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Post by mark687 on Oct 17, 2019 12:44:55 GMT
Hello - thick lad here again.
So, assuming the DUP provide the final hurdle to BJ's deal, will Boris take No Deal 'off the table' (as he is now in agreement with the EU as to how the UK will leave), giving the way clear for an election, which he will win, ditch the DUP and push through his deal? Or am I over-simplifying things?
Actually that's a good theory "I've got a Deal with EU Parliament rejected it, time the plebs got the chance to get descender's of Their Choice out, so a GE means 3 parties campaign on Remain, mine campaign Leave and have got a Deal, and no one wants Corbyn in".
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Post by lidar2 on Oct 17, 2019 13:43:51 GMT
Hello - thick lad here again.
So, assuming the DUP provide the final hurdle to BJ's deal, will Boris take No Deal 'off the table' (as he is now in agreement with the EU as to how the UK will leave), giving the way clear for an election, which he will win, ditch the DUP and push through his deal? Or am I over-simplifying things?
It's not "will he ditch the DUP?", he already has!
He wants to make no deal the only alternative to his deal, in order to pressure anti-no dealers, but with the passage of the Letwin amendment today, the motion on Saturday will be amendable so a 2nd referendum can be put on the table. Whether it has the numbers to get through, now that the alternative is BJ's deal rather than no-deal, is questionable, although the DUP might vote for a 2nd referendum if it was the only way of stopping the current deal.
The guarantees on workers rights, environment etc appear to have been watered down from May's deal, so that might make Labour MPs less likely to back BJ's. The prominent Labour brexiteer, Kate Hoey, is Belfast born and close to the DUP so possibly she might stick with them rather than supporting BJ's deal.
Who knows?
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Oct 17, 2019 13:45:58 GMT
Hello - thick lad here again.
So, assuming the DUP provide the final hurdle to BJ's deal, will Boris take No Deal 'off the table' (as he is now in agreement with the EU as to how the UK will leave), giving the way clear for an election, which he will win, ditch the DUP and push through his deal? Or am I over-simplifying things?
Actually that's a good theory "I've got a Deal with EU Parliament rejected it, time the plebs got the chance to get descender's of Their Choice out, so a GM means 3 parties campaign on Remain, mine campaign Leave and have got a Deal, and no one wants Corbyn in".
Regards
mark687
That's why Tony Blair is right to call an election an elephant trap for Labour and why all sensible Labour MPs want a referendum to settle brexit first.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Oct 18, 2019 12:51:55 GMT
I want to be in London tomorrow but I'm too spineless.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 13:06:43 GMT
I want to be in London tomorrow but I'm too spineless. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 14:45:57 GMT
I want to be in London tomorrow but I'm too spineless. Somehow I very much doubt that. Perhaps though you should be asking yourself what it is that is holding you back from going to London tomorrow. Work out the pros and cons. If you decide to go then be proud of yourself for facing your worries head on. If you choose not to go then nobody will think any less of you. It's your choice. And if we are going to throw out quotes from dead US Presidents, then allow me to throw in one that I say to myself from time to time when anxiety threatens to get the better of me. Courtesy of Franklin D Roosevelt himself : "The ONLY thing we have to fear is fear itself." (Caps lock emphasis is mine rather than FDR's) 🙂
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Post by sherlock on Oct 19, 2019 8:12:36 GMT
So ahead of ‘Super Saturday’-
-Two motions before the House; first a motion to support the deal, then if that fails a motion to support a no deal exit -Oliver Letwin has put forward an amendment which would make the deal motion passing actually fail to satisfy the Benn Act, thus activating the requirement for the government to ask for an extension (logic is to avoid inadvertent no deal due to Parliament failing to pass proper withdrawal agreement legislation in time for 31 October) -ERG/Spartans seem to onboard with the deal -Most of the ex-Tory independents seem onboard with the deal -DUP are not onboard with the deal, and apparently may even back the Letwin amendment -Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and majority of Labour expected to oppose the deal -Government has made a big pitch to Labour MPs, promising to enshrine protections for workers’ rights and the environment and updates to Parliament on free trade deal negotiations -Peter Kyle has put forward an amendment to the no deal motion for a second referendum
It’s gonna be a tight result.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Oct 19, 2019 12:20:20 GMT
Our very own Paul McGann pictured alongside Sir Patrick Stewart at the People's Vote March in London today on the Guardian's Live Updates page
EDIT: Strike that, caption below same photo on the BBC website says Stephen McGann and on closer examination it looks more like him
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Oct 19, 2019 12:59:26 GMT
I just want it done now, one way or the other or the other
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Post by lidar2 on Oct 19, 2019 13:52:55 GMT
Letwin amendment passed. There's still hope ...
