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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 23:15:04 GMT
Jack is eccentric (ahem) but a brilliant schemer at the centre of events, travels around randomly on a stolen Ship, loses his companions, mixes with strange & powerful beings and has come back from the dead at least once... Oh!.... Jack Sparrow for the 13th Doctor! (#Yo ho, yo ho, a Time Lord's lives for me....#) (Actually, didn't Patrick Troughton initially suggest playing it something like that - as a buccaneering sea captain?) "M'lad -- if indeed you are a lad, unfashionable light, y'see -- there were these dozen figures... Hmm... There were these dozen... Y'know, I'm sure I had a point to this somewhere. Damnable thing. More grog?" Mmm... Troughton wasn't particularly enamoured with the Holmesian figure initially presented in Power and the then producer was unhappy with the depiction of the Doctor as this war-scarred survivor. The initial idea behind the renewal was in part that he'd be forced to relive what made him leave his homeworld in the first place. Some terrible war potentially with the Daleks who were implied to be responsible for its subjugation, if not outright destruction. I think some of the ideas floated around by Troughton initially were this gruff, Nemo-like figure or a piratical, bearded Arabian Nights figure with a turban. It was Sidney Newman who eventually suggested the Chaplain-esque figure that the Second Doctor is known for today.
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Post by Ela on Jun 6, 2017 3:44:20 GMT
Hello again. There were some plot holes particularly in the world's most shoddy biological hazards laboratory. I liked the two actors playing the scientists though. And how! Very shoddy. The Andromeda Strain also points out the possibility of bacterium coming from space on cosmic debris. A probe that fails to burn up in the atmosphere or an asteroid that impacts just outside New York, Beijing, St. Petersburg, Sydney... It doesn't even have to be a terrestrial creation in order to be a threat. Both on and above the Earth, it's a chillingly real danger. Honestly, my fear is that someone gets crazy enough to do it on purpose. The Andromeda Strain had a lot of holes in it from the point of view of actual biology. Just saying.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 4:28:08 GMT
The Andromeda Strain also points out the possibility of bacterium coming from space on cosmic debris. A probe that fails to burn up in the atmosphere or an asteroid that impacts just outside New York, Beijing, St. Petersburg, Sydney... It doesn't even have to be a terrestrial creation in order to be a threat. Both on and above the Earth, it's a chillingly real danger. Honestly, my fear is that someone gets crazy enough to do it on purpose. The Andromeda Strain had a lot of holes in it from the point of view of actual biology. Just saying. True... Well, 1969. Our knowledge about such an idea was extremely primitive. We went up into space with computers that had memory stores no larger than a floppy disk. Let's just say that if Wildfire does exist nowadays, the safeguards in place would put the book/film to shame. An analogue to Andromeda could very well exist though, the panspermia hypotheses for example (e.g. bug-infested rock meets planet and has a party). The existence of extremophiles at deep sea level also points to the possibility. Fortunately, that's all it is at the moment. A possibility.
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Post by Ela on Jun 6, 2017 4:32:12 GMT
The Andromeda Strain had a lot of holes in it from the point of view of actual biology. Just saying. True... Well, 1969. Our knowledge about such an idea was extremely primitive. We went up into space with computers that had memory stores no larger than a floppy disk. Let's just say that if Wildfire does exist nowadays, the safeguards in place would put the book/film to shame. An analogue to Andromeda could very well exist though, the panspermia hypotheses for example (e.g. bug-infested rock meets planet and has a party). The existence of extremophiles at deep sea level also points to the possibility. Fortunately, that's all it is at the moment. A possibility. Even for 1969, the Andromeda Strain had holes so big with respect to what was known biologically back then that you could have driven a truck through them. In general, I find Michael Crichton's books weak from the standpoint of actual known biology of his day. They're pretty much fantasy pretending to be science.
