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Post by elkawho on Apr 22, 2023 3:27:11 GMT
Well, that finale TOTALLY stuck the landing. It gave us back what the films ruined, that lovely low key end with the card game, and just enough fan-service (Chekov must be old as Methusela, maybe he was in a transporter accident too!) And anyone doubting Terry is re-writing what Chabon and Kurtzman created now he had full say - he's not only swatted aside the dumb Juradi Borg but now reversed the dumb decision to kill off Q and reset the stardate! And said that Kurtzman's new baby, the Academy show is "not in our Picard timeline". Just one thing....when Shelby was killed, she was on the Enterprise F. What happened to that? Did it get "demoted" to being the Titan? Loved it. A satisfying resolution, something for EVERY cast member to do - who didn't cheer when Data flew on his guts or Deanna sensed Wills dying words? It's so good to know it ended like this. So very, very good. It's the ending we've been robbed off since Generations in 1995. With Disco's last season soon - a show that also started poorly and improved when certain people came in and others left and the ship went to the future and Strange New Worlds already a wonderful show? LIVE ACTION STAR TREK IS ALL GOOD!!! Not been able to say that since the mid 90s! Do not sleep on Lower Decks and Prodigy though, the animated shows. Lower Decks starts mixed but eventually becomes a comedy with heart and Prodigy is the most Roddenberry of all "New Trek" - with wonder, adventure and boldly going at the very heart. And Michelle "Wow" Yeoh is getting her Section 31 standalone movie. Anyone who watches my YT channel knows Michelle and I have a very special relationship! Agreed! It was wonderful. The only thing in this post I disagree with is Disco. I thought the last season was unwatchable.
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Post by coffeeaddict on Apr 22, 2023 10:19:18 GMT
Well, that finale TOTALLY stuck the landing. It gave us back what the films ruined, that lovely low key end with the card game, and just enough fan-service (Chekov must be old as Methusela, maybe he was in a transporter accident too!) And anyone doubting Terry is re-writing what Chabon and Kurtzman created now he had full say - he's not only swatted aside the dumb Juradi Borg but now reversed the dumb decision to kill off Q and reset the stardate! And said that Kurtzman's new baby, the Academy show is "not in our Picard timeline". Just one thing....when Shelby was killed, she was on the Enterprise F. What happened to that? Did it get "demoted" to being the Titan? Loved it. A satisfying resolution, something for EVERY cast member to do - who didn't cheer when Data flew on his guts or Deanna sensed Wills dying words? It's so good to know it ended like this. So very, very good. It's the ending we've been robbed off since Generations in 1995. With Disco's last season soon - a show that also started poorly and improved when certain people came in and others left and the ship went to the future and Strange New Worlds already a wonderful show? LIVE ACTION STAR TREK IS ALL GOOD!!! Not been able to say that since the mid 90s! Do not sleep on Lower Decks and Prodigy though, the animated shows. Lower Decks starts mixed but eventually becomes a comedy with heart and Prodigy is the most Roddenberry of all "New Trek" - with wonder, adventure and boldly going at the very heart. And Michelle "Wow" Yeoh is getting her Section 31 standalone movie. Anyone who watches my YT channel knows Michelle and I have a very special relationship! Wasn't it Chekov's son or grandson? Pretty sure the name was Anton, not Pavel. Or am I misunderstand you?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2023 10:49:31 GMT
Well, when you have Chekov's Son at the start, you have to use it later on.....
