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Post by sherlock on Jun 21, 2017 18:39:01 GMT
Consequences to the Web of Time would probably just be realised the way they were in Hell Bent, a bunch of people talking about how terrible it is but no actual depiction of why it's bad. That's why I'm kind of sick of 'damage to Time' stories. It's so unfathomable and difficult to depict. There's been four series finales based around breaking Time now ( The Big Bang, The Wedding of River Song, The Name of the Doctor, Hell Bent) and truth be told I'd rather we got back to finales where we can actually see what's at stake and what the consequences of this threat will be. I can't see how it would be dramatic either. Where's the drama? The Master loves him/herself and flirts, meanwhile the Doctor goes eww and rants about damage to Time. That's pretty much all I can see coming from this. The music would be used to make the audience see it as disgusting. We would be shown the idea of it being wrong like incest, and the breaking up of time I believe Moffat will do by showing multiple variations of Cybermen co-exist ing. Music doesn't make drama by itself. That doesn't change all we'd probably end up with is the two Masters flirting and the Doctor bleating about the state of Time. Besides it's something of lacklustre plot for the Master. This time the Master is threatening the universe...by falling in love?? Just seems a waste of bringing two Masters together. I'm not convinced at all and hope Moffat doesn't go down this route.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jun 21, 2017 18:42:40 GMT
That's why the new series uses dancing as a euphemism for sex. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Go and have a lie down.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 21, 2017 19:01:30 GMT
The music would be used to make the audience see it as disgusting. We would be shown the idea of it being wrong like incest, and the breaking up of time I believe Moffat will do by showing multiple variations of Cybermen co-exist ing. Music doesn't make drama by itself. That doesn't change all we'd probably end up with is the two Masters flirting and the Doctor bleating about the state of Time. Besides it's something of lacklustre plot for the Master. This time the Master is threatening the universe...by falling in love?? Just seems a waste of bringing two Masters together. I'm not convinced at all and hope Moffat doesn't go down this route. Music is a key influence in deciding how the audience feel. I don't think you can show a romance being disturbing but you could make the audience feel it through music.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 22:31:54 GMT
Now, there was a nonsense story arc. Like a cat's cradle dipped in treacle and sprayed with tar. I don't buy it, it'd be like running away from home because you were scared of the story of the Evil Queen from Snow White. Not one of Moffat's best ideas, not by a long shot. Dark would be a later incarnation lynching an earlier one in the most excruciating way possible to spark off his regeneration. Watching the light drain from his eyes and gently reassuring him that it's all for the best cause possible. That to me is a seriously dark horror. Country matters are just squicky, I don't think Time Lords like being reminded they're flesh and blood. Or mortal. Now that is dark. I have a feeling that if I ever wanted to go full Hinchcliffe/Holmes with a story, I'd be really good at it. I just remembered that it's really hard to hang a Time Lord because of their binary vascular system, so it'd be pretty awkward too. "I honestly thought I'd be cleverer than this."
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 22, 2017 11:35:09 GMT
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Post by mrperson on Jun 22, 2017 15:36:38 GMT
Just...... what?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 19:50:42 GMT
Yes, Last of the Time Lords oozes it. Tastefully done though.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Jun 23, 2017 3:07:31 GMT
So, uh, I'm just gonna leave this here:
RICHARD ELLIOT asks: How do you think the other Masters would react to Missy if they ever met?
Oh, I've given it thought! Surely there's fan fiction already? There must be - to your work, if not! The impossible one, of course, is the Delgado/Gomez simmer-fest - but oh, imagine! Hooded gazes at dawn! Sneers like sword slashes! Sexy prowls, cat-like circling! In no time flat, a country cottage, three kids and a Volvo. One summer evening, as they both puff away in the cigar gazebo, watching the children (identical girl triplets, dead white and levitating) rebuilding the lawn mower into a nuclear reactor using Master Plan Q, the question inevitably arises... THE MASTER: My dear, you've never exactly told me who you are.
MISSY: You're always so busy, trying to drain the world's oceans, or rob banks with dinosaurs -
THE MASTER: I just want the kids to have a future.
MISSY: Then why do you keep trying to blow up the planet?
THE MASTER Must we always take this attitude to my work?
MISSY: Or freeze the polar ice caps.
THE MASTER: That was a simple administrative error.
MISSY: Don't you think there might be a clue in my name?
THE MASTER: Missy?
