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Post by mark687 on Apr 16, 2018 16:06:26 GMT
No I don't because the only thing haven't covered (the kid and Orson) were unresolved waste of time because Jenna didn't want to leave and Moffatt ended Danny as he did.
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Not to be rude, but I am pointing out things that you have clearly missed. Again not being rude but its actually your interpretation of the story as you saw it (and its very commendable) unfortunately that's not how I saw it and won't change my mind.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 16:08:52 GMT
Not to be rude, but I am pointing out things that you have clearly missed. Again not being rude but its actually your interpretation of the story as you saw it (and its very commendable) unfortunately that's not how I saw it and won't change my mind.
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But, it's not backed up by evidence. Anyway, this is getting really weird. I'm blocking you, you are starting to make me feel very uncomfortable.
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Post by mark687 on Apr 16, 2018 16:17:21 GMT
Again not being rude but its actually your interpretation of the story as you saw it (and its very commendable) unfortunately that's not how I saw it and won't change my mind.
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But, it's not backed up by evidence. Anyway, this is getting really weird. I'm blocking you, you are starting to make me feel very uncomfortable. Oh I'm sorry to hear that its never my intention to distress anyone.
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Post by thethirddoctor on Apr 16, 2018 16:21:54 GMT
You like Bill? Would you keep her ending? Being killed, turned to a Cyberman, and eventually becoming immortal? And, constantly reminding us she's a lesbian? I've seen a lot of comments online refer to this apparent constant mention of her sexuality so I counted all the times it comes up: 1. The Pilot: Her relationship with Heather 2. Knock Knock: Explains her sexuality to a housemate 3. Extremis: Her date with Penny 4. The Pyramid at the End of the World: Her date with Penny 5. The Eaters of Light: Explains her sexuality to a Roman soldier 6. The Doctor Falls: Mentions it when parting with the Doctor and Heather reappears 7. Twice Upon a Time: Mentions it when arguing with the first Doctor and the Captain So out of Bill's appearances in 13 episodes, her sexuality comes up in about half of them, usually very fleetingly. In my opinion that's not really constantly reminding us. I liked Bill and Nardole and would have happily seen them stay on for another series. But I suppose you should always leave your audience wanting more. 7 out of 13 episodes is NOT constantly reminding us? Jeez.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 16:32:57 GMT
Again not being rude but its actually your interpretation of the story as you saw it (and its very commendable) unfortunately that's not how I saw it and won't change my mind.
But, it's not backed up by evidence. Anyway, this is getting really weird. I'm blocking you, you are starting to make me feel very uncomfortable. By disagreeing with you? People have dfferent opinions and yes, two people can take different things from the same episode of Doctor Who. You shouldn't feel uncomfortable at all. Some people like Danny Pink, some people don't. Nobody is right or wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 17:15:31 GMT
But, it's not backed up by evidence. Anyway, this is getting really weird. I'm blocking you, you are starting to make me feel very uncomfortable. Oh I'm sorry to hear that its never my intention to distress anyone.
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You said absolutely nothing wrong Mark.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 18:23:45 GMT
I've seen a lot of comments online refer to this apparent constant mention of her sexuality so I counted all the times it comes up: 1. The Pilot: Her relationship with Heather 2. Knock Knock: Explains her sexuality to a housemate 3. Extremis: Her date with Penny 4. The Pyramid at the End of the World: Her date with Penny 5. The Eaters of Light: Explains her sexuality to a Roman soldier 6. The Doctor Falls: Mentions it when parting with the Doctor and Heather reappears 7. Twice Upon a Time: Mentions it when arguing with the first Doctor and the Captain So out of Bill's appearances in 13 episodes, her sexuality comes up in about half of them, usually very fleetingly. In my opinion that's not really constantly reminding us. I liked Bill and Nardole and would have happily seen them stay on for another series. But I suppose you should always leave your audience wanting more. 7 out of 13 episodes is NOT constantly reminding us? Jeez. No it quite clearly isn't. 13 out of 13 WOULD BE constantly reminding us & I'd still argue that, if it followed the examples above, it would seem to be no more than a gay woman in the 21st century being depicted in a realistic way. Which I have no problem with.
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Post by ollychops on Apr 16, 2018 18:50:47 GMT
If we're going by that logic, then Amy/Rory and Clara/Danny were constantly reminding us of their sexuality in their respective series... I don't see anyone moaning about having their sexuality shoved down our throats, so why should it matter with Bill?
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Apr 16, 2018 18:58:46 GMT
7 out of 13 episodes is NOT constantly reminding us? Jeez. No it quite clearly isn't. 13 out of 13 WOULD BE constantly reminding us & I'd still argue that, if it followed the examples above, it would seem to be no more than a gay woman in the 21st century being depicted in a realistic way. Which I have no problem with. So it is okay for the straight characters to behave in straight ways when it comes to the opposite sex but if a gay woman goes out on a date with another gay woman then it is constantly reminding of the audience of her sexuality? In 2017? Really?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 19:12:50 GMT
(I know this might be off topic and please call me out if it is, but, even though i don’t believe bill is an example of this, why do people have such a problem with positive discrimination? For instance only auditioning for a female doctor or having a LGBT character. It’s representing the society we live in how not everyones the same and, and imo celebrates that by featureing Bill or Captain Jack or Cassandra...i always found it odd that people took issue with it :/ but that’s me.) As for something more on topic, i’d say the only thing that didn’t do loads for me was the “Me” arc thing. Capaldis era has been one of my faveorites and so i really wouldn’t change a whole lot of it.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Apr 16, 2018 19:46:36 GMT
It should have lasted longer.