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Post by timleschild on Apr 22, 2023 12:42:21 GMT
Well, that finale TOTALLY stuck the landing. It gave us back what the films ruined, that lovely low key end with the card game, and just enough fan-service (Chekov must be old as Methusela, maybe he was in a transporter accident too!) And anyone doubting Terry is re-writing what Chabon and Kurtzman created now he had full say - he's not only swatted aside the dumb Juradi Borg but now reversed the dumb decision to kill off Q and reset the stardate! And said that Kurtzman's new baby, the Academy show is "not in our Picard timeline". Just one thing....when Shelby was killed, she was on the Enterprise F. What happened to that? Did it get "demoted" to being the Titan? Loved it. A satisfying resolution, something for EVERY cast member to do - who didn't cheer when Data flew on his guts or Deanna sensed Wills dying words? It's so good to know it ended like this. So very, very good. It's the ending we've been robbed off since Generations in 1995. With Disco's last season soon - a show that also started poorly and improved when certain people came in and others left and the ship went to the future and Strange New Worlds already a wonderful show? LIVE ACTION STAR TREK IS ALL GOOD!!! Not been able to say that since the mid 90s! Do not sleep on Lower Decks and Prodigy though, the animated shows. Lower Decks starts mixed but eventually becomes a comedy with heart and Prodigy is the most Roddenberry of all "New Trek" - with wonder, adventure and boldly going at the very heart. And Michelle "Wow" Yeoh is getting her Section 31 standalone movie. Anyone who watches my YT channel knows Michelle and I have a very special relationship! Wasn't it Chekov's son or grandson? Pretty sure the name was Anton, not Pavel. Or am I misunderstand you? Son, he got it wrong. & yes it was Anton a nice homage to Anton Yelchin.
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Post by mark687 on Apr 22, 2023 16:41:38 GMT
I'm going to be controversial, I wanted a death big death. Riker, Worf or Jean Luc there should've been a cost to victory, (and Shaw don't count cause he should've died opening the nacels in EP 3 after his complexes and ego were brought into check) Otherwise a fine Adieu to the Golden Age of Trek.
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Post by The Brigadier on Apr 22, 2023 20:54:56 GMT
I'm going to be controversial, I wanted a death big death. Riker, Worf or Jean Luc there should've been a cost to victory, (and Shaw don't count cause he should've died opening the nacels in EP 3 after his complexes and ego were brought into check) Otherwise a fine Adieu to the Golden Age of Trek. Regards mark687 Nurse?? NURSE!!! THE SMELLING SALTS!!! 🤪
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Apr 23, 2023 8:38:45 GMT
I'm going to be controversial, I wanted a death big death. Riker, Worf or Jean Luc there should've been a cost to victory, (and Shaw don't count cause he should've died opening the nacels in EP 3 after his complexes and ego were brought into check) Otherwise a fine Adieu to the Golden Age of Trek. Regards mark687 One could argue {Spoiler} We witnessed the extinction of the Borg.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Apr 23, 2023 9:20:07 GMT
Chekov must be old as Methusela, maybe he was in a transporter accident too! Wasn't it Chekov's son or grandson? In the books, he gets *very* old, and has to reach his great age the long way round. He's still captaining starships on secret missions into his second century.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2023 14:53:54 GMT
There's a fab book where Scotty goes rogue and steals an old Constitution ship, wires it up so he can fly it solo and Picard and co have to stop him - one of those classic "He's lost his mind!" "No, he's a traitor!" but he's got a really good reason kinda stories all the way back to THe Menagerie. Also a really good story about post-ReUnification Spock and even Bones gets to do his thing as the ancient ambassador. The title is...a wee bit on the nose though. But FUN read, especially for Scotty saying "I'm not leaving this up to the TNG kids...this is a job for Kirk's crew..."
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Post by timleschild on Apr 23, 2023 15:31:14 GMT
I'm going to be controversial, I wanted a death big death. Riker, Worf or Jean Luc there should've been a cost to victory, (and Shaw don't count cause he should've died opening the nacels in EP 3 after his complexes and ego were brought into check) Otherwise a fine Adieu to the Golden Age of Trek. Regards mark687 Raffi should have died.
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Post by Star Platinum on Apr 23, 2023 17:05:56 GMT
I'm going to be controversial, I wanted a death big death. Riker, Worf or Jean Luc there should've been a cost to victory, (and Shaw don't count cause he should've died opening the nacels in EP 3 after his complexes and ego were brought into check) Otherwise a fine Adieu to the Golden Age of Trek. Regards mark687 Raffi should have died. I’m glad you don’t write for trek.