MISSY: Tiny bit of a clue?
THE MASTER: I have long suspected there was some cunning word play involved. Some abtruse hint as to your true identity, of some fiendish complexity and subtlety that it eludes even my mighty Time Lord brain. Is it short for Mistress, though?
MISSY: Yep.
IN THE GARDEN, THE TRIPLETS OBSERVE THE TWO CIGAR TIPS GLOWING MORE BRIGHTLY FOR A MOMENT IN THE SHADOWS OF THE GARDEN.
THE MASTER: My dear, do you think the triplets ever get lonely?
AND FROM THE HAPPY HOME, THE REST IS SILENCE. EXCEPT FOR THE NIGHTLY SING-A-LONG OF THE ADDAMS FAMILY.
(This is Moffat's answer to a question in DWM)
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Post by Whovitt on Jun 23, 2017 5:50:55 GMT
So, uh, I'm just gonna leave this here: RICHARD ELLIOT asks: How do you think the other Masters would react to Missy if they ever met?Oh, I've given it thought! Surely there's fan fiction already? There must be - to your work, if not! The impossible one, of course, is the Delgado/Gomez simmer-fest - but oh, imagine! Hooded gazes at dawn! Sneers like sword slashes! Sexy prowls, cat-like circling! In no time flat, a country cottage, three kids and a Volvo.One summer evening, as they both puff away in the cigar gazebo, watching the children (identical girl triplets, dead white and levitating) rebuilding the lawn mower into a nuclear reactor using Master Plan Q, the question inevitably arises... THE MASTER: My dear, you've never exactly told me who you are. MISSY: You're always so busy, trying to drain the world's oceans, or rob banks with dinosaurs - THE MASTER: I just want the kids to have a future. MISSY: Then why do you keep trying to blow up the planet? THE MASTER Must we always take this attitude to my work? MISSY: Or freeze the polar ice caps. THE MASTER: That was a simple administrative error. MISSY: Don't you think there might be a clue in my name? THE MASTER: Missy? MISSY: Tiny bit of a clue? THE MASTER: I have long suspected there was some cunning word play involved. Some abtruse hint as to your true identity, of some fiendish complexity and subtlety that it eludes even my mighty Time Lord brain. Is it short for Mistress, though? MISSY: Yep. IN THE GARDEN, THE TRIPLETS OBSERVE THE TWO CIGAR TIPS GLOWING MORE BRIGHTLY FOR A MOMENT IN THE SHADOWS OF THE GARDEN. THE MASTER: My dear, do you think the triplets ever get lonely? AND FROM THE HAPPY HOME, THE REST IS SILENCE. EXCEPT FOR THE NIGHTLY SING-A-LONG OF THE ADDAMS FAMILY. (This is Moffat's answer to a question in DWM) Ha ha... No.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 23, 2017 10:08:54 GMT
Looks like it could be happening:
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Post by mrperson on Jun 23, 2017 18:08:07 GMT
God I hope not. I have no interest in Time Lord incest. Surely there's far more interesting things to be done by bringing two Masters together than having them flirt? I think it's an interesting angle because we don't know what would happen if a Time Lord met himself and embarked on a romantic relationship. There must be laws of time that prohibit that just like incest is illegal in the real world, plus there's all the potential issues it would cause to time. It would be something that raises a lot of thought-provoking questions unlike a standard boring romance. If it doesn't happen it's a fanfic I would definitely read (so long as it explored it from the angle of the chaos it would cause rather than the romance itself) unlike the other cringey fanfictions that romantically pair together two characters. I don't think the implications of one Timelord saying "go **** yourself" to another are all that interesting, unless the topic is the meaning and development of curse words across different cultures. And I honestly cannot understand how you could be so absolutely certain that this is what is going to happen. It's a bizarre and nutty idea, supported only by some extremely tenuous inferences.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 23, 2017 18:48:40 GMT
I think it's an interesting angle because we don't know what would happen if a Time Lord met himself and embarked on a romantic relationship. There must be laws of time that prohibit that just like incest is illegal in the real world, plus there's all the potential issues it would cause to time. It would be something that raises a lot of thought-provoking questions unlike a standard boring romance. If it doesn't happen it's a fanfic I would definitely read (so long as it explored it from the angle of the chaos it would cause rather than the romance itself) unlike the other cringey fanfictions that romantically pair together two characters. I don't think the implications of one Timelord saying "go **** yourself" to another are all that interesting, unless the topic is the meaning and development of curse words across different cultures. And I honestly cannot understand how you could be so absolutely certain that this is what is going to happen. It's a bizarre and nutty idea, supported only by some extremely tenuous inferences. It's not one Time Lord to the other though, it's one Time Lord saying it to himself in a past incarnation. That's what would make the idea interesting to me, although I respect that others may not find it so. It's just something I can see Moffat doing, especially with the trailers featuring that scene of Missy and the Master dancing.
