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Post by aztec on May 27, 2017 20:53:33 GMT
LATE is a must Cheers Tony Especially if you want a genuine five doctors story And a 'technically it counts as-' eight Doctors story.
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Post by aztec on May 27, 2017 20:57:02 GMT
Purchased. Related question, these are noted as limited editions but did BF actually specify a number of copies when they were announced? TLATE was very popular and has often been on sale so I'm wondering if the 'limited' edition actually got repressed at one point...
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Post by mark687 on May 27, 2017 21:13:55 GMT
Purchased. Related question, these are noted as limited editions but did BF actually specify a number of copies when they were announced? TLATE was very popular and has often been on sale so I'm wondering if the 'limited' edition actually got repressed at one point... I wouldn't think so but they must be close to the 10000 limit by now.
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Post by ChildrenOfHúrin on May 27, 2017 21:30:32 GMT
Related question, these are noted as limited editions but did BF actually specify a number of copies when they were announced? TLATE was very popular and has often been on sale so I'm wondering if the 'limited' edition actually got repressed at one point... Each copy is marked with 'X out of 10000' on the back.
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Post by mark687 on May 27, 2017 21:44:11 GMT
Related question, these are noted as limited editions but did BF actually specify a number of copies when they were announced? TLATE was very popular and has often been on sale so I'm wondering if the 'limited' edition actually got repressed at one point... Each copy is marked with 'X out of 10000' on the back. an ongoing Thread I created to see what numbers have got
notthebigfinishforum.freeforums.net/thread/1393/numbers-limited-edition-boxsets-vinyls
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 23:30:41 GMT
I'm pretty sure they MASSIVELY overestimated how many people were interested in the limited edition boxsets. The Novel Adaptations Vol 1 went on sale at half price eight months after it was first released, and they halved the print run for the Tenth Doctor Adventures. I'm sure they've got loads of them left.
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Post by aztec on May 28, 2017 20:43:44 GMT
Related question, these are noted as limited editions but did BF actually specify a number of copies when they were announced? TLATE was very popular and has often been on sale so I'm wondering if the 'limited' edition actually got repressed at one point... Each copy is marked with 'X out of 10000' on the back. Totally off topic, but as a huge Tolkien nerd, great username!
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Post by coffeeaddict on May 28, 2017 20:46:43 GMT
I'm pretty sure they MASSIVELY overestimated how many people were interested in the limited edition boxsets. The Novel Adaptations Vol 1 went on sale at half price eight months after it was first released, and they halved the print run for the Tenth Doctor Adventures. I'm sure they've got loads of them left. With the exception of the Tenth Doctor set all of the Limited Editions can be. Bought cheaper from Book Depository.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on May 28, 2017 22:21:05 GMT
I'm pretty sure they MASSIVELY overestimated how many people were interested in the limited edition boxsets. The Novel Adaptations Vol 1 went on sale at half price eight months after it was first released, and they halved the print run for the Tenth Doctor Adventures. I'm sure they've got loads of them left. With the exception of the Tenth Doctor set all of the Limited Editions can be. Bought cheaper from Book Depository. With no shipping cost. I always check prices from a sale against the Book Depository before I buy.
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Post by ChildrenOfHúrin on May 29, 2017 7:40:21 GMT
Each copy is marked with 'X out of 10000' on the back. Totally off topic, but as a huge Tolkien nerd, great username! I'd love nothing more than for Big Finish to adapt all his books (and only 27 more years until they enter public domain!)
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Post by aztec on May 29, 2017 13:25:03 GMT
Totally off topic, but as a huge Tolkien nerd, great username! I'd love nothing more than for Big Finish to adapt all his books (and only 27 more years until they enter public domain!) The BBC LOTR radio adaptation was pretty good (well, Fellowship was I haven't got round to listening to the rest yet), and I've heard good things about The Hobbit and Tales From The Perilous Realm Adaptations, IIRC the Tolkien estate still retains the audio drama rights to all the books, so you never know... (The Silmarillion, Children Of Hurin and all the other posthumous releases are technically a co-write with Christopher Tolkien so they'd probably enter the public domain 70 years after his death and the Tolkien Estate has shown no interest in selling the rights, I think The Silmarillion is pretty much impossible to adapt anyway...
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Post by aztec on Jun 3, 2017 8:16:31 GMT
Just got my delivery of the limited editions I ordered in the sale:
The Romance Of Crime/English Way Of Death No. 2657 of 10,000 Damaged Goods/The Well Mannered War 2537 of 10,000
Which seems to prove the low sales quite succinctly, the limited editions have gone on sale frequently before I bought them and it's been more than two years since their release yet they haven't even broken a 3rd of their print run yet, makes me wonder just how many people bought these sets on first run and didn't wait for the sale, I have a very limited BF budget but loved Love And War and Cold Fusion, kinda regret not supporting this range more earlier (not that one person would have made much of a decision in cancelling the range).
Briggs stated in the podcast with Piper recently that most ranges sold between 3,000-10,000 copies per story/boxset (though I've also read Tom Baker and McGann sell considerably more, perhaps nearer 20,000 on some releases) though it was unclear if that takes into account copies sold in later sales, and downloads rather than just physical sales on initial release (and other people will have only heard BF stories on BBC Radio or streamed from spotify), and I remember reading somewhere that it may take a year or two for some of the more expensive ranges to break even...sadly BF remains quite a niche company and it seems the Novel Adaptations were more so (and had higher production costs with the bigger casts and fees they had to pay to the authors) they were evidently very popular with a certain section of BF's listeners (wondering if it was the fact that 9 of the 13 were solely 7th Doctor, would have been nice to have a bit more variety of Doctors)...but that just wasn't enough, with everything we've learnt about the range I'm still surprised they sold the stories for the same price as a MR story (though I think the limited sets packaging may have put some collectors off anyway...)