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Post by sherlock on Oct 19, 2019 14:36:54 GMT
So now government is obligated to send a letter asking for an extension as the House hasn’t approved a deal before the deadline under the Benn Act. Johnson said he wouldn’t negotiate an extension so how he plans to square that circle I don’t know.
Meanwhile Rees-Mogg announced they plan another meaningful vote on Monday before introducing the withdrawal agreement legislation. What the actual purpose of having another meaningful vote when the deadline for an extension has passed anyway, I have no idea.
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Post by lidar2 on Oct 19, 2019 17:28:09 GMT
PREDICTION TIME - if this new deal has any legs at all, there will be a massive falling out between the DUP and the ERG and ironically the DUP and the remainers could end up being each others' new best friends in an effort to prevent a deal based on the latest compromise. You heard it here first. Told you
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Post by sherlock on Oct 19, 2019 21:13:45 GMT
Johnson/Cummings/Baldrick has had a cunning plan to get round breaking his promise not to negotiate an extension whilst also not breaking the law...to send not one, not two, but three letters to the EU
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Post by lidar2 on Oct 19, 2019 21:41:29 GMT
Johnson/Cummings/Baldrick has had a cunning plan to get round breaking his promise not to negotiate an extension whilst also not breaking the law...to send not one, not two, but three letters to the EU I thought ministers using their discretion to try to frustrate the intention of an Act of Parlaiment was prevented under the "Padfield principle" (from a 1968 court case)
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Post by sherlock on Oct 21, 2019 14:39:45 GMT
No Meaningful Vote today, on grounds of Erskine May (‘A motion or an amendment which is the same, in substance, as a question which has been decided during a session may not be brought forward again during that same session’).
So guess the government will have to go straight to introducing the withdrawal agreement legislation.
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Post by number13 on Oct 22, 2019 21:33:00 GMT
Quiet on this thread tonight... I guess nothing happened today then?
(Thread must be in limbo too... )
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Post by lidar2 on Oct 23, 2019 10:17:42 GMT
Amusing interview with Labour shadow cabinet member Richard Burgon on Sky about whether Labour should back an election
Sky: The polls say you won't win Burgon: Yes, but the polls said that last time Sky: Yes, and you didn't win last time
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Post by sherlock on Oct 23, 2019 10:29:03 GMT
So there may yet be a proper passage of the WAB. No election manoeuvring yet...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 10:55:19 GMT
Amusing interview with Labour shadow cabinet member Richard Burgon on Sky about whether Labour should back an election Sky: The polls say you won't win Burgon: Yes, but the polls said that last time Sky: Yes, and you didn't win last time The indomitable Kay Burley in action!
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Post by iainmclaughlin on Oct 23, 2019 11:33:42 GMT
Amusing interview with Labour shadow cabinet member Richard Burgon on Sky about whether Labour should back an election Sky: The polls say you won't win Burgon: Yes, but the polls said that last time Sky: Yes, and you didn't win last time Labour have many really good and competent MPs who are reasoned and excellent on TV. Unfortunately, for the most part, they're not on the Front Bench and instead, they trot out numpties who are like a flustered geography teacher on their first day at a crazy rough school full of kids who would put the wind right up the SAS. Yvette Cooper - excellent; Hilary Benn - excellent; Barry Gardener - not so much. A huge part of Labour's problem - and their leader is tied into this - is that they can't get a message out clearly. Their message isn't a simple one-line one anyway, so the conveying of it needs to be clear - and unfortunately it isn't. There are a few on Labour's Front Bench who are good TV performers but they can't do every bit of telly. There are times, when I'm watching the news, that I find myself hoping a shepherd's crook will come in off the side of the screen to hook Barry Gardener and his ilk off the screen and put us out of his misery.
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