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Post by Whovitt on Jun 23, 2017 1:51:01 GMT
Sock puppet Cybermen! Sock puppet Cybermen Sock puppet Cybermen When it was announced they were returning, I was trying it explain to my brother which Cybermen they were (we didn't have a picture to look at the time). When he worked it out he said, "Oh yeah, the Cybersocks!" So that's what we call them now
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Post by Tim Bradley on Jun 23, 2017 6:50:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 7:26:44 GMT
I'm surprised how much I'm looking forward to him returning. I really didn't like a lot of the humour and face-pulling of his Sound of the Drums appearance and surrounding stories, found he had improved in David Tennant's finale (his fury at the Time Lords showed John Simm playing it as he should have been allowed to all along), but all in all, I much prefer Missy. And yet having read that Simm himself wanted to play it darker makes me feel his return in World Enough and Time (strange title) could be really something. I loved Simm's Master from the word go. So much more interesting than Jacobi's. Yeah, me too. It was a real coup for the show at that stage, Life On Mars had finished up just as Series 3 was kicking off and to get John was a real treat. His over the top moments always felt character-based rather than anything to do with a misjudged performance (Hello, Anthony Ainley). The Master was loving it, and so was John. John does something I always like to see with a major name guest star - he plays it completely differently to any role he's ever had. He's not Sam Tyler gone mad, he's not a version of his character from The Lakes, State Of Play or Human Traffic. He gives us something absolutely fresh. Whenever I see "Charles Dance for the Master!", I think...you know exactly what that performance would be, what's the point? His villainous roles (while good) are always very, very similar. John took a chance and it paid off massively.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 23, 2017 9:28:38 GMT
I think Bill is going to be converted into a Cyberman. That's obvious from the Trailers where you can see the shape of the Cyberman chest-unit under her hospital gown. The real question is will Moffat hit the Reset Button to undo it this week or next? If she is, I hope she remains a Cyberman. But not any Cyberman, a good Cyberman with emotions. Give her her own CBBC spin-off where she takes on various enemies like SJA only with a Cyberman as the lead.
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Post by sherlock on Jun 23, 2017 9:55:29 GMT
I think Bill is going to be converted into a Cyberman. That's obvious from the Trailers where you can see the shape of the Cyberman chest-unit under her hospital gown. The real question is will Moffat hit the Reset Button to undo it this week or next? I hope, assuming this is correct, that Moffat has the guts to stick with it. It's his last year, Bill's not confirmed as continuing-it's the perfect time to really be bold. If this turns out to be true (and I won't even get to find out till next week because of a very poorly timed holiday), this would be one of the darkest things to happen to a companion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 10:01:59 GMT
I'm surprised how much I'm looking forward to him returning. I really didn't like a lot of the humour and face-pulling of his Sound of the Drums appearance and surrounding stories, found he had improved in David Tennant's finale (his fury at the Time Lords showed John Simm playing it as he should have been allowed to all along), but all in all, I much prefer Missy. And yet having read that Simm himself wanted to play it darker makes me feel his return in World Enough and Time (strange title) could be really something. I loved Simm's Master from the word go. So much more interesting than Jacobi's. I agree that I find Jacobi's Master over-rated - it will be interesting to see what Big Finish do with him - but then I suppose he was only 'The Master' (at least cosciously) for a short while, before morphing into Simm's energetic portrayal. I found it too intense at the time initially, and still do now. I found he was much more effective when he calmed down a bit. I find him more of a spiteful bully than a Machiavellian schemer - and there's nothing wrong with that, of course. Each Master incarnation should be different. I look forward to his return
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 23, 2017 10:04:39 GMT
I'm surprised how much I'm looking forward to him returning. I really didn't like a lot of the humour and face-pulling of his Sound of the Drums appearance and surrounding stories, found he had improved in David Tennant's finale (his fury at the Time Lords showed John Simm playing it as he should have been allowed to all along), but all in all, I much prefer Missy. And yet having read that Simm himself wanted to play it darker makes me feel his return in World Enough and Time (strange title) could be really something. I loved Simm's Master from the word go. So much more interesting than Jacobi's. Not really a fair comparison given Derek Jacobi was only the Master for five minutes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 10:05:17 GMT
That's obvious from the Trailers where you can see the shape of the Cyberman chest-unit under her hospital gown. The real question is will Moffat hit the Reset Button to undo it this week or next? I hope, assuming this is correct, that Moffat has the guts to stick with it. It's his last year, Bill's not confirmed as continuing-it's the perfect time to really be bold. If this turns out to be true (and I won't even get to find out till next week because of a very poorly timed holiday), this would be one of the darkest things to happen to a companion. Would this not be something of a repetition of the fate of The Brigadiar's fate though? Not saying I disagree with it, just putting it 'out there.'
