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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 1:50:01 GMT
It just seems almost too conventional and cosy, particularly with the name of the villian, that I'm VERY suspicious. These are the Fourth Doctor Adventures we're talking about, probably the most nostalgia-driven of Big Finish ranges. And BF has been on a nostalgia kick for a while now. Recall that the tagline for the Third Doctor Boxset was "Big Finish: Recreating an Era." The problem with Four is that outside of Season 18, there just isn't really that much room to push and develop him like the other Doctors. For most of his run, he's very much a larger-then life adventure character, outside of Genesis of The Daleks and his stories at Big Finish reflect then that. The gloomier more melahonic Doctor of Season 18 isn't what most people remember and it's understandable that Big Finish would not to cover such territory initally, particularly in light of the Nest Cottage releases. I think you might be a little unfair to Big Finish. 2015 very much had to be about nostalgia - the news of the revival licencise saw a huge surge of intrest in Big Finish and it's understanable Big Finish wanted to play things a bit more traditional. As for The Third Doctor Adventures, you have to remember that the recasting of The Third Doctor was a was a huge deal for a significant portion of fandom - reassuring fans that it was done with the utmost respect for the era was neccessary. But onto the main issue, 'Knave' is just a little too on the nose for me.
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Post by bobod on Apr 8, 2016 8:04:16 GMT
I just don't get this near-obsession a few people have about following up the ending of The Well-Mannered War. That's how it ends. We don't need to link it in with anything.
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Post by kennysmith on Apr 8, 2016 8:09:44 GMT
I just don't get this near-obsession a few people have about following up the ending of The Well-Mannered War. That's how it ends. We don't need to link it in with anything. I'm 100 per cent with what Bobod says.
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Post by dorney on Apr 8, 2016 8:15:14 GMT
I agree that is wonderful, wonderful news, but I still don't get the link to this first story being a resolution to The Well Mannered War. Unless, like me, you were hoping for a seperate, possibly box set style resolution, but now we know it will be Tom and Louise in the next special release you think that they will still give us that resolution but at the start of next year's series? Is that it or am I still missing something - sorry if I am being dim. It just seems almost too conventional and cosy, particularly with the name of the villian, that I'm VERY suspicious. Also, given that the series will transition into season eighteen (complete with the origin story of Four's bundry outfit), it seems am ample place to resolve the cliffhanger, particularly given the current series has The Fourth Romana, K9 and Romana high upon their perch and The Black Guardian in the finale. Big Finish might be wary of playing the long game with that cliffhanger, particularly given the pull Four's releases have. Also, sometimes our lives do change in an instant. It doesn't have to be an all-out epic box set to lead us to the melchaoncy Four of season eighteen, just a moment in his life that changed....everything on top of the events of The Well-Mannered War. I'm really not sure we're doing an origin story of the burgundy outfit.
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Post by bobod on Apr 8, 2016 8:20:29 GMT
It just seems almost too conventional and cosy, particularly with the name of the villian, that I'm VERY suspicious. Also, given that the series will transition into season eighteen (complete with the origin story of Four's bundry outfit), it seems am ample place to resolve the cliffhanger, particularly given the current series has The Fourth Romana, K9 and Romana high upon their perch and The Black Guardian in the finale. Big Finish might be wary of playing the long game with that cliffhanger, particularly given the pull Four's releases have. Also, sometimes our lives do change in an instant. It doesn't have to be an all-out epic box set to lead us to the melchaoncy Four of season eighteen, just a moment in his life that changed....everything on top of the events of The Well-Mannered War. I'm really not sure we're doing an origin story of the burgundy outfit. Hooray - I can't help but think that'd be focusing on the wrong thing.