Oh well, I'm going to make sure to pick up the other stories eventually...
...And as much as I'm looking forward to it (or them? assuming they do more than one) I'm frankly a little baffled they commissioned comic strip adaptations...can't imagine those will be a great deal more popular (wouldn't be surprised if they are more expensive than a usual release) than the NA's were...
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Post by ChildrenOfHúrin on Jun 4, 2017 3:41:39 GMT
Just got my delivery of the limited editions I ordered in the sale: The Romance Of Crime/English Way Of Death No. 2657 of 10,000 Damaged Goods/The Well Mannered War 2537 of 10,000 Which seems to prove the low sales quite succinctly, the limited editions have gone on sale frequently before I bought them and it's been more than two years since their release yet they haven't even broken a 3rd of their print run yet, makes me wonder just how many people bought these sets on first run and didn't wait for the sale, I have a very limited BF budget but loved Love And War and Cold Fusion, kinda regret not supporting this range more earlier (not that one person would have made much of a decision in cancelling the range). I'm not sure you can judge by the numbers as I don't think they are released numerically. I got my copy of Romance/Death a while ago and it was no 3947.
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Post by omega on Jun 4, 2017 3:48:46 GMT
With the exception of the Tenth Doctor set all of the Limited Editions can be. Bought cheaper from Book Depository. With no shipping cost. I always check prices from a sale against the Book Depository before I buy. Factoring in the Per Order charge as well if you aren't going for the bundle option.
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Post by shallacatop on Jun 4, 2017 9:09:27 GMT
I think the novel adaptations - as good as they were - were probably a niche too far. Big Finish is a niche product, the novels - particularly from the 90s - more so, so you're already limiting your sales to start off with. Coupled with the fact the releases aren't any cheaper to produce than, say, a main range release, it was a risky move on Big Finish's part. It's a blessing we got as many as we did.
Let's also not ignore the fact that the bulk of them were for Sylvester McCoy's Doctor, who probably isn't the best selling Doctor BF have. Some also featured original companions, which many of us like, but equally many fans aren't bothered. I suspect the Tom Baker NA releases underperformed, so how the McCoy ones did is anyone's guess.
Personally, I think I'd have been more inclined to have gone with a more select choice rather than trying to expand it into a bigger range. Damaged Goods, Cold Fusion, The Romance of Crime. In an ideal world we'd have had Engines of War too.
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Post by mbt66 on Jun 4, 2017 10:40:37 GMT
I really enjoyed the Missing Adventure storys for the Fourth Doctor and I would have thought that they would have sold very well... A, They feature Tom Baker playing the Doctor B, They were the return of Romana II as played by Lalla Ward with the Fourth Doctor C, They were based on stories written by a popular TV and book author D, They were adapted by a popular audio writer E, They are all four part stories, some think a lot of people had been after F, In comparison to the early FDAs they are great value for money G, And finally they are all really rather good!!
Personally I think it is a shame they couldn't have adapted more for the Fourth Doctor.
Perhaps Big Finish could have a Gareth Roberts Presents range where he comes up with some other story suggestions that John Dorney could dramatise!?
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Post by aztec on Jun 4, 2017 16:12:07 GMT
I think the novel adaptations - as good as they were - were probably a niche too far. Big Finish is a niche product, the novels - particularly from the 90s - more so, so you're already limiting your sales to start off with. Coupled with the fact the releases aren't any cheaper to produce than, say, a main range release, it was a risky move on Big Finish's part. It's a blessing we got as many as we did. Let's also not ignore the fact that the bulk of them were for Sylvester McCoy's Doctor, who probably isn't the best selling Doctor BF have. Some also featured original companions, which many of us like, but equally many fans aren't bothered. I suspect the Tom Baker NA releases underperformed, so how the McCoy ones did is anyone's guess. Personally, I think I'd have been more inclined to have gone with a more select choice rather than trying to expand it into a bigger range. Damaged Goods, Cold Fusion, The Romance of Crime. In an ideal world we'd have had Engines of War too. On the other hand, now that I've listened to three of the NA's (and own Six) and thoroughly enjoyed each, I'm keen to complete the set (and saddened that the range has ended) I haven't read any of the Virgin Novels (though I have read around 2/3rds of the the EDA's) but as someone with a limited budget for BF the relatively stand alone/arc free nature of these stories (and their great reputation) was rather attractive, for me it was no more niche than the various other ranges I haven't dipped into, and it was very interesting to get something of a sense of the type of stories in the Wilderness years before the TV Movie.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jun 5, 2017 9:45:57 GMT
They should have given the fans what they wanted.
Stories like Lungbarrow, Goth Opera, and Venusian Lullabye.And they should have been complete, not cut down to fit in too a 25 minute episode.
I don't mind a narrator, if thats What it takes for audio. But if they really wanted to do the novels justice, that would have helped sales, cause the novels do have a very loyal fan base.
The novel adaptations is what got me going hard with bf, so I can't complain about their advertising.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jun 5, 2017 9:55:21 GMT
So Goth Opera & Blood Harvest audio adaptions not going to happen anytime soon then. and that's a shame! I remember getting those two in the same shipment way back in the 90s and binge reading for 21 hours to finish them. Great stories.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jun 6, 2017 8:25:53 GMT
So Goth Opera & Blood Harvest audio adaptions not going to happen anytime soon then. and that's a shame! I remember getting those two in the same shipment way back in the 90s and binge reading for 21 hours to finish them. Great stories. Yeah two of my favourite novels i doubt will ever get adapted now.
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