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Post by mrperson on Jun 23, 2017 19:59:42 GMT
I don't think the implications of one Timelord saying "go **** yourself" to another are all that interesting, unless the topic is the meaning and development of curse words across different cultures. And I honestly cannot understand how you could be so absolutely certain that this is what is going to happen. It's a bizarre and nutty idea, supported only by some extremely tenuous inferences. It's not one Time Lord to the other though, it's one Time Lord saying it to himself in a past incarnation. That's what would make the idea interesting to me, although I respect that others may not find it so. It's just something I can see Moffat doing, especially with the trailers featuring that scene of Missy and the Master dancing. Ah, allright, if the point was just that you think it's an interesting idea. It sounded like you were saying it absolutely was going to happen, ie, when you said: "I really 100% believe Moffat is about to go this dark with the Multi-Master interaction." I think it would be utterly bizarre material for Doctor Who. "WTF" to the tenth power. Might work in a Curse of Fatal Death type spoof, but otherwise, just no.....not in Who. (And it wouldn't be incest, would it? They're the same person at different points in a timeline. So, basically, it'd be especially weird Timelord masturbation).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2017 7:28:47 GMT
It's not one Time Lord to the other though, it's one Time Lord saying it to himself in a past incarnation. That's what would make the idea interesting to me, although I respect that others may not find it so. It's just something I can see Moffat doing, especially with the trailers featuring that scene of Missy and the Master dancing. Ah, allright, if the point was just that you think it's an interesting idea. It sounded like you were saying it absolutely was going to happen, ie, when you said: "I really 100% believe Moffat is about to go this dark with the Multi-Master interaction." I think it would be utterly bizarre material for Doctor Who. "WTF" to the tenth power. Might work in a Curse of Fatal Death type spoof, but otherwise, just no.....not in Who. (And it wouldn't be incest, would it? They're the same person at different points in a timeline. So, basically, it'd be especially weird Timelord masturbation). Which would hardly have consequences for the web of time, surely.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jun 24, 2017 8:09:59 GMT
Never mind the silly Master/Missy gimmicks just make sure the story's actually good.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 24, 2017 8:31:22 GMT
Ah, allright, if the point was just that you think it's an interesting idea. It sounded like you were saying it absolutely was going to happen, ie, when you said: "I really 100% believe Moffat is about to go this dark with the Multi-Master interaction." I think it would be utterly bizarre material for Doctor Who. "WTF" to the tenth power. Might work in a Curse of Fatal Death type spoof, but otherwise, just no.....not in Who. (And it wouldn't be incest, would it? They're the same person at different points in a timeline. So, basically, it'd be especially weird Timelord masturbation). Which would hardly have consequences for the web of time, surely. It would be the same person kissing an earlier incarnation. How would it not affect the Web of Time?
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jun 24, 2017 15:40:40 GMT
Which would hardly have consequences for the web of time, surely. It would be the same person kissing an earlier incarnation. How would it not affect the Web of Time? Ah. And why would it? Who doesn't operate on the Butterfly Effect so... And again.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2017 16:08:00 GMT
Which would hardly have consequences for the web of time, surely. It would be the same person kissing an earlier incarnation. How would it not affect the Web of Time? Burden of proof is on yourself DB. The Doxyor has shaken hands with himself and even given himself comradely pats on the back many times. Temporally speaking, how is a kiss any different? It's just physical contact.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 24, 2017 20:11:27 GMT
"He actually fancies himself!"
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 25, 2017 8:53:15 GMT
It would be the same person kissing an earlier incarnation. How would it not affect the Web of Time? Burden of proof is on yourself DB. The Doxyor has shaken hands with himself and even given himself comradely pats on the back many times. Temporally speaking, how is a kiss any different? It's just physical contact. There's more risks involved. It's more intimate, and if (for example) a baby was produced that wasn't supposed to be it would cause all manner of problems to the Web of Time.
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