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Post by thethirddoctor on Apr 16, 2018 19:52:50 GMT
7 out of 13 episodes is NOT constantly reminding us? Jeez. No it quite clearly isn't. 13 out of 13 WOULD BE constantly reminding us & I'd still argue that, if it followed the examples above, it would seem to be no more than a gay woman in the 21st century being depicted in a realistic way. Which I have no problem with. It's all about how it is done. Hardly subtle.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 20:12:08 GMT
Needed a new logo and everything in series 8. Branding-wise, things just seemed to fizzle out a bit.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Apr 16, 2018 20:27:52 GMT
No it quite clearly isn't. 13 out of 13 WOULD BE constantly reminding us & I'd still argue that, if it followed the examples above, it would seem to be no more than a gay woman in the 21st century being depicted in a realistic way. Which I have no problem with. It's all about how it is done. Hardly subtle. Specifics as to what you find objectionable please. How are writers supposed to write about gay characters? What is your baseline for overt and subtle behaviors displayed by the characters?
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Post by thethirddoctor on Apr 16, 2018 20:40:35 GMT
It's all about how it is done. Hardly subtle. Specifics as to what you find objectionable please. How are writers supposed to write about gay characters? What is your baseline for overt and subtle behaviors displayed by the characters? You don't have then screaming "I'm a lesbian"! In the Roman scene in The Eaters of Light, she could have said she wasn't interested in him. But, instead she said it's because she's a lesbian. I've never been a fan of companion relationships Rose/Mickey, Rose/Doctor, Amy/Doctor, Amy/Rory, Clara/Doctor, Clara/Danny, Bill/whoever.... It gets in the way of the alien invasion story. An unnecessary distraction. How much of The Power of Three is actually about the invasion?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 20:44:19 GMT
No it quite clearly isn't. 13 out of 13 WOULD BE constantly reminding us & I'd still argue that, if it followed the examples above, it would seem to be no more than a gay woman in the 21st century being depicted in a realistic way. Which I have no problem with. It's all about how it is done. Hardly subtle. OK, but we must disagree on this. As I said, it seemed like a gay woman in the 21st century being depicted in a realistic way to me.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Apr 16, 2018 20:47:14 GMT
It's all about how it is done. Hardly subtle. OK, but we must disagree on this. As I said, it seemed like a gay woman in the 21st century being depicted in a realistic way to me. No, you are pretty much right.
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Post by thethirddoctor on Apr 16, 2018 20:51:05 GMT
OK, but we must disagree on this. As I said, it seemed like a gay woman in the 21st century being depicted in a realistic way to me. No, you are pretty much right. No, it doesn't.
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Post by christmastrenzalore on Apr 16, 2018 20:57:04 GMT
Keep Series 8 roughly the same warts and all. Just make the characterisation of 12 more distinct, in that he's still has good intentions but is pretty emotionally tactless, and paint a clearer picture of what's caused his militant hatred of soldiers. And maybe have Colin Baker play Santa in Last Christmas (though I'm tempted to cut that, as the warped Gift of the Magi breakup between The Doctor and Clara was one of the better scenes of the Series.) I'm tempted to say cut all of Series 9, but for hypothetical's sake; drop the whole hybrid malarkey, and keep Clara gone, having a Capaldi solo-series. A Doctor who doesn't trust himself to travel with someone full time for what havok he might wreak on someone's life. Then the Christmas special with River and his eventual team-up with Bill serve as the cathartic payoff. In the first story, Missy and Kate Lethbridge-Stewart fill the role of companion. Not sure about Under the Lake, maybe solo-Doctor version. The Girl Who Died is just the Doctor and Ashildr. The Zygon story is Osgood and Kate. Sleep No More is solo. Face the Raven is just the Doctor and Rigsy, focused down to the Who Dun it Aspect. Heaven Sent is reworked into a battle with The Toymaker, and the Doctor's victory earns him the location of Gallifrey, which is played more for joy than dread. In my head I imagine the Doctor emerging from the Castle dimension, and on a stumble, rolls down a rocky hill onto his back. Then a single leaf drifts down onto his face. He lifts it, and his eyes widen as he recognises the shimmering silver coating. Gingerly, he reaches aside and runs his hands through the patches of red grass. And as the suns slowly rise over the horizen, the plains of snowy mountains and the great capitol dome stand mighty in the distance, and the Doctor is briefly brought to tears as he looks out ... ...the joy is short lived. A new determination brews in the Doctor, as he sets out to right some terrible wrongs. Hellbent is mostly rewritten to be all about the Doctor and those who stand with him overthrowing the regime. (Some Gallifreyans do idolize him, but others resent him for trapping them in another dimension for so long). Series 10 is mostly the same, on account of being a great Series. Just two episodes. Rewrite the third Monk episode. The mid-series trilogy was really going so well, but the final part was just awful. And the Christmas special is rewritten as an in-head hallucination, without either Doctor dreading regeneration, and ends Capaldi waking up and visiting Susan before he regenerates.
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Post by bobod on Apr 16, 2018 21:01:52 GMT
"This isn't an argument, this is just contradiction."
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