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Post by omega on Jun 18, 2017 10:49:55 GMT
Didn't realise this had turned into the weather report thread. How very British a topic to take.
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Post by omega on Jun 18, 2017 10:53:03 GMT
Next week, give us a kiss.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 11:23:48 GMT
I look forward to the day when overnights aren't counted any more - they lead too many to rash comments (not you, just generally) and then are massively revised by at least a million,sometimes two, when I-Player viewers come on with the +7 figures. Of course by then the discussion of the viewing figures in long since quiet. People just don't watch TV the same way they did before catchup and streaming. Even my mum uses her sky+ and she's a technophobe. Exactly the only figures that should count are 30 days + Catch-Up,
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They're the only ones that do count- it's fans (and only some), not the Beeb or the production team who don't want to move on from overnight being the sole metric for ratings. I seem to remember that when some in fandom were telling us how the Series 9 overnights were going to kill the show, the BBC commissioned the show for another two seasons based on those same ratings.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 11:45:05 GMT
Exactly the only figures that should count are 30 days + Catch-Up,
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They're the only ones that do count- it's fans (and only some), not the Beeb or the production team who don't want to move on from overnight being the sole metric for ratings. I seem to remember that when some in fandom were telling us how the Series 9 overnights were going to kill the show, the BBC commissioned the show for another two seasons based on those same ratings. Doctor Who's something of a staple for the BBC nowadays, we're fortunate that the show isn't living by a thread like it was in the late eighties. What's surprised me though is that there haven't been any particularly obvious mandates from the higher ups (i.e. those above Moffat and Minchin) to change anything. The BBC seem to have kept their hand in (since Victorian!Clara was vetoed, at least) and just let the executive producers do their own thing.
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Post by stcoop on Jun 18, 2017 11:58:56 GMT
Short of some utter miracle the final ratings figure for the episode will still be the lowest ever.
It's also worth pointing out the the Audience Share, has dropped significantly.
And with the AI figure stuck at 82/83, it's now well below the BBC Drama average AI of 86.
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Post by doctorkernow on Jun 18, 2017 12:05:18 GMT
Salve iterum.
I don't know what I was expecting but I found this episode a bit flat. There were however lots of good elements.
The initial idea of discovering what happened to the ninth was a good one. The nod to Rosemary Sutcliffe's classic book, Eagle of the Ninth was appreciated by me.
I liked the Scottish setting and portrayal of the Picts and Romans. I liked the script, there were some great lines as you would expect from a playwright.
I think it was the ending that seemed disappointing to me. The Eaters of Light were a rather odd monster. They absorbed light in the daytime to hunt animals at night. Surely, if they suck the energy of the sun they could get past a few Romans and a Pict warrior?
Having said that it was enjoyable. The interaction between the TARDIS regulars and the Picts and the Romans was excellent. I loved the talking crows gag and the Scottish humour.
I think in the end Survival was such a cracking story in three acts that there was much to live up to. Writing Who as a one act play is tough assignment for any writer. Rona Munro should definitely be given another go because she has interesting ideas. It is good to have a Classic Who writer writing Nu Who.
One of the reviews said she was one of three classic Who writers to write for NuWho; who are the others?
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Post by Whovitt on Jun 18, 2017 13:57:10 GMT
In the UK (well in my area, can't speak for the rest) it is currently around 20-25 degrees Celsius (68-77 Fahrenheit). It says something about normal British weather that this is genuinely good weather. We tend to get a desert climate nowadays where I live (Centre-Eastish). Sharp rise and sharp fall in temperature with no autumn or spring to really speak of. It's Hot and then it's Cold. Mostly hot. Perpetually dry too, we've always had very little rain except on special occasions. It's very rare not to have a blue sky as far as the eye can see and the sun beating down on you from above irrespective of the season. Sunglasses tend to be a must when going outdoors if only to see properly. Oh, so you're in the "Australian" part of Australia, are you? I'm in Tasmania ("the little triangle off the main continent"), which, according to what little knowledge I have of British weather, must have also been settled by the weather as well as the people of Britain back in the day. It can go from a sunny day to heavy rain in a matter of minutes (this is no exaggeration!), and only in summer do things ever get "hot" (and when they do... you're lucky if you're a pool on the floor and not evaporating instead ). When it isn't summer, it's almost always cold and miserable, similar to sherlock 's description. I feel, somehow, that I've drawn the shot end of the stick somewhere
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 14:05:30 GMT
The overnights aren't great at all are they? Even with a two million catch up, it'll be below 5 million. And yet! Fifth most watched show of the day, on a night stifled with hot weather and an earlier time slot. But best yet, it's about to get a boost with a new Doctor and a new showrunner - just at the right time to save it or otherwise. And let's be honest - when it came back in 2005, how many could have predicted it would still be going 12 years later? Certainly not me. With Cybes and John Simm returning, the ratings can only go up from now on. Can't they?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 14:21:19 GMT
I don't believe that it's people just being in the sun. It's more likely that it's a general lack of interest.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 14:32:07 GMT
I don't believe that it's people just being in the sun. It's more likely that it's a general lack of interest. Whilst I agree this series of Doctor Who has produced disappointing ratings, the weather made an impact - how else do you explain the highest rated show of the day was only 4.09 million viewers?
