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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2017 19:07:40 GMT
One thing that did bug me though, was how much time the Doctor was wasting when he knew how long that would translate for Bill. It bugged me in a 'come on, Doctor - save Bill' kind of way. Which I loved! Tension like that is the foundation of Doctor Who for me.
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Post by dasmaniac on Jun 24, 2017 19:26:52 GMT
The episode hasn't aired here yet but I've been seeing some people saying this contradicts Spare Sparts. This episode does not actually take place on Mondas correct? So if it does not then we can not possibly say it contradicts Spare Parts.
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Post by christmastrenzalore on Jun 24, 2017 19:32:28 GMT
The episode hasn't aired here yet but I've been seeing some people saying this contradicts Spare Sparts. This episode does not actually take place on Mondas correct? So if it does not then we can not possibly say it contradicts Spare Parts. I wouldn't say they're irreconcilable as of yet. I already have a head-canon prepped.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2017 19:39:51 GMT
The episode hasn't aired here yet but I've been seeing some people saying this contradicts Spare Sparts. This episode does not actually take place on Mondas correct? So if it does not then we can not possibly say it contradicts Spare Parts. As I see it, it doesn't contradict Spare Parts, rather works alongside it. I wn't say anymore as you haven't seen it. I'd hate to spoil it for you!
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Post by dasmaniac on Jun 24, 2017 19:40:22 GMT
Besides we already know from other stories that the Cybermen experimented with time travel but never seemed to get the hang of it, hence why there's a Mondasian Cyberman in 19th Century Austria. Because of time travel the Daleks have multiple origins.
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Post by stcoop on Jun 24, 2017 19:44:42 GMT
They need to fire whoever's in charge of publicity for the series because basically 95% of the episode was given away in advance by the trailers, interviews etc.
The only surprise was opening with what I assume is the real Regeneration. (Taking place at the South Pole in 1986 perhaps...?)
And I'm guessing John Simm must be a Babylon 5 fan because he was totally playing Zathras when he was in "disguise".
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Post by The Matt on Jun 24, 2017 19:49:29 GMT
And I'm guessing John Simm must be a Babylon 5 fan because he was totally playing Zathras when he was in "disguise". There were almost times when I thought it was the same actor
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2017 19:55:46 GMT
Since the location of the Cybermen and presence of John Simm were revealed months ago, it allowed the piece to concentrate on the mood, the atmosphere and create a real feeling of death before the finale. Job done tremendously. Simm had a ball and Missy could go either way...the pieces are making their final moves on the board.
And....is that THE regeneration we saw?
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Post by pazzer on Jun 24, 2017 20:07:44 GMT
Apart from the opening was brilliant, really loved the atmosphere. 8/10. Hope next weeks episode is as good.
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Post by acousticwolf on Jun 24, 2017 20:36:14 GMT
Managing to keep away from trailers, interviews and forum threads, most of this episode came as a complete shock to Mrs Acousticwolf and I. Ok we knew it had Mondasian Cybermen and John Simm but that was it.
Oh my God... Bill!
I have so many questions, no answers and can't wait for next week.
Now if I can just avoid finding out who Capaldi regenerates into before it happens, I'll be a happy boy.
That was just like watching Doctor Who as a boy... No clue... Just how it should be.
Cheers
Tony
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Post by mark687 on Jun 24, 2017 20:40:12 GMT
Managing to keep away from trailers, interviews and forum threads, most of this episode came as a complete shock to Mrs Acousticwolf and I. Ok we knew it had Mondasian Cybermen and John Simm but that was it. Oh my God... Bill! I have so many questions, no answers and can't wait for next week. Now if I can just avoid finding out who Capaldi regenerates into before it happens, I'll be a happy boy. That was just like watching Doctor Who as a boy... No clue... Just how it should be. Cheers Tony How long before the kids can watch it?
Regards
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Post by denyer97 on Jun 24, 2017 20:50:52 GMT
That was brilliant, not an edge of the seat sort of story (until the end) but I was still hooked throughout and I cannot wait for next week I know Moffat gets a lot of stick for reversing the fates of key characters but I really don't want Bill's story to end like this. The ideal situation for me would be for her to continue into the next series, because she's just great isn't she? But I've resigned myself to the fact that, that isn't going to happen so I hope at the very least she does get a proper goodbye with the Doctor.
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Post by aztec on Jun 24, 2017 20:54:12 GMT
The Bad- a tad slow, Nardole was sidelined (admittedly that's sorta part of the character) a little derivative in parts, with the odd instance of overly meta dialogue and I hear it may overwright Spare Parts? (no I haven't got round to listening to that yet, yes I know I really should do)
The Good- everything else. Great, great episode, snappy dialogue, good character beats for Bill (especially) and The Doctor, solid cinematography dripping with creepy atmosphere, lots of scares and impressive visual effects, solid acting from all involved (probably Mackie's best performance since The Pilot) and what seems to be a toned down Simm Master.
A great start to Capaldi's swansong, let's hope Part 2 is a good pay off!.
