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Post by number13 on Feb 3, 2020 12:44:14 GMT
Serious question: What would be the problem if the status quo is maintained with the EU re fishing and fish sales into the EU? Fishing and certainly fishing further offshore is primarily a Scottish industry and surely Scotland voted for the status quo so that would be a 'win'?
(I'm not saying it will/not turn out that way, I haven't a clue. And it probably wouldn't be popular in the SW.) For me personally? None whatsoever, but then I am not involved in the fishing industry and I don't eat much fish. I have this irrational fear of choking on a bone and can never enjoy a fish dish for worrying too much. I blame my mother for always warning me so much about the bones when I was a child, and training me to pick carefully through any fish before putting it in my mouth.
Back to your question .... taking back control of our waters was part of what the Leave campaign promised and the fishing industry has been one of the most pro-brexit industries. According to Farage & Co the EU lets Jonny Foreigner come into our waters and catch most of our fish while our poor fishermen end up impoverished because the nasty foreigners have got most of the fish they should be catching.
With regard to Scotland, although it was and is pro-Remain, let's not forget that approx. 38% voted Leave and the fishing industry was prominent amongst the 38%. I remember reading that the fishing vote was a significant factor in the Tories' 2017 revival in Scotland.
I saw an article last week on the BBC website that showed British boats got about a third of fish in UK waters, EU boats got 40% and Norway got 20%, so that is why it is such an emotive, flag-waving issue for the brexiteers and the fishing industry. In terms of its significance to UK GDP, fishing is little more than negligible but it is symbolically important in a urinating-contest kind of way.
Fishing illustrates (yet again) that brexit was sold on a false prospectus.
Thanks for the reply lidar and sorry to hear you can't enjoy fish - personally I love it and it's a very good protein source for being low-carbon too, now we think about such things more.
Yes, I do understand the political point you're making, that's very clear, thanks and I dare say you're right. But as I know you're unhappy with Brexit I couldn't understand why you termed it 'selling out' to keep the status quo in one area at least.
I see you were using it to illustrate the general politics of Brexit - I've got it now!
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Post by number13 on Feb 3, 2020 12:57:39 GMT
Somehow I don't think that someone putting up that kind of sign is going to listen to reason about how multi-lingual the UK already is - and a lot more people speak languages from other countries here than do the likes of Welsh or Gaelic, official languages or not. Debating with a closed mind? That person having the facts pointed out woud probably take that as liberal elitism, talking down to them. No doubt. But the false idea that Britain was ever a monoculture (before WWII or whenever people think) is part of the problem imo. Many countries in Europe were historically far more homogenous than us, in language or otherwise.
I don't remember ever being taught this at school (in England) in the 60s/70s; perhaps not surprising, but it should have been. Maybe it is now?
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Post by Star Platinum on Feb 3, 2020 19:24:13 GMT
As a Canadian onlooker watching everything go to pot, I have nothing for the best wishes for everyone living in this post Brexit Uk.
Good luck in this new day.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 21:26:15 GMT
EU has published its negotiating guidelines - it is clear fishing access to UK waters is going to be one of their red lines and the UK will have no option but to concede. Why would any sensible country put itself in this weakened position? Prediction time: Here's how the EU negotiations are going to go First the brexiteers sold out Northern Ireland, and I did not speak out— Because I was not from Northern Ireland. Then they sold out the fishermen, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a fisherman. Then they sold out .... etc., etc. Then they sold out the industry I work in — and I was too busy looking for another job to feed my family to speak out for myself. Weird how The Brexit party banged on about fishing rights considering Farage has an atrocious record when it comes to representing the UK fishing industry.
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Post by sherlock on Feb 27, 2020 10:46:46 GMT
Government has published its opening position on trade deal, including the possibility of walking away from talks in June and thus raising the spectre of no deal yet again.
