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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 23, 2017 10:37:40 GMT
Wow, I thought finding out there was a silent movie version of Alice In Wonderland was pretty cool but this is even cooler!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 12:22:49 GMT
But what is he really going out of his way to make different? If you are going with a youngish female Doctor then the pairing to that would be an older male companion. I personally feel like it is the natural progression of the new dynamic. To me, it is kind of comforting. I honestly wish I could find it comforting, or exciting, or something, but it disappoints me to admit that I really cannot. I am a bit like that with the notion of a female Doctor, but I have to get on with it. I do find it a bit funny that a lot of people think a female Doctor is acceptable but an oldish male guy as a companion isn't! People wanted change, so Chris Chibnall is going to give us change. Personally I'd prefer Bradley Walsh to Kris Marshall as a companion, but as we've never had a female Doctor before we don't know what dynamic is going to work best. We have nothing to base our views on so whatever companion does get chosen it's going to be new territory with a female Doctor in the TARDIS.
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Post by jasonward on Aug 23, 2017 12:36:20 GMT
A male companion who is younger or closer in age to actor playing The Doctor, I'd say he was leaving the door open. With a older male companion I think he is going out of his way to reassure fans who aren't sure of the gender swap. I feel like he is completely turning around the classic Doctor Who dynamic of older Doctor, younger companion. If it does indeed turn out to be a older male companion, I'd be stunned if he had any Nu Who Doctor/Companion style attraction going on between the leads. The problem I have with this is that somehow you are asking us to believe that the older man, younger woman dynamic, in of itself, can not engender a romantic atmosphere. To which I say, no way, not only does that not have a basis in the reality I see and experience (my girlfriend of over 10 years is more than 10 years younger than I am) it's actually a common trope used in films and TV and is sometimes cited as being an example of ageism against female actors and sexist. Searching Google for these was trivially easy, my first query got pages of good hits, normally when I'm looking for stuff I have to try several times and dig down into things to find the sources I want. tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LikesOlderMenwww.imdb.com/list/ls000935149/www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGCTDKoEK04www.themoviedb.org/keyword/14669-older-man-younger-woman-relationship/movie?language=enwww.listal.com/movies/older+man+younger+woman+relationship/allwww.google.co.uk/search?q=older+man+younger+woman+relationship+movies&source=lnms&tbm=isch
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Post by jasonward on Aug 23, 2017 17:06:46 GMT
The longer this goes on without confirmation from the BBC the less likely I think it is, the BBC rightly would want to generate some publicity and fanfare, but now its reached the point where if the BBC announces that it is Walsh the media will shrug and go, "yeah, we know, moving on..."
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Post by barnabaslives on Aug 23, 2017 17:40:32 GMT
Maybe Walsh's character will have a hot son who will have a crush on the Doctor? Edit: my apologies, it sounds like I'm discussing an episode of Hollyoaks (UK teen soap) or something. I don't think it's an entirely unreasonable concern since the New Series has carved out something of reputation for being a soap "human drama" as well as often going a bit over-the-top. Being thrice bitten, twice shy, some of us might still expect that romantic tensions might enter the picture - plus it's not really reversing the "usual" dynamic because technically The Doctor is still going to be the older woman, and what bothers me about the idea of just about any Doctor-companion relationship in the first place is that they would be some of the worst cases of winter-spring romance imaginable by what is over 1000 years now. Worse, if there were ever anything inappropriate about a President getting involved with a young and impressionable intern, well - this is the President of the World we are talking about now, and that still probably doesn't cover all the issues. I'm not sure my inner 12-year-old is thinking "YUK!" at the thought of any of this, simply out of prudishness. (For further perspective, my inner 12-year-old is fervently hoping that one night on Darillium, Twelve and River made Amy Pond just because it would be so incredibly timey-wimey, and big thanks to both of them for not doing so in front of us kids). :-) Note that I have absolutely nothing against The Doctor getting involved with other Gallifreyans who are closer to his own age and/or lifespan. I always hoped The Doctor and Romana would end up tying the knot, sometimes I though they sort of acted adorably like a married couple, and imagine the amazing day I found out Tom and Lalla had been wed for awhile in real life. Heck, for all I ever knew, what The Doctor really fancied, being a galactically open-minded fellow and