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Post by ollychops on Mar 1, 2021 19:02:09 GMT
All 20 things announced that David has recorded during lockdown features some form of returning or past element or some form of gimmick. Your mileage may vary, as discussed in-depth in the Classic Companions thread at the time of announcement, but if you were on the fence about Dalek Universe because of this, the Vortex article won’t help with that. I understand there’s plenty of surprises in store, or things that cannot be talked about due to spoilers, but naturally that won’t help the appeal if you’re cautious to begin with. Sure, although I think that’s a little unfair on River - I don’t see that she’s really a gimmick more than using an old companion like Rose or Donna would be. However, the general point I’m making is that seeing as most of those releases aren’t out yet, it’s surely hard to be fatigued by the idea of him meeting past elements... because he hasn’t met many yet, barely any in fact. (I would completely get it around the time Classic Companions was released) River especially shouldn’t count as a gimmick, given the fact that she was introduced in Ten’s era and it was suggested that they had more adventures before he regenerated into Eleven...
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Post by shallacatop on Mar 1, 2021 19:44:20 GMT
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not against gimmicks or returning elements, but I don’t think it’s fair to say it’s hard to be fatigued by something that hasn’t been released yet. They’re announced and the expectation is people will pre-order based on that. If it’s more than enough information to do that, it’s more than enough to sigh and wish they put the Tenth Doctor in some other stories or scenarios.
As for River, your mileage may vary. I adore the character and a pairing with the Tenth Doctor has been the top of my Big Finish wishlist for a while, but I don’t quite agree that it isn’t a gimmick. It’s definitely a returning element. Fair enough to discount her, I agree that it’s clearly the less obviously gimmicky of the lot, but you must include Expiry Dating to the list and that totals 18/20 or 90%. It’s not a great figure and very understandable to see how some would feel fatigued.
The point I was making is that the Vortex article doesn’t do anything to change your mind if you are of that opinion.
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Post by dorney on Mar 1, 2021 20:30:28 GMT
Sure, although I think that’s a little unfair on River - I don’t see that she’s really a gimmick more than using an old companion like Rose or Donna would be. However, the general point I’m making is that seeing as most of those releases aren’t out yet, it’s surely hard to be fatigued by the idea of him meeting past elements... because he hasn’t met many yet, barely any in fact. (I would completely get it around the time Classic Companions was released) Again, that's kind of the point. We're fatigued before they are even out because the premises have been used so many times already, in other releases (how many Doctors need to meet Leela?) with predictable results. The premises aren’t actually out there though, unless it’s as vague as ‘The Doctor meets Leela’, but even on that level I wouldn’t say the majority have even been used ‘many times’. And of course - how returning elements were used in other stories has no impact on how well they are used in these. Regardless, always worth waiting to see.
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Post by dorney on Mar 1, 2021 20:36:22 GMT
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not against gimmicks or returning elements, but I don’t think it’s fair to say it’s hard to be fatigued by something that hasn’t been released yet. They’re announced and the expectation is people will pre-order based on that. If it’s more than enough information to do that, it’s more than enough to sigh and wish they put the Tenth Doctor in some other stories or scenarios. As for River, your mileage may vary. I adore the character and a pairing with the Tenth Doctor has been the top of my Big Finish wishlist for a while, but I don’t quite agree that it isn’t a gimmick. It’s definitely a returning element. Fair enough to discount her, I agree that it’s clearly the less obviously gimmicky of the lot, but you must include Expiry Dating to the list and that totals 18/20 or 90%. It’s not a great figure and very understandable to see how some would feel fatigued. The point I was making is that the Vortex article doesn’t do anything to change your mind if you are of that opinion. I think ‘fatigued’ is definitely the wrong word. I’d perhaps understand if you’d said you were ‘uninspired’ (although I’d obviously disagree), but ‘fatigued’ doesn’t make much sense. That’s why I queried it.
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Post by constonks on Mar 1, 2021 20:42:02 GMT
Putting the Tenth Doctor in a Terry Nation Tribute Album feels inspired rather than gimmicky IMO! What's the point of having all this continuity lying around if we can't do fun things with it?!
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Mar 1, 2021 21:01:37 GMT
Putting the Tenth Doctor in a Terry Nation Tribute Album feels inspired rather than gimmicky IMO! What's the point of having all this continuity lying around if we can't do fun things with it?! I think there are some fans who just aren't into continuity/nostalgia heavy stuff. I prefer one off new adventures rather than stuff that keeps harking back to the past or old characters.