And I'm thinking that regeneration at the start was taken from the Christmas special and that A) The David Bradley/tying in with The Tenth Planet rumours are true, and B) Moffat may in some way ape Circular Time: Winter and do something a bit more meta and unexpected with the structure of Capaldi's last episode.
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Post by aztec on Jun 24, 2017 20:56:05 GMT
That was brilliant, not an edge of the seat sort of story (until the end) but I was still hooked throughout and I cannot wait for next week I know Moffat gets a lot of stick for reversing the fates of key characters but I really don't want Bill's story to end like this. The ideal situation for me would be for her to continue into the next series, because she's just great isn't she? But I've resigned myself to the fact that, that isn't going to happen so I hope at the very least she does get a proper goodbye with the Doctor. At the risk of sounding like a harsh morbid git...I want Bill's fate to stick. I love the character, but Moffat has an annoying tendency to reverse things or overwrite into happy endings, just once I'd like the show to do something as dark and shocking as BF did with To The Death...
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Post by stcoop on Jun 24, 2017 21:00:47 GMT
The Bad- a tad slow, Nardole was sidelined (admittedly that's sorta part of the character) a little derivative in parts, with the odd instance of overly meta dialogue and I hear it may overwright Spare Parts? (no I haven't got round to listening to that yet, yes I know I really should do) My assumption at the moment is that this is taking place just before Mondas breaks away from our Solar System, which is why they're evacuating the planet. But since there's only a handful of Mondasians on the ship (to begin with) the rest remain behind for Spare Parts to eventually happen.
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Post by dasmaniac on Jun 24, 2017 21:14:57 GMT
If Missy is multiple incarnations after the "Saxon" Master then that definitely leaves room for Big Finish to create stories featuring the Eleventh Doctor encountering The Master. It could also bring an entirely different meaning to The Doctor's surprise at meeting The Master again in Dark Water. Everyone assumed The Doctor was referring to The Master being sent back in time during the events of "The End of Time" but for all we know he may not have been.
On the subject of Spare Parts, If I recall correctly none of the people in Spare Parts seemed to be upper class. If only a limited number of people could leave Mondas then it was most likely only those who were upper class got to leave, thus leaving everyone else behind.
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Post by Bazoolium on Jun 24, 2017 21:30:53 GMT
I don't think it will contradict Spare Parts, although I wish the Nurse was 'Nurseman'. I have always loved the Sing-Song voices of the early Cyberman, my favourite.
Very creepy atmosphere. Would have liked more Missy being the Doctor.
The meta dialogue was annoying and smug, 'Genesis of the Cyberman' was far too much on the nose.
Hope there is lots of Simm next week and that Bill's fate is not reversed like Moffat likes to do all the time.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 24, 2017 21:32:53 GMT
Wow. AMAZING episode. So dark, and I don't know how they got away with some of that before the watershed - ESPECIALLY that shot of the gaping hole in Bill's chest.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2017 21:38:07 GMT
That was brilliant, not an edge of the seat sort of story (until the end) but I was still hooked throughout and I cannot wait for next week I know Moffat gets a lot of stick for reversing the fates of key characters but I really don't want Bill's story to end like this. The ideal situation for me would be for her to continue into the next series, because she's just great isn't she? But I've resigned myself to the fact that, that isn't going to happen so I hope at the very least she does get a proper goodbye with the Doctor. At the risk of sounding like a harsh morbid git...I want Bill's fate to stick. I love the character, but Moffat has an annoying tendency to reverse things or overwrite into happy endings, just once I'd like the show to do something as dark and shocking as BF did with To The Death... The TV show tending towards bittersweet rather than deadly endings for companions has never bothered me since their audience skews a lot younger than the BF audience. I can't imagine too many kids listening to To The Death/Lucie Miller but there are millions who watch the show and I'd hate for it to be too much for them. I like that the show always has this gleam of optimism even in the darker endings.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2017 21:46:08 GMT
The TV show tending towards bittersweet rather than deadly endings for companions has never bothered me since their audience skews a lot younger than the BF audience. I can't imagine too many kids listening to To The Death/Lucie Miller but there are millions who watch the show and I'd hate for it to be too much for them. I like that the show always has this gleam of optimism even in the darker endings. This is a very important point - a lot of younger viewers (still) watch Doctor Who, and Bill's 'death' would be a lot for them. It would be very brave to have her as a Cyberman permanently, but I personally don't think that will happen ... ... which may well open the door for people to say that Moffat has again pressed the reset switch. I've never understood why people blame Moffat for that, as if it has never been done before. He didn't press the reset switch with Amy or Rory's fate, or Danny Pink. I'm remembering Peri's fate at the hands of Ycarnos, Romana 2 apparently been buried in the Movellan grave; the companion certain the Doctor had died only for him to actually still be alive happened on a regular basis during the classic era. Surely it's a standard rule of drama that the audience is supposed to believe their heroes are slain, only for them to emerge unscathed afterall. To blame Steven Moffat for that is ... interesting!
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