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Post by lidar2 on Feb 27, 2020 11:36:18 GMT
Government has published its opening position on trade deal, including the possibility of walking away from talks in June and thus raising the spectre of no deal yet again. And if you believe that …
The UK will have no choice but to cave in (again)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 13:28:13 GMT
Government has published its opening position on trade deal, including the possibility of walking away from talks in June and thus raising the spectre of no deal yet again. Ah..the rattling of sabers and the banging of drums... Considering we are talking about a government whose leader assured us constantly last year that he would not be asking for an extension from the EU before asking for an extension from the EU, I'm not 100% convinced at present that this will amount to anything other than appealing to their voting base and a great deal of Trump styled posturing from said leader. We will see what happens.
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Post by Digi on Mar 2, 2020 23:15:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 23:48:48 GMT
Irony died almost four years ago. This is just the latest in an occasional poke at it's corpse. I'm going to resist the temptation to comment on the words of the two "useful idiots" in the CNN article, but will point out what it partly does - that not only were we under no obligation to change the colour in 1988, but we could have changed the colour back at anytime and the EU would not have battered an eyelid.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Mar 5, 2020 13:29:01 GMT
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Post by lidar2 on Mar 25, 2020 14:28:52 GMT
How I long for the good old days when brexit was all we had to worry about
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Mar 25, 2020 15:55:55 GMT
Am I allowed to hope that this virus may change things. Esp I'd certain people get a bad case?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 15:10:32 GMT
I feel the complete opposite. But out of interest, how specifically will your life be better by leaving the EU. We need take back control of our country & not be ruled by others we've taken in more immigrants than other countries who have not contributed to our economy but either taken jobs cause of cheap labour which isn't fair to them or our UK workers, many immigrants coming over have used our benefit system, Nhs & bleed our resources dry, sooner or later the wishing wells going dry up, EU has done nothing for us & the Euro as a currency is on it's arse & were better out than in. We should be free negotiate our own trade deals & have a point system like Australia of those seeking live in England can afford to. Time make Britain great again, is it going to happen over night of course not there be obstacles in the way but i have to believe that in the long term it is the best deal for us leaving the E.U. Sorry if people disagree but that is my opinions. You shouldn't apologise for your opinion. And for what it's worth I agree with you.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Apr 22, 2020 15:17:31 GMT
We need take back control of our country & not be ruled by others we've taken in more immigrants than other countries who have not contributed to our economy but either taken jobs cause of cheap labour which isn't fair to them or our UK workers, many immigrants coming over have used our benefit system, Nhs & bleed our resources dry, sooner or later the wishing wells going dry up, EU has done nothing for us & the Euro as a currency is on it's arse & were better out than in. We should be free negotiate our own trade deals & have a point system like Australia of those seeking live in England can afford to. Time make Britain great again, is it going to happen over night of course not there be obstacles in the way but i have to believe that in the long term it is the best deal for us leaving the E.U. Sorry if people disagree but that is my opinions. You shouldn't apologise for your opinion. And for what it's worth I agree with you. You agree? Then please, can you tell how specifically your life will be improved once Brexit is completed? Not vague phrases like 'getting our country back' or 'make Britain great again'. What specifically is the EU doing that is impeding on your daily life?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 15:35:12 GMT
How I long for the good old days when brexit was all we had to worry about I am finding it hard to remember the golden years before we only had Brexit to worry about!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2020 3:28:24 GMT
You can't have the same benefits outside the club as when you were in, we demand we have the same fishing rights when you're outside the club as when you were in - REALLY !!
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Apr 30, 2020 6:52:17 GMT
You can't have the same benefits outside the club as when you were in, we demand we have the same fishing rights when you're outside the club as when you were in - REALLY !! Fishing rights! lol
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Post by sherlock on Jun 5, 2020 11:21:19 GMT
Reminder that Brexit is still ongoing and at the moment is slowly moving to a total crashout.
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Post by sherlock on Jun 15, 2020 14:51:05 GMT
Sabre-rattling has begun, yet again.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jun 15, 2020 14:59:50 GMT
Sabre-rattling has begun, yet again. Yep, shameful behaviour. He wants us to crash out, then he can do sly deals with Trump. RIP NHS.
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