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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 11:18:42 GMT
Oh I am very aware that life can change in an instant with no build up or fan fare, but fiction for me isn't real life it is entertainment. However the real reason I would imagine any resolution to TWMW would be separate from the 4DA's is that it relates to a novel adaptation. Therefore I wouldn't expect Big Finish to provide a follow up to story that wasn't on TV in the Fourth Doctor Adventures simply because not everyone will have heard it. I have only had to live with that cliffhanger since I heard the audio - I feel sorry for all the fans who read the original book! Well, I just took it as an an authorial tantrum coupled with the publishers deciding to make a statement over their losing of the license. There was quite a bit of that sort of stuff going on at the time. It's fairly easy to disregard or imagine a follow-up which unravels it but I would imagine there will never be a follow-up, I don't imagine Gareth would allow it. Gareth Roberts was delighted with Big Finish adapting his novels, though and he is a busy man - I can imagine he might be comfortable Big Finish doing a follow-up one day if consulted.
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Post by mark687 on Apr 9, 2016 11:23:10 GMT
Oh I am very aware that life can change in an instant with no build up or fan fare, but fiction for me isn't real life it is entertainment. However the real reason I would imagine any resolution to TWMW would be separate from the 4DA's is that it relates to a novel adaptation. Therefore I wouldn't expect Big Finish to provide a follow up to story that wasn't on TV in the Fourth Doctor Adventures simply because not everyone will have heard it. I have only had to live with that cliffhanger since I heard the audio - I feel sorry for all the fans who read the original book! Well, I just took it as an an authorial tantrum coupled with the publishers deciding to make a statement over their losing of the license. There was quite a bit of that sort of stuff going on at the time. It's fairly easy to disregard or imagine a follow-up which unravels it but I would imagine there will never be a follow-up, I don't imagine Gareth would allow it. I'd replace the word tantrum with comment but this was always my feeling towards it, however it being dramatized exactly by BF is obviously provoking a strong desire in some quarters, for resolution or at least reference to it in the FDA's.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 11:29:36 GMT
Well, I just took it as an an authorial tantrum coupled with the publishers deciding to make a statement over their losing of the license. There was quite a bit of that sort of stuff going on at the time. It's fairly easy to disregard or imagine a follow-up which unravels it but I would imagine there will never be a follow-up, I don't imagine Gareth would allow it. Gareth Roberts was delighted with Big Finish adapting his novels, though and he is a busy man - I can imagine he might be comfortable Big Finish doing a follow-up one day if consulted. Yes but the ending was a pointed statement on what he thought of Who after the end of Season 17, and by all accounts he has the same opinion about today's Doctor Who so he may well not want to do anything which undoes that ending. To be blunt, he wants to be able to act as though one of it is really Doctor Who, and this novel lets him do that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 11:36:01 GMT
It just seems almost too conventional and cosy, particularly with the name of the villian, that I'm VERY suspicious. Also, given that the series will transition into season eighteen (complete with the origin story of Four's bundry outfit), it seems am ample place to resolve the cliffhanger, particularly given the current series has The Fourth Romana, K9 and Romana high upon their perch and The Black Guardian in the finale. Big Finish might be wary of playing the long game with that cliffhanger, particularly given the pull Four's releases have. Also, sometimes our lives do change in an instant. It doesn't have to be an all-out epic box set to lead us to the melchaoncy Four of season eighteen, just a moment in his life that changed....everything on top of the events of The Well-Mannered War. Oh I am very aware that life can change in an instant with no build up or fan fare, but fiction for me isn't real life it is entertainment. However the real reason I would imagine any resolution to TWMW would be separate from the 4DA's is that it relates to a novel adaptation. Therefore I wouldn't expect Big Finish to provide a follow up to story that wasn't on TV in the Fourth Doctor Adventures simply because not everyone will have heard it. I have only had to live with that cliffhanger since I heard the audio - I feel sorry for all the fans who read the original book! As someone who wasn't in the loop an it was incredibly jarring and unsettling, as if Four 'died' again! The Black Guardian also refers to other Missing Adventure novels in The Doctor's past and future, with the stakes seemingly VERY real. I don't have a ready copy on hand, but it ends on a hallowing paragraph in which the every cosy Season 17 TARDIS team accept their grim uncertain fate with the final line being as much as '....it seemed just like any other day in the TARDIS'. The ending was very much a response to the very shoddy treatment Virgin Books recieved from the BBC in light of the TV movie (they were given incredible short notice that there licencise wasn't to be renewed). I think it was a nice note to go out on and the ending is up for intepretation. While a more final ending can be inteperted (the BBC was relucanct to bring in any contiunty from the Virgin novels initally, although with Lungbarrow existing, I'm not sure if I blame them), I choose the happier