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Post by Ela on Jun 6, 2017 4:35:44 GMT
I'm not saying, by the way, that there is no risk from unknown and/or extraterrestrial bugs. Clearly the possibility exists. I'm just saying don't use Michael Crichton's writing as a reference point, cause it ain't science.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 5:16:55 GMT
I'm not saying, by the way, that there is no risk from unknown and/or extraterrestrial bugs. Clearly the possibility exists. I'm just saying don't use Michael Crichton's writing as a reference point, cause it ain't science. Jurassic Park, natch. One cannot spawn dinosaurs from preserved fossils. It's a good reference point in terms of pop culture though, kinda like the Force and the Dao. The two are very different in detail (the Force can have shape, while the Dao is always shapeless), but as a broad explanation of an all-pervading life force, it's a nice jumping on point.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Jun 7, 2017 5:00:58 GMT
Jack is eccentric (ahem) but a brilliant schemer at the centre of events, travels around randomly on a stolen Ship, loses his companions, mixes with strange & powerful beings and has come back from the dead at least once... Oh!.... Jack Sparrow for the 13th Doctor! (#Yo ho, yo ho, a Time Lord's lives for me....#) (Actually, didn't Patrick Troughton initially suggest playing it something like that - as a buccaneering sea captain?) "M'lad -- if indeed you are a lad, unfashionable light, y'see -- there were these dozen figures... Hmm... There were these dozen... Y'know, I'm sure I had a point to this somewhere. Damnable thing. More grog?" Mmm... Troughton wasn't particularly enamoured with the Holmesian figure initially presented in Power and the then producer was unhappy with the depiction of the Doctor as this war-scarred survivor. The initial idea behind the renewal was in part that he'd be forced to relive what made him leave his homeworld in the first place. Some terrible war potentially with the Daleks who were implied to be responsible for its subjugation, if not outright destruction. I think some of the ideas floated around by Troughton initially were this gruff, Nemo-like figure or a piratical, bearded Arabian Nights figure with a turban. It was Sidney Newman who eventually suggested the Chaplain-esque figure that the Second Doctor is known for today. Can I just say that I actually really preferred the Power version of the Doctor over Troughton's later take? Not that I don't like the later take, but the shifty, manipulative Holmesian war-scarred survivor is more my cup of tea and I'd have liked to see a little more of that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 6:35:16 GMT
"M'lad -- if indeed you are a lad, unfashionable light, y'see -- there were these dozen figures... Hmm... There were these dozen... Y'know, I'm sure I had a point to this somewhere. Damnable thing. More grog?" Mmm... Troughton wasn't particularly enamoured with the Holmesian figure initially presented in Power and the then producer was unhappy with the depiction of the Doctor as this war-scarred survivor. The initial idea behind the renewal was in part that he'd be forced to relive what made him leave his homeworld in the first place. Some terrible war potentially with the Daleks who were implied to be responsible for its subjugation, if not outright destruction. I think some of the ideas floated around by Troughton initially were this gruff, Nemo-like figure or a piratical, bearded Arabian Nights figure with a turban. It was Sidney Newman who eventually suggested the Chaplain-esque figure that the Second Doctor is known for today. Can I just say that I actually really preferred the Power version of the Doctor over Troughton's later take? Not that I don't like the later take, but the shifty, manipulative Holmesian war-scarred survivor is more my cup of tea and I'd have liked to see a little more of that. It certainly would've been a very, very interesting way to take the show and I think, fortunately, we got to see a bit of it realised in The Evil of the Daleks regardless. I think the perceived problem was that a shifty, manipulative and war-scarred survivor sounds quite a lot like the First Doctor. Pluck out Troughton and stick in Hartnell with that Holmesian streak and the image looks rather familiar. In fact, I think there was a "What if?" thread ages ago that asked what would've happened if X incarnation had left in Y story. The Power of the Daleks came up as a possible substitute for The Tenth Planet and with the original character work (and the shellshock a prelude to regeneration), it might've made for a very interesting departure story. Just who is this Doctor?
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Jun 7, 2017 7:16:52 GMT
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