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Post by dasmaniac on Jun 18, 2017 14:44:26 GMT
Live TV viewership is down in general and is continuing to decline. There's nothing that can be about that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 14:52:10 GMT
I don't believe that it's people just being in the sun. It's more likely that it's a general lack of interest. Whilst I agree this series of Doctor Who has produced disappointing ratings, the weather made an impact - how else do you explain the highest rated show of the day was only 4.09 million viewers? Because people view things on other platforms now. Netflix, Amazon Video, Catch-Up TV, Sky Store, etc... And a lack of interest for the stuff that were broadcast that day.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 15:00:04 GMT
Live TV viewership is down in general and is continuing to decline. There's nothing that can be about that. Saying that, though... look at the ratings for Death In Paradise, Broadchurch, Line Of Duty and many other shows. Doctor Who, as a drama that could be rated as being probably more expensive than them, should have better ratings. Pretty much every other drama gets better figures and Doctor Who's very expensive. If they don't want Doctor Who to have very major budget cuts or, potentially, get cancelled, which it could do providing Series 11 falls flat on its face, Doctor Who has to improve heavily and not pander towards the fans like it has done this year. Bringing back the Mondasian Cybermen is a bit of a joke and classic series writers... The monsters could also be seen as a joke. What have we had: puddle monsters, emoji robots, snake under the Thames, people-eating woodlice, spacesuits that kill, skeleton Monks, the Ice Warriors (this and the Monks aren't that bad, to be fair), talking crows, light-eating creature and budget-cut Cybermen.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 15:04:47 GMT
Live TV viewership is down in general and is continuing to decline. There's nothing that can be about that. Saying that, though... look at the ratings for Death In Paradise, Broadchurch, Line Of Duty and many other shows. Doctor Who, as a drama that could be rated as being probably more expensive than them, should have better ratings. Pretty much every other drama gets better figures and Doctor Who's very expensive. If they don't want Doctor Who to have very major budget cuts or, potentially, get cancelled, which it could do providing Series 11 falls flat on its face, Doctor Who has to improve heavily and not pander towards the fans like it has done this year. Bringing back the Mondasian Cybermen is a bit of a joke and classic series writers... The monsters could also be seen as a joke. What have we had: puddle monsters, emoji robots, snake under the Thames, people-eating woodlice, spacesuits that kill, skeleton Monks, the Ice Warriors (this and the Monks aren't that bad, to be fair), talking crows, light-eating creature and budget-cut Cybermen. What did we have in Chris Eccleston's series - the series that was popular enough for the show continue another 10+ years? Burping bins and farting aliens. A face in a jar and 'Lady Cassandra.' But no, I agree. Chris Chibnall's comments seem to indicate he's not pandering to fans, and I think he is absolutely right.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 15:11:05 GMT
Saying that, though... look at the ratings for Death In Paradise, Broadchurch, Line Of Duty and many other shows. Doctor Who, as a drama that could be rated as being probably more expensive than them, should have better ratings. Pretty much every other drama gets better figures and Doctor Who's very expensive. If they don't want Doctor Who to have very major budget cuts or, potentially, get cancelled, which it could do providing Series 11 falls flat on its face, Doctor Who has to improve heavily and not pander towards the fans like it has done this year. Bringing back the Mondasian Cybermen is a bit of a joke and classic series writers... The monsters could also be seen as a joke. What have we had: puddle monsters, emoji robots, snake under the Thames, people-eating woodlice, spacesuits that kill, skeleton Monks, the Ice Warriors (this and the Monks aren't that bad, to be fair), talking crows, light-eating creature and budget-cut Cybermen. What did we have in Chris Eccleston's series - the series that was popular enough for the show continue another 10+ years? Burping bins and farting aliens. A face in a jar and 'Lady Cassandra.' But no, I agree. Chris Chibnall's comments seem to indicate he's not pandering to fans, and I think he is absolutely right. Oh yeah, definitely. I think