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Post by timleschild on Apr 23, 2023 17:11:23 GMT
I’m glad you don’t write for trek. ok
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Post by Digi on Apr 23, 2023 17:30:21 GMT
There's a fab book where Scotty goes rogue and steals an old Constitution ship, wires it up so he can fly it solo and Picard and co have to stop him - one of those classic "He's lost his mind!" "No, he's a traitor!" but he's got a really good reason kinda stories all the way back to THe Menagerie. Also a really good story about post-ReUnification Spock and even Bones gets to do his thing as the ancient ambassador. The title is...a wee bit on the nose though. But FUN read, especially for Scotty saying "I'm not leaving this up to the TNG kids...this is a job for Kirk's crew..." I've read this one. It's a bit heavily fanfic-y/fan service-y, but is a really fun read. Tying the loose threads from Encounter at Farpoint/Unification/Relics together in a silly TOS-esque romp that was just a ball to read.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Apr 23, 2023 19:51:24 GMT
As the kids say, game recognizes game.
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Post by The Brigadier on Apr 23, 2023 22:49:39 GMT
There's a fab book where Scotty goes rogue and steals an old Constitution ship, wires it up so he can fly it solo and Picard and co have to stop him - one of those classic "He's lost his mind!" "No, he's a traitor!" but he's got a really good reason kinda stories all the way back to THe Menagerie. Also a really good story about post-ReUnification Spock and even Bones gets to do his thing as the ancient ambassador. The title is...a wee bit on the nose though. But FUN read, especially for Scotty saying "I'm not leaving this up to the TNG kids...this is a job for Kirk's crew..." Wow..a blast from the past...that would have been well over twenty five years ago when I last read this one. And you are right - was definitely a fun read. Weird though how just looking at the cover and considering how much time has passed I can see some of the plot elements...Spock getting into trouble with the Romulans, Scotty doing exactly what you said and McCoy initially being the very thing he used to rail against in the the original series (the pompous diplomat/Admiral). Pure fan service of course, and not quite on a par with the books the Reeves Stevens (pre the Shatner novels) or Peter David were churning out back then. But definitely written with a lot of affection for the old crew in the TNG era. Actually...now I'm thinking about it...I'm wondering if I might still have the book (plus a few others) sitting in a box up in the loft...🤔 Thanks for triggering some old memories...
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Post by The Brigadier on Apr 24, 2023 16:31:13 GMT
**Reposted here as originally posted in the wrong thread...and I thought of a couple of more things to say...**
Star Trek : Picard - Season 3 Part 10 - "The Last Generation" - Finally got round to watching it this morning
I could nitpick the leaps in logic in this final episode...but I won't.
I could tut disapprovingly over the shameless theft of a particular scene from Return of the Jedi...but I won't. (Absolute kudos to the writers though for having the sheer balls to include the line "here goes nothing!" before the Enterprise started the attack run into the heart of the second Death Star...🤪)
I could grumble that a certain Irish / Romulan housekeeper's storyline was never fully resolved...but I won't. (Never mind Star Trek : Legacy...I can be fully compensated for the omission with 10 episodes of Star Trek : Laris...😍)
I could moan that the rechristening of the Titan-A to the Enterprise-G was a missed opportunity by the writers. That if they had just recalled a certain scene during "The Bounty" between Jack and Seven about family and home, stuck her on the shuttle with Jean Luc, Beverly and Jack and painted the words "USS Voyager NCC 74656" and whatever letter of the alphabet they're up to now on the ship's hull...not only would they have gone for the emotional jugular ("names mean everything"), but nicely resolved the character's story arc if Star Trek : Legacy never happens.
As for the Enterprise...we now have the eighth vessel to bear the name, registry number and everything that goes with it, but if legacy is the name of the game then they missed another opportunity. They could have had Geordi stalking the corridors of the Enterprise-F, channeling his inner Montgomery Scott and yelling at the repair crews. Reminding them that "just because something is old...", "how many times? The right tools for the right job!" or words to that effect. Or if we are having the next letter in the alphabet, then they could have had the old crew attend the ceremony that saw not only the retirement of the Enterprise-D and the Enterprise-F, but the keel being laid for the Enterprise-G (and the Titan-B). The symbolic passing of a torch from one generation to the next.
But that is just me channeling my inner writer. None of that really mattered.