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Post by dorney on Mar 1, 2021 21:04:06 GMT
Putting the Tenth Doctor in a Terry Nation Tribute Album feels inspired rather than gimmicky IMO! What's the point of having all this continuity lying around if we can't do fun things with it?! I think there are some fans who just aren't into continuity/nostalgia heavy stuff. I prefer one off new adventures rather than stuff that keeps harking back to the past or old characters. That I can understand. Nothing wrong with that.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Mar 1, 2021 21:49:15 GMT
Putting the Tenth Doctor in a Terry Nation Tribute Album feels inspired rather than gimmicky IMO! What's the point of having all this continuity lying around if we can't do fun things with it?! I think there are some fans who just aren't into continuity/nostalgia heavy stuff. I prefer one off new adventures rather than stuff that keeps harking back to the past or old characters. Although obviously the fact I listen to 3,4,5,6 & 8 Doc stuff could count as old characters I guess.
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Post by shallacatop on Mar 1, 2021 22:00:09 GMT
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not against gimmicks or returning elements, but I don’t think it’s fair to say it’s hard to be fatigued by something that hasn’t been released yet. They’re announced and the expectation is people will pre-order based on that. If it’s more than enough information to do that, it’s more than enough to sigh and wish they put the Tenth Doctor in some other stories or scenarios. As for River, your mileage may vary. I adore the character and a pairing with the Tenth Doctor has been the top of my Big Finish wishlist for a while, but I don’t quite agree that it isn’t a gimmick. It’s definitely a returning element. Fair enough to discount her, I agree that it’s clearly the less obviously gimmicky of the lot, but you must include Expiry Dating to the list and that totals 18/20 or 90%. It’s not a great figure and very understandable to see how some would feel fatigued. The point I was making is that the Vortex article doesn’t do anything to change your mind if you are of that opinion. I think ‘fatigued’ is definitely the wrong word. I’d perhaps understand if you’d said you were ‘uninspired’ (although I’d obviously disagree), but ‘fatigued’ doesn’t make much sense. That’s why I queried it. No, I think fatigued is the right word and it’s certainly what I meant. Fatigued as in tired of releases / announcements being the Tenth Doctor paired with a gimmick or returning element. I don’t think that’s hard to understand. Look, it’s not necessarily a bad thing or anything like that. I was just pointing out that the article hasn’t done much to sell the release to anyone that may previously be on the fence, particularly if it’s because you’re fed up that David’s lockdown output has boiled down to pairing him with X, Y or Z. Personally, I’ve been positive about the announcements and I think that Dalek Universe actually being written to be a new series for Ten has helped with that.
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Post by dorney on Mar 1, 2021 22:20:36 GMT
I think ‘fatigued’ is definitely the wrong word. I’d perhaps understand if you’d said you were ‘uninspired’ (although I’d obviously disagree), but ‘fatigued’ doesn’t make much sense. That’s why I queried it. No, I think fatigued is the right word and it’s certainly what I meant. Fatigued as in tired of releases / announcements being the Tenth Doctor paired with a gimmick or returning element. I don’t think that’s hard to understand. Look, it’s not necessarily a bad thing or anything like that. I was just pointing out that the article hasn’t done much to sell the release to anyone that may previously be on the fence, particularly if it’s because you’re fed up that David’s lockdown output has boiled down to pairing him with X, Y or Z. Personally, I’ve been positive about the announcements and I think that Dalek Universe actually being written to be a new series for Ten has helped with that. I honestly don’t think it makes sense, but I’ll leave it there as we’re in danger of going round in circles.
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Post by mark687 on Mar 8, 2021 16:53:23 GMT
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Post by thelonecenturion on Mar 8, 2021 17:36:37 GMT
It's interesting that there's a lack of info on DU2 at the moment... none of the cast revealed (other than Blake Ritson, who's character isn't listed yet). I have a feeling there are going to be some big surprises in this volume (and all of them, according to both the Vortex and DWM previews).
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Mar 8, 2021 21:40:35 GMT
Perhaps a silly question, but why would there be fatigue of that? The 10DAs haven’t particularly re-used old elements terribly regularly. Have you ever considered politics for a living Mr D? He was King of Macedon once, it didn’t go so well for his advisors.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Mar 8, 2021 21:43:19 GMT
You know, with all the time changing shenanigans going on, I’d not be surprised if there was a Doctor from a history where there was never a Time War turning up in a future story. That’d be interesting to see, the Doctors always very “putting history back on the right track, no matter the cost to me” but what if “on the right track” involves genocide on a scale necessitating a new word for mass slaughter?
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Post by agentten on Mar 9, 2021 16:36:30 GMT
Glad to see River is going to pop up in Dalek Universe. The Ten and River box set is one of my favorite releases of recent years. I had such tremendous fun listening to the actors cavort their way through, obviously having a blast with the scripts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 18:52:58 GMT
You know, with all the time changing shenanigans going on, I’d not be surprised if there was a Doctor from a history where there was never a Time War turning up in a future story. That’d be interesting to see, the Doctors always very “putting history back on the right track, no matter the cost to me” but what if “on the right track” involves genocide on a scale necessitating a new word for mass slaughter? I just fear...it could be the END of EVERYTHING
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