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Post by theillusiveman on Feb 22, 2021 7:25:16 GMT
I though it was about time I get around to the set. I didn't look at the files carefully and thought I'd only loaded Part 1 into the player, and by the time I realized I'd loaded the whole thing I was enjoying it enough that I was happy to continue to the end. I really don't know enough about the history of this (I haven't got to any extras or behind-the-scenes yet) so I'm not sure it would be fair to criticize some of it. Issues of performer availability might certainly explain away my dislikes. I had a hard time picking out Simms and MacQueen and Gatiss, I'm guessing because of a general shortage of lines (?) - I can live with that and again there may be reasons but I still had sort of a huge sticking point with one thing {Spoiler}Which was the spontaneous recasting of the 3rd Doctor. I've taken to Tim Treloar quite well but it did take some time and even a bit of philosophy whereas this was just sort of "plop!" I got the point of celebrating the era of the Master's introduction, which made Jo a wonderful and perfectly sensible addition to the cast, but trying to invoke the Third Doctor without Treloar just wasn't worth it - it somehow totally felt like a recast too far. I guess the less excitable thing to say is simply that it sounded like Culshaw's Brigadier to me, but it's the first time I've experienced between taken out of a story in a way I want to compare to being shot out of a rocket. I spent at least several hours contemplating whether I should just go back and try to edit it out somehow with leaving a conspicuous absence in its wake. That said, I still think personally that this was worth the price of admission just for Gomez and Beevers alone if nothing else, and moreso if you don't already have the Short Trips. Honestly i was the opposite i felt that Culshaw nailed The part of The Third Doctor and felt more authentic in voice comparison to the 3DAs version
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Post by thelonecenturion on Feb 22, 2021 9:19:06 GMT
So, it occurs to me that this Boxset leaves us with one somewhat glaring unanswered question: why Jo Grant? Like... what was the point of bringing a classic companion into this story in the first place, and of all of them, why her? My only thinking is that maybe she serves as a kinda-sorta stand-in for the absent Delgado Master, but even then... I never really got the sense in the TV show that the Master and Jo had much of a relationship--the former was so fixated on the Doctor I'm not entirely convinced he knew the latter's name. It also seems a bit odd to pair her with Missy, as Missy is about as far removed from the Delgado-type Master as is possible... in the context of this story, especially, it might've been better to pair her with the Crispy Master, who is closer (both temporally and in terms of personality) to the Delgado Master, since he's found an opportunity here to be the "good person" Jo claimed to sense in "her" Master. I wonder if this hypothetical pairing might also make the ultimate resolution to Crispy's story a bit more interesting, as Jo could provide some resistance to the Roberts Master, since Beevers' is so passive in those final scenes. I dunno. Jo just feels like an odd addition to the story who doesn't really wind up doing much. It was not only The 50th Anniversary of The Master but The 50th Anniversary of Jo Grants Debut in Terror of The Autons i guess it was a way of doing 2 birds with 1 stone i agree Jo and Beevers would have been a better pairing
From the behind-the-scenes, it seems like the decision to include Jo was also as a way to represent the era of the Delgado Master, not just because it was the 50th anniversary of Jo.
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Post by Kestrel on Feb 26, 2021 3:53:41 GMT
That makes sense. It's been a long time since I watched Terror of the Autons (well, okay, maybe not that long) and I totally forgot the Master was introduced there! I always think of Delgado as being a later addition... in retrospect, it's kinda impressive how all of the key, defining elements of the 3rd Doctor's era were present from the first episode. ....I had a hard time picking out Simms and MacQueen and Gatiss, I'm guessing because of a general shortage of lines (?) - I can live with that and again there may be reasons but I still had sort of a huge sticking point with one thing. I had the same issue, especially with Simm. I think it's a very good thing they separated the Masters into pairs so quickly, as I had a lot of trouble keeping track of who was who when they were all together in the same scene. i can't really articulate why I had trouble for the others, but for Simm, at least, I think he was trying to portray a different version of the Master--something in-between his ultimate and penultimate stories in the TV show. The thing is... the quiet menace of his Master in The Doctor Falls is pretty different from the more overwrought violence of the Master in The End of Time, so there's no clear middle-ground between the two performances. And by trying to hit that middle-ground, Simm didn't really sound like either version of the character.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Mar 8, 2021 7:50:16 GMT
Something of a complicated story in the end... I'll be looking forward to Bradley's Basement's update. Just finished 'Masterful' at last!