all, were green and tentacled with 5 eyes and 12 genders. Nothing wrong with that either, within certain limits I suppose - but it's really nice when we just don't have to go there with the show. Also, it didn't take very long at all before I thought that what Big Finish did with Eight and Charley was probably brilliant - romantic tension between Doctor and companion that I thought was understandable rather than gratuitous, two vulnerable people in a strange new world who might as well be blind for how well they can see this strange new world or its inhabitants, who apparently have no one but each other anymore. Now the President and his intern are both stranded on a desert island, and I guess he's not the President anymore. I don't think it's entirely unreasonable to be optimistic though, either - I don't think we've actually had so much of the Doctor / Rose Tyler stuff as the series went on (I think they may be finding out that DW can work without that, as it always did), it really isn't fair to judge what Chibnall does until we see it, and nightwingfan may well be right that maybe we can expect a different, multi-companion dynamic, and hopefully one that might help diffuse any romantic tensions. If the new Doctor with an "older" male turned out anything like a gender-reversed version of the Sixie and Evelyn relationship, it could be utterly brilliant for all I know. That is one Doctor-companion relationship that I think of as particularly close without resorting to romantic tensions, even though Evelyn's romantic life got a bright spotlight in Arrangements for War. I do take optimism from the last two TV seasons - I think Moffat did many things right and it's hopefully not unreasonable to think Chris Chibnall was taking notes, and I have consistently managed to very much like the New Series in spite of itself. (Even though most of my New Series favorites are much more recent, in my opinion the NS has turned out some real winners since way back there, like Gridlock, which I'm pretty sure I like more than 2/3 of original series stories. It's an absolutely stunning take on something that may be so relevant, I'm praying that the story isn't downright prophetic). I do wish Chibnall would hurry up and do or say something that I actually find reassuring, though - gimme a good reason why the latest news is good news, as opposed to "This is TV, we move in mysterious ways. Here - here's just enough info to catastrophize with, knock yourselves out, kids!" :-)
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Aug 23, 2017 17:43:28 GMT
Is Bradley playing Susan?
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Post by valeyard on Aug 23, 2017 17:58:53 GMT
Is Bradley playing Susan? That is a possible scary possibility. Worse than Whittaker being The Valeyard for a few episodes?
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Post by valeyard on Aug 23, 2017 17:59:41 GMT
Maybe Walsh's character will have a hot son who will have a crush on the Doctor? Edit: my apologies, it sounds like I'm discussing an episode of Hollyoaks (UK teen soap) or something. I don't think it's an entirely unreasonable concern since the New Series has carved out something of reputation for being a soap "human drama" as well as often going a bit over-the-top. Being thrice bitten, twice shy, some of us might still expect that romantic tensions might enter the picture - plus it's not really reversing the "usual" dynamic because technically The Doctor is still going to be the older woman, and what bothers me about the idea of just about any Doctor-companion relationship in the first place is that they would be some of the worst cases of winter-spring romance imaginable by what is over 1000 years now. Worse, if there were ever anything inappropriate about a President getting involved with a young and impressionable intern, well - this is the President of the World we are talking about now, and that still probably doesn't cover all the issues. I'm not sure my inner 12-year-old is thinking "YUK!" at the thought of any of this, simply out of prudishness. (For further perspective, my inner 12-year-old is fervently hoping that one night on Darillium, Twelve and River made Amy Pond just because it would be so incredibly timey-wimey, and big thanks to both of them for not doing so in front of us kids). :-) Note that I have absolutely nothing against The Doctor getting involved with other Gallifreyans who are closer to his own age and/or lifespan. I always hoped The Doctor and Romana would end up tying the knot, sometimes I though they sort of acted adorably like a married couple, and imagine the amazing day I found out Tom and Lalla had been wed for awhile in real life. Heck, for all I ever knew, what The Doctor really fancied, being a galactically open-minded fellow and all, were green and tentacled with 5 eyes and 12 genders. Nothing wrong with that either, within certain limits I suppose - but it's really nice when we just don't have to go there with the show. Also, it didn't take very long at all before I thought that what Big Finish did with Eight and Charley was probably brilliant - romantic tension between Doctor and companion that I thought was understandable rather than gratuitous, two vulnerable people in a strange new world who might as well be blind for how well they can see this strange new world or its