Because what the finale was...what the whole season was...was fun. And it was entertaining. And it was a nostalgia filled headrush. And it was a far more fitting farewell to the crew than the god awful Nemesis gave us. Hell, it was a far more fitting farewell to the Enterprise-D than Generations gave us.
It was pure fan service. An absolute love letter. And if this is the final chapter for the TNG era...it was enough. 😊
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Post by tuigirl on Apr 24, 2023 17:35:43 GMT
**Reposted here as originally posted in the wrong thread...and I thought of a couple of more things to say...** Star Trek : Picard - Season 3 Part 10 - "The Last Generation" - Finally got round to watching it this morning I could nitpick the leaps in logic in this final episode...but I won't. I could tut disapprovingly over the shameless theft of a particular scene from Return of the Jedi...but I won't. (Absolute kudos to the writers though for having the sheer balls to include the line "here goes nothing!" before the Enterprise started the attack run into the heart of the second Death Star...🤪) I could grumble that a certain Irish / Romulan housekeeper's storyline was never fully resolved...but I won't. (Never mind Star Trek : Legacy...I can be fully compensated for the omission with 10 episodes of Star Trek : Laris...😍) I could moan that the rechristening of the Titan-A to the Enterprise-G was a missed opportunity by the writers. That if they had just recalled a certain scene during "The Bounty" between Jack and Seven about family and home, stuck her on the shuttle with Jean Luc, Beverly and Jack and painted the words "USS Voyager NCC 74656" and whatever letter of the alphabet they're up to now on the ship's hull...not only would they have gone for the emotional jugular ("names mean everything"), but nicely resolved the character's story arc if Star Trek : Legacy never happens. As for the Enterprise...we now have the eighth vessel to bear the name, registry number and everything that goes with it, but if legacy is the name of the game then they missed another opportunity. They could have had Geordi stalking the corridors of the Enterprise-F, channeling his inner Montgomery Scott and yelling at the repair crews. Reminding them that "just because something is old...", "how many times? The right tools for the right job!" or words to that effect. Or if we are having the next letter in the alphabet, then they could have had the old crew attend the ceremony that saw not only the retirement of the Enterprise-D and the Enterprise-F, but the keel being laid for the Enterprise-G (and the Titan-B). The symbolic passing of a torch from one generation to the next. But that is just me channeling my inner writer. None of that really mattered. Because what the finale was...what the whole season was...was fun. And it was entertaining. And it was a nostalgia filled headrush. And it was a far more fitting farewell to the crew than the god awful Nemesis gave us. Hell, it was a far more fitting farewell to the Enterprise-D than Generations gave us. It was pure fan service. An absolute love letter. And if this is the final chapter for the TNG era...it was enough. 😊 Hear, hear!
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Post by Kestrel on Apr 27, 2023 11:21:12 GMT
I really enjoyed my time watching the finale, and am definitely in the camp of "S3 is what S1 should have been," but I'm still not sure what I think about PIC as a whole. I think I'm probably just gonna have to revisit it in a few months so I can approach it through a more a objective lens -- I'm still riding high on the joy of seeing these characters back on the screen, acting much more like their TNG iterations than... whatever it was S1 thought it was doing.
Though I do gotta say re: the ending... called it!
I'd also be remiss if I didn't also say I kind of hate how PIC -- and the New Trek era in general -- has treated its starships. I really get the feeling the producers don't really care to think too deeply about the setting, and view the ships as more of an afterthought than anything. Like the prior Enterprises all went through fairly long, iterative design processes before they were perfected... shaped to fit their role in the narrative. But the 1701-G? But I'll readily admit that's because of my autistic hyperfixation on starships, and it's really a substantive complaint so much as a very peculiar pet peeve.
EDIT: Also, new season is Strange New Worlds is coming up real soon! Y'all as excited for that as I am?
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Post by timleschild on Apr 27, 2023 16:52:58 GMT
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Apr 27, 2023 20:28:11 GMT
I’d like to see them jump forward to spend more time in the 32nd century for the next series. Enterprise-N or O or whatever they’re up to as the the hero ship, naturally.
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