(sighs) What a mess!
Tim.
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Post by mark687 on Mar 11, 2021 18:45:14 GMT
Regards
mark687
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Mar 12, 2021 0:28:49 GMT
ATTN: All Aussies.. I have confirmation the 5th of Feb orders for Masterful have arrived in Oz. A mate just picked his up .. 5 weeks postage, not bad..
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Mar 27, 2021 0:52:02 GMT
Ok @all Aussies on this forum..
Has anyone received their physical boxset of Masterful yet from the disptach email from February 5th? HHMM
:-(
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Post by Whovitt on Mar 27, 2021 1:25:31 GMT
Ok @all Aussies on this forum.. Has anyone received their physical boxset of Masterful yet from the disptach email from February 5th? HHMM :-( I thought you said you'd heard from a mate that their copy had arrived (or I may be going crazy...)? Either way, no sign of mine yet (though mine was sent on the 6th, and it's amazing how much difference that could make!). If it's not here in the next fortnight then I'll probably send a e-mail sales' way.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Mar 27, 2021 3:17:22 GMT
Ok @all Aussies on this forum.. Has anyone received their physical boxset of Masterful yet from the disptach email from February 5th? HHMM :-( I thought you said you'd heard from a mate that their copy had arrived (or I may be going crazy...)? Either way, no sign of mine yet (though mine was sent on the 6th, and it's amazing how much difference that could make!). If it's not here in the next fortnight then I'll probably send a e-mail sales' way. Yes, a mate who lives in Canberra. I dunno, does international mail hit the nation's capital 1st?
Very frustrating not being received yet- next week will just hit the 8 week mark.. (I still chortle at people who query waiting longer than 3 days )
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Post by Whovitt on Mar 27, 2021 6:47:20 GMT
I thought you said you'd heard from a mate that their copy had arrived (or I may be going crazy...)? Either way, no sign of mine yet (though mine was sent on the 6th, and it's amazing how much difference that could make!). If it's not here in the next fortnight then I'll probably send a e-mail sales' way. Yes, a mate who lives in Canberra. I dunno, does international mail hit the nation's capital 1st?
Very frustrating not being received yet- next week will just hit the 8 week mark.. (I still chortle at people who query waiting longer than 3 days )
Location may play a part. I've no idea how the system works, I just have a rough guide of how long I normally have to wait (which isn't working so well these days, but that's a global pandemic for you). Guess we'll just have to keep our fingers crossed that they'll turn up soon, eh?
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Apr 19, 2021 13:21:28 GMT
I've got to say, it's strange to feel like I'm not the only person to think a release wasn't as good as it could have been. I expected much more positivity when I read through this thread, so I'm really surprised that it's been quite hit and miss for most people. There's not really anything new for me to add to the discussion. Like most, I thought the Beevers strand of the story was the best, I thought Parker, Macqueen, and Roberts were underutilised, and Gatiss was a totally pointless addition to the cast. I actually found it very hard to hear John Simm. It seems to me that his voice has changed a lot since his TV appearances, because there were scenes that I genuinely didn't know it was him for way longer than I'd care to admit. I don't like recycling lines for the sake of it ( The War Master: Anti-Genesis, I'm looking at you too!). "Oh, we're making a reference!" the script seems to say, as though it's the cleverest thing in the world. No, it's not. It actually comes off as quite lazy to me (but I'm sure I'm in a minority on that). I think there are MUCH cleverer ways to make references or plant Easter eggs. Zellin's name dropping of the Eternals, Guardians, and Toymaker, for instance. Quick, throwaway moments that have significance if you know what they mean and help establish his place in the pantheon of Who immortal beings. Nothing gratuitous, just fun little references. This script could definitely have taken some cues from it. (I've noticed a trend of these kinds of continuity "nods" in James Goss' work though, so I suppose I shouldn't have been surprised) I did like how Beevers' Master called himself "Geoffrey" and Roberts' called himself "Rob" though. I didn't get the in-joke with Geoffrey, but I noticed Rob's and then thought a bit harder about Geoffrey's.My biggest "problem" with the release is that the actual plot of the story didn't seem to be advertised before release, just the events of the first half hour or so. I didn't have a clue what this story was going to be about, and once everyone was split up things seemed to take forever to actually happen. I found myself really disinterested in events for the most part, and the conclusion felt really flat. Everything just sort of stopped because the runtime ran out, and as others have said, there was no explanation given for how the War Master worked out what as going on. It simply ended because it had to. Normally I'd say the release wasn't as good as it could have been, but I was genuinely disappointed by it. I'd like to end on a happier note, but I honestly can't think of one. I thought it was Jeremy, not Geoffrey, but maybe I misheard.