that's sort of what alienated people from Capaldi. A lot of classic fans had been clamouring for an older Doctor, but when he came along... his first few episodes he is very different. But, later on, he kind of becomes boring. I think that knocked people off. Also, with the series, nowadays, more focusing on its plotline as key to stories... it's a lot easier to see which episodes are filler. From how I perceive it, Chibnall will literally make it one plotline throughout the course of the series, like The War Games or The Daleks' Master Plan. Or he's going to do something along the lines of Luther or Sherlock, which is probably more likely... As in, he'll have a thread throughout the whole series, whilst they fight monsters, with the Doctor trying to get to the bottom of the mystery. Something along those lines.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 15:25:20 GMT
I don't believe that it's people just being in the sun. It's more likely that it's a general lack of interest. Well, of course you wouldn't. Bias confirmation and all that. It's both. The weather DOES affect ratings and always has done. Even Tennant's era saw this. Then - of course - Capaldi's era does have ldemonstrably ower ratings. It's just a fact. Yet the BBC recomission it...guess they're happier than you'd be. I think it's interesting the programmes that still have large live ratings - Poldark, Line Of Duty, Happy Valley, Broadchurch etc - skew older audiences and have a larger appeal across the genders. Ratings in the Sunday night drama slot haven't declined the way just about every other slot in the week has. I guess not everyone timeshifts but certainly millions of Doctor Who watchers do.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 15:36:02 GMT
I don't believe that it's people just being in the sun. It's more likely that it's a general lack of interest. Well, of course you wouldn't. Bias confirmation and all that. It's both. The weather DOES affect ratings and always has done. Even Tennant's era saw this. Then - of course - Capaldi's era does have ldemonstrably ower ratings. It's just a fact. Yet the BBC recomission it...guess they're happier than you'd be. I think it's interesting the programmes that still have large live ratings - Poldark, Line Of Duty, Happy Valley, Broadchurch etc - skew older audiences and have a larger appeal across the genders. Ratings in the Sunday night drama slot haven't declined the way just about every other slot in the week has. I guess not everyone timeshifts but certainly millions of Doctor Who watchers do. One question: how does whether affect ratings? I honestly doubt people go out at night because of that. It's night, so they go to a restaurant or something, surely... as they would every other time of the year.
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Post by sherlock on Jun 18, 2017 15:42:31 GMT
Well, of course you wouldn't. Bias confirmation and all that. It's both. The weather DOES affect ratings and always has done. Even Tennant's era saw this. Then - of course - Capaldi's era does have ldemonstrably ower ratings. It's just a fact. Yet the BBC recomission it...guess they're happier than you'd be. I think it's interesting the programmes that still have large live ratings - Poldark, Line Of Duty, Happy Valley, Broadchurch etc - skew older audiences and have a larger appeal across the genders. Ratings in the Sunday night drama slot haven't declined the way just about every other slot in the week has. I guess not everyone timeshifts but certainly millions of Doctor Who watchers do. One question: how does whether affect ratings? I honestly doubt people go out at night because of that. It's night, so they go to a restaurant or something, surely... as they would every other time of the year. Doctor Who aired at 6:45, that's hardly at night.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 15:44:03 GMT
One question: how does whether affect ratings? I honestly doubt people go out at night because of that. It's night, so they go to a restaurant or something, surely... as they would every other time of the year. Doctor Who aired at 6:45, that's hardly at night. Evening, even.
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Post by sherlock on Jun 18, 2017 15:48:57 GMT
Doctor Who aired at 6:45, that's hardly at night. Evening, even. I know this is a very anecdotal example, but in last few days most of my neighbours have been sat outside in their gardens in the evening, so I suspect that's how the weather impacts TV viewings. Anyway we should probably get back on topic, how very British to get derailed by the weather.
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