inhabitants, who apparently have no one but each other anymore. Now the President and his intern are both stranded on a desert island, and I guess he's not the President anymore. I don't think it's entirely unreasonable to be optimistic though, either - I don't think we've actually had so much of the Doctor / Rose Tyler stuff as the series went on (I think they may be finding out that DW can work without that, as it always did), it really isn't fair to judge what Chibnall does until we see it, and nightwingfan may well be right that maybe we can expect a different, multi-companion dynamic, and hopefully one that might help diffuse any romantic tensions. If the new Doctor with an "older" male turned out anything like a gender-reversed version of the Sixie and Evelyn relationship, it could be utterly brilliant for all I know. That is one Doctor-companion relationship that I think of as particularly close without resorting to romantic tensions, even though Evelyn's romantic life got a bright spotlight in Arrangements for War. I do take optimism from the last two TV seasons - I think Moffat did many things right and it's hopefully not unreasonable to think Chris Chibnall was taking notes, and I have consistently managed to very much like the New Series in spite of itself. (Even though most of my New Series favorites are much more recent, in my opinion the NS has turned out some real winners since way back there, like Gridlock, which I'm pretty sure I like more than 2/3 of original series stories. It's an absolutely stunning take on something that may be so relevant, I'm praying that the story isn't downright prophetic). I do wish Chibnall would hurry up and do or say something that I actually find reassuring, though - gimme a good reason why the latest news is good news, as opposed to "This is TV, we move in mysterious ways. Here - here's just enough info to catastrophize with, knock yourselves out, kids!" :-) Deep breath!
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Aug 23, 2017 18:41:56 GMT
A male companion who is younger or closer in age to actor playing The Doctor, I'd say he was leaving the door open. With a older male companion I think he is going out of his way to reassure fans who aren't sure of the gender swap. I feel like he is completely turning around the classic Doctor Who dynamic of older Doctor, younger companion. If it does indeed turn out to be a older male companion, I'd be stunned if he had any Nu Who Doctor/Companion style attraction going on between the leads. The problem I have with this is that somehow you are asking us to believe that the older man, younger woman dynamic, in of itself, can not engender a romantic atmosphere. To which I say, no way, not only does that not have a basis in the reality I see and experience (my girlfriend of over 10 years is more than 10 years younger than I am) it's actually a common trope used in films and TV and is sometimes cited as being an example of ageism against female actors and sexist. Searching Google for these was trivially easy, my first query got pages of good hits, normally when I'm looking for stuff I have to try several times and dig down into things to find the sources I want. tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LikesOlderMenwww.imdb.com/list/ls000935149/www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGCTDKoEK04www.themoviedb.org/keyword/14669-older-man-younger-woman-relationship/movie?language=enwww.listal.com/movies/older+man+younger+woman+relationship/allwww.google.co.uk/search?q=older+man+younger+woman+relationship+movies&source=lnms&tbm=ischIn real life, I agree with you. Happens all the time. My last relationship I was much older than she was but this isn't real life we are talking about. It's a 53 year old fantasy/science fiction show like Doctor Who. A show that has just committed to its biggest change ever. To try and impose real life situations on it totally misses the optics of a move such as this is meant to convey.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Aug 23, 2017 18:46:20 GMT
The longer this goes on without confirmation from the BBC the less likely I think it is, the BBC rightly would want to generate some publicity and fanfare, but now its reached the point where if the BBC announces that it is Walsh the media will shrug and go, "yeah, we know, moving on..." Yeah but if something is not true you want to shut it down as soon as possible. I think the longer it goes without a direct denial, the more plausible I find the story.
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Post by jasonward on Aug 23, 2017 18:47:14 GMT
In real life, I agree with you. Happens all the time. My last relationship I was much older than she was but this isn't real life we are talking about. It's a 53 year old fantasy/science fiction show like Doctor Who. A show that has just committed to its biggest change ever. To try and impose real life situations on it totally misses the optics of a move such as this is meant to convey. OK, I can understand that, what I'm not so up for though, is that we, any of us here, really know what and if any agenda is going to be persuade, what external dynamics will show through on screen, I see your argument as valid and potentially correct, but I don't see it as persuasive and I'm not at all clear that it would be persuasive for Chris Chibnall either.
