back from the dead at least once... Oh!.... Jack Sparrow for the 13th Doctor! (#Yo ho, yo ho, a Time Lord's lives for me....#) (Actually, didn't Patrick Troughton initially suggest playing it something like that - as a buccaneering sea captain?)
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Post by sherlock on Jun 2, 2017 12:53:44 GMT
Depends what you mean by the companion's story. There's an enormous gap between what is considered a viewpoint and a focus character in fiction. The difference between Watson and Holmes. There's also the show's title Doctor Who, which would imply a focus on this time traveller that we see year-after-year rather than the companions who come and go as time dictates. Let's not understate their importance, companions definitely contribute to the stories, but the drive, the main thrust of the whole series centres around the Doctor. He stole the TARDIS, he travels on and off the Earth and he is often the deciding factor in these tales. To me, Doctor Who is more like Pirates of the Caribbean than Sherlock Holmes. In Pirates, if you make Jack the central character he loses some of his charm. In Doctor Who, if you make it too much about The Doctor you lose some of the mystery. Also: if you look at every season/series of the show and the TV Movie the companion is always the main focus. In the TV Movie Grace doesn't appear till a good 10-15 minutes in, she's hardly the main focus. The story begins with the seventh Doctor. Doctor Who is both the companion and the Doctor's story-they intertwine. Yes initially it was conceived as the 'Ian and Barbara' show but the focus has shifted. Its like Sherlock Holmes. Those stories are both focused on Sherlock and Watson.
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Post by theotherjosh on Jun 2, 2017 14:03:49 GMT
Jack is eccentric (ahem) but a brilliant schemer at the centre of events, travels around randomly on a stolen Ship, loses his companions, mixes with strange & powerful beings and has come back from the dead at least once... Oh!.... Jack Sparrow for the 13th Doctor! (#Yo ho, yo ho, a Time Lord's lives for me....#) I caught a Skype address at a con where Tom Baker said that he would have liked to have seen Johnny Depp as the Doctor, and James Gandolfini as the Master, which was cool to learn.
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Post by bobod on Jun 2, 2017 14:28:12 GMT
That's transparently untrue.
The Graham Williams era blows that out the water for a start. And season 24 is hardly 'The Story of Mel'.
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