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Post by bobod on Jun 23, 2017 10:17:26 GMT
I loved Simm's Master from the word go. So much more interesting than Jacobi's. Not really a fair comparison given Derek Jacobi was only the Master for five minutes. That's not relevant since I said I thought so straight away.
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Post by sherlock on Jun 23, 2017 10:27:03 GMT
I hope, assuming this is correct, that Moffat has the guts to stick with it. It's his last year, Bill's not confirmed as continuing-it's the perfect time to really be bold. If this turns out to be true (and I won't even get to find out till next week because of a very poorly timed holiday), this would be one of the darkest things to happen to a companion. Would this not be something of a repetition of the fate of The Brigadiar's fate though? Not saying I disagree with it, just putting it 'out there.' True, but he wasn't alive at the time of his conversion.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 23, 2017 10:55:42 GMT
Not really a fair comparison given Derek Jacobi was only the Master for five minutes. That's not relevant since I said I thought so straight away. You're judging Derek Jacobi's Master based on five minutes as not being as interesting as John Simm's. I don't see the irrelevance.
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Post by Whovitt on Jun 23, 2017 11:48:25 GMT
That's not relevant since I said I thought so straight away. You're judging Derek Jacobi's Master based on five minutes as not being as interesting as John Simm's. I don't see the irrelevance. bobod is talking strictly within the terms of the episode Utopia. This was his opinion before The Sound of Drums, etc. aired to enable him to learn more about Simm's Master. (Hope I have that right, bobod )
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 11:57:56 GMT
Oh, if Jacobi's Master is anything like his portrayal of Chorus from Henry V, I reckon we'll be in for a fun ride. Oh, who am I kidding. It's Derek Jacobi, we're going to have fun however he plays it.
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Post by bobod on Jun 23, 2017 13:43:05 GMT
You're judging Derek Jacobi's Master based on five minutes as not being as interesting as John Simm's. I don't see the irrelevance. bobod is talking strictly within the terms of the episode Utopia. This was his opinion before The Sound of Drums, etc. aired to enable him to learn more about Simm's Master. (Hope I have that right, bobod ) Well I probably meant five minutes into his Sounds performance but yeah you've got it. Cheers.
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Post by dasmaniac on Jun 23, 2017 17:31:34 GMT
I think there's a chance Missy may actually come before Simm's Master.
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Post by mrperson on Jun 23, 2017 17:39:44 GMT
I never much liked Simm's Master, whom I previously described as McCrazypants Lightning hands. I simply do not appreciate over-the-top WACKY! in this show, and his was one of the earlier examples in the reboot. It's what rubbed me the wrong way about Gomez's performances. I especially don't like that they decided to retcon everything about the Master being either evil, operating on a completely different moral code, etc., by saying that actually he was just plain crazy because the Timelords put a drumming sound in his head. Call it retconning or call it Rassilon rewriting time, but it always annoyed me.
Anyway, I hope he tones that side down for these episodes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 18:50:35 GMT
I think there's a chance Missy may actually come before Simm's Master. Well that would place her before Jacobi since we saw that regeneration. Which would make her pre Time War and I can't see them doing that. It is still possible she is not the incarnation after Simms, or that she isn't actually the Master at all.
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Post by doctorkernow on Jun 23, 2017 22:40:28 GMT
Hello again.
WE ARE RETURNING...YOU WILL BECOME LIKE US...WE MUST SURVIVE...
hello, did you miss me? did you think I was gone for good? Hah! I am indestructible... and I am the Master, and you will obey me...
Less than 24 hours to go... I am really looking forward to this... See you on the other side!
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 24, 2017 8:35:52 GMT
I think there's a chance Missy may actually come before Simm's Master. Well that would place her before Jacobi since we saw that regeneration. Which would make her pre Time War and I can't see them doing that. It is still possible she is not the incarnation after Simms, or that she isn't actually the Master at all. Missy is the Master. Doing a rug pull would be pointless and unnecessarily confuse the casual audience.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2017 8:59:15 GMT
Well that would place her before Jacobi since we saw that regeneration. Which would make her pre Time War and I can't see them doing that. It is still possible she is not the incarnation after Simms, or that she isn't actually the Master at all. Missy is the Master. Doing a rug pull would be pointless and unnecessarily confuse the casual audience. Oh yeah, Moffat never does that, does he.
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