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Post by jasonward on Aug 23, 2017 18:50:44 GMT
The longer this goes on without confirmation from the BBC the less likely I think it is, the BBC rightly would want to generate some publicity and fanfare, but now its reached the point where if the BBC announces that it is Walsh the media will shrug and go, "yeah, we know, moving on..." Yeah but if something is not true you want to shut it down as soon as possible. I think the longer it goes without a direct denial, the more plausible I find the story. The BBC never moved to quash the Kris Marshall rumours, and even after Jodie was confirmed in the role his name was then touted as the next companion, again never quashed by the BBC, I would guess so long as a story isn't damaging to the brand, the BBC are quite happy to have papers print hyperbole about Who.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Aug 23, 2017 18:56:33 GMT
In real life, I agree with you. Happens all the time. My last relationship I was much older than she was but this isn't real life we are talking about. It's a 53 year old fantasy/science fiction show like Doctor Who. A show that has just committed to its biggest change ever. To try and impose real life situations on it totally misses the optics of a move such as this is meant to convey. OK, I can understand that, what I'm not so up for though, is that we, any of us here, really know what and if any agenda is going to be persuade, what external dynamics will show through on screen, I see your argument as valid and potentially correct, but I don't see it as persuasive and I'm not at all clear that it would be persuasive for Chris Chibnall either. LOL. Okay Jason. And where is anything I've said anything other than pure speculation based on what we may or may not know? All I'm saying is IF Bradley Walsh is the pick, or any older male really, then from a story point of view CC would be completely turning the tables on 50+ years of what we are used to seeing...which for most of that 50+ years means an older male whisking around time & space with a younger, usually female, companion. And for most of that history those relationships have been platonic. Mentor/student or quite literally what we got with series 10. I'm not saying if it is an older male that he would not fancy the new female Doctor but what I am saying that for the mental stability for a lot of the fandom such a twist on the classic Doctor/Companion relationship would be to keep it non-sexual. While still opening the door to a lot of interesting reversals on what we are used to seeing with the show.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 18:59:55 GMT
I like my Doctor Who without romance, be it male Doctor/female companion or vice versa, so whoever is the companion to Jodie's Doctor... no kissing please!
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Post by newt5996 on Aug 29, 2017 14:21:03 GMT
I like my Doctor Who without romance, be it male Doctor/female companion or vice versa, so whoever is the companion to Jodie's Doctor... no kissing please! I'd go further than that, NO FLIRTING PLEASE!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 22:06:29 GMT
I like my Doctor Who without romance, be it male Doctor/female companion or vice versa, so whoever is the companion to Jodie's Doctor... no kissing please! I'd like it. But only if we weren't saying goodbye to Bill.
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Post by number13 on Aug 30, 2017 13:13:55 GMT
I like my Doctor Who without romance, be it male Doctor/female companion or vice versa, so whoever is the companion to Jodie's Doctor... no kissing please! Quite right! As one of the tabloids put it in the 1980s: ' No hanky-panky in the TARDIS!' I like Tom Baker's idea that the Doctor has a certain innocent detachment, as seen in 'The Pirate Planet'. When he can't get any of the locals to talk to him, but Romana immediately can, K-9 explains: "She is much prettier than you are, master." And the Doctor says, in total surprise: " Is she?"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 16:12:04 GMT
I like my Doctor Who without romance, be it male Doctor/female companion or vice versa, so whoever is the companion to Jodie's Doctor... no kissing please! Quite right! As one of the tabloids put it in the 1980s: ' No hanky-panky in the TARDIS!' I like Tom Baker's idea that the Doctor has a certain innocent detachment, as seen in 'The Pirate Planet'. When he can't get any of the locals to talk to him, but Romana immediately can, K-9 explains: "She is much prettier than you are, master." And the Doctor says, in total surprise: " Is she?" That always made me cringe. K9, reducing Romana to "pretty". Urghh.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 16:49:49 GMT
Quite right! As one of the tabloids put it in the 1980s: ' No hanky-panky in the TARDIS!' I like Tom Baker's idea that the Doctor has a certain innocent detachment, as seen in 'The Pirate Planet'. When he can't get any of the locals to talk to him, but Romana immediately can, K-9 explains: "She is much prettier than you are, master." And the Doctor says, in total surprise: " Is she?" That always made me cringe. K9, reducing Romana to "pretty". Urghh. I didn't feel the metal dog was reducing her to anything. Has there been an official announcement about Bradley Walsh yet?
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Aug 30, 2017 21:22:04 GMT
I just saw an interview with Walsh where he reaffirms his commitment to The Chase without confirming or denying his involvement with Doctor Who. I believe there is something to this. I could of course be wrong.
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