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Post by bobod on Apr 8, 2016 8:28:15 GMT
Having said that... If we ever get Adric stories set between Warriors' Gate and Traken, I want to know where the new image translator came from... x
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Post by iank on Apr 8, 2016 8:44:32 GMT
Some of the stories sound pretty fun, though I'm not sure about the season 18 setting. Do they REALLY want Tom to recreate the period where he was ill, listless, fed up and ready to go? I doubt he will try to sound like he hates what he is doing, or like he is drained. He is past 80 and doing this because he is enjoying it - seriously, how many people work past 80? - and because he deeply values the appreciation of the fans. He is not "fed up." He is not "listless." And the only sense in which is is "ready to go" is reflected in his comments at "Tom at 80" and they are honest reflections on the inevitable aging we all face. In fact, he said only in 2015 that he's recorded several years out. I read that to mean....several years from the moment at which he speaks. He also had personal issues at that time, which he wrote about in his autobiography and which are almost certainly (and almost entirely) water under the bridge at this time. Because the reason for his take was personal, there is no reason for it to repeat. And certainly no reason for us to demand a return. Why would you want to, anyway? For my part, I'll listen to Tom in any damn setting he pleases. Tom Baker rules. Amen. I think you're a bit confused. I was talking about Tom circa season 18.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 9:02:40 GMT
It just seems almost too conventional and cosy, particularly with the name of the villian, that I'm VERY suspicious. Also, given that the series will transition into season eighteen (complete with the origin story of Four's bundry outfit), it seems am ample place to resolve the cliffhanger, particularly given the current series has The Fourth Romana, K9 and Romana high upon their perch and The Black Guardian in the finale. Big Finish might be wary of playing the long game with that cliffhanger, particularly given the pull Four's releases have. Also, sometimes our lives do change in an instant. It doesn't have to be an all-out epic box set to lead us to the melchaoncy Four of season eighteen, just a moment in his life that changed....everything on top of the events of The Well-Mannered War. I'm really not sure we're doing an origin story of the burgundy outfit. notthebigfinishforum.freeforums.net/attachment/download/371Ooops. There I went misreading things. And corrected by John Dorney - Doctor Who writer extraordinaire! I will never live this down
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 9:03:16 GMT
I just don't get this near-obsession a few people have about following up the ending of The Well-Mannered War. That's how it ends. We don't need to link it in with anything. Haven't we already talked about this? Let ideas breathe, mate. This doesn't really impact you in any way.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 9:05:07 GMT
I just don't get this near-obsession a few people have about following up the ending of The Well-Mannered War. That's how it ends. We don't need to link it in with anything. I'm 100 per cent with what Bobod says. Into the mythos, it goes again.... But, thank you clarifying this, Ken and for taking the time to do so.
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Post by bobod on Apr 8, 2016 9:17:24 GMT
I just don't get this near-obsession a few people have about following up the ending of The Well-Mannered War. That's how it ends. We don't need to link it in with anything. Haven't we already talked about this? Let ideas breathe, mate. This doesn't really impact you in any way. I - and Kenny and John - are as entitled to reply as you are to bring it up.
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Post by bobod on Apr 8, 2016 9:18:23 GMT
I'm 100 per cent with what Bobod says. Into the mythos, it goes again.... But, thank you clarifying this, Ken and for taking the time to. KEN! You make him sound like a grown-up. Not a mistake you'd make if you met him.
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Post by bobod on Apr 8, 2016 9:27:54 GMT
I just don't get this near-obsession a few people have about following up the ending of The Well-Mannered War. That's how it ends. We don't need to link it in with anything. I'm 100 per cent with what Bobod says. I'm suspicious - whit are you after?
I've not got any hair either so it can't be that.
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Post by dorney on Apr 8, 2016 10:37:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 11:06:45 GMT
I can be right about something! Doctor Who is much richer for your involvement, John. It's going to take awhile for it to sink in that your failable!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 11:08:38 GMT
Well, in general, that's a weight off my shoulders, I suppose!
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Post by mark687 on Apr 8, 2016 11:10:01 GMT
It just seems almost too conventional and cosy, particularly with the name of the villian, that I'm VERY suspicious. Also, given that the series will transition into season eighteen (complete with the origin story of Four's bundry outfit), it seems am ample place to resolve the cliffhanger, particularly given the current series has The Fourth Romana, K9 and Romana high upon their perch and The Black Guardian in the finale. Big Finish might be wary of playing the long game with that cliffhanger, particularly given the pull Four's releases have. Also, sometimes our lives do change in an instant. It doesn't have to be an all-out epic box set to lead us to the melchaoncy Four of season eighteen, just a moment in his life that changed....everything on top of the events of The Well-Mannered War. I'm really not sure we're doing an origin story of the burgundy outfit. And Why Not its a vital piece of continuity as is for some reason the need for a scene connecting the end of Well Mannered War to the start of Season 18 or FDA Season 6 !
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Post by bobod on Apr 8, 2016 11:27:55 GMT
No one seems very interested in how K9 got his old voice back after his laryngitis...
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Post by bobod on Apr 8, 2016 11:29:47 GMT
I can be right about something! Doctor Who is much richer for your involvement, John. It's going to take awhile for it to sink in that your failable! But that link doesn't actually say they'll address the fact that he gets a new coat, does it? Just that there are stories set before he does (only pointed out in response to someone saying they were using a wrong photo). I think that's reading two plus two and seeing five.
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Post by dorney on Apr 8, 2016 11:39:53 GMT
I can be right about something! Doctor Who is much richer for your involvement, John. It's going to take awhile for it to sink in that your failable! But that link doesn't actually say they'll address the fact that he gets a new coat, does it? Just that there are stories set before he does (only pointed out in response to someone saying they were using a wrong photo). I think that's reading two plus two and seeing five. Oh, that's what he meant, I was a bit baffled by the reply. Sorry Michael, I was apologising for doing something you'd 'never live down'!
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