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Post by lidar2 on Apr 19, 2021 13:28:36 GMT
Listened to this yesterday, bit late to the party, but I find myself of agreeing with the consensus on this one
- Ending just plain confusing - Loved all the one liners - No idea what Gatiss was doing in it - Beevers storyline the best - Beevers/Jacobi/Gomez the best performances, although I would bracket McQueen in there as well
I will stick my neck out and say Culshaw's Delgado is better than his Ainley - the only time where I thought he really captured Ainley was the evil chuckle
Somehow the whole was less than the parts - an enjoyable listen all the same, but could have been better if the script had been polished a bit more. People have criticised Goss but script editor Matt Fitton also dropped the ball on this one
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Post by Whovitt on Apr 19, 2021 13:32:25 GMT
I've got to say, it's strange to feel like I'm not the only person to think a release wasn't as good as it could have been. I expected much more positivity when I read through this thread, so I'm really surprised that it's been quite hit and miss for most people. There's not really anything new for me to add to the discussion. Like most, I thought the Beevers strand of the story was the best, I thought Parker, Macqueen, and Roberts were underutilised, and Gatiss was a totally pointless addition to the cast. I actually found it very hard to hear John Simm. It seems to me that his voice has changed a lot since his TV appearances, because there were scenes that I genuinely didn't know it was him for way longer than I'd care to admit. I don't like recycling lines for the sake of it ( The War Master: Anti-Genesis, I'm looking at you too!). "Oh, we're making a reference!" the script seems to say, as though it's the cleverest thing in the world. No, it's not. It actually comes off as quite lazy to me (but I'm sure I'm in a minority on that). I think there are MUCH cleverer ways to make references or plant Easter eggs. Zellin's name dropping of the Eternals, Guardians, and Toymaker, for instance. Quick, throwaway moments that have significance if you know what they mean and help establish his place in the pantheon of Who immortal beings. Nothing gratuitous, just fun little references. This script could definitely have taken some cues from it. (I've noticed a trend of these kinds of continuity "nods" in James Goss' work though, so I suppose I shouldn't have been surprised) I did like how Beevers' Master called himself "Geoffrey" and Roberts' called himself "Rob" though. I didn't get the in-joke with Geoffrey, but I noticed Rob's and then thought a bit harder about Geoffrey's.My biggest "problem" with the release is that the actual plot of the story didn't seem to be advertised before release, just the events of the first half hour or so. I didn't have a clue what this story was going to be about, and once everyone was split up things seemed to take forever to actually happen. I found myself really disinterested in events for the most part, and the conclusion felt really flat. Everything just sort of stopped because the runtime ran out, and as others have said, there was no explanation given for how the War Master worked out what as going on. It simply ended because it had to. Normally I'd say the release wasn't as good as it could have been, but I was genuinely disappointed by it. I'd like to end on a happier note, but I honestly can't think of one. I thought it was Jeremy, not Geoffrey, but maybe I misheard. Heck, maybe it was. It's been too long since I heard it to remember a detail like that anymore
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Post by Timelord007 on Apr 21, 2021 7:15:31 GMT
Ok @all Aussies on this forum.. Has anyone received their physical boxset of Masterful yet from the disptach email from February 5th? HHMM :-( Gone way of the Bermuda Triangle bro. #stonetheflamingcrowsweresmyboxsetgone
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Post by Timelord007 on Apr 21, 2021 7:16:46 GMT
My review of Masterful on Amazon UK.
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Post by mark687 on Apr 21, 2021 21:11:26 GMT
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Apr 21, 2021 21:13:39 GMT
$108.32 Australian.. That's just under my normal water utility bill LOLZ!
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Post by theillusiveman on Apr 22, 2021 15:35:31 GMT
$108 plus shipping and price per order And $50 for a Download Oof that is quite a price hike
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Post by Tim Bradley on Apr 27, 2021 6:16:03 GMT
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Post by Chakoteya on Apr 28, 2021 16:08:32 GMT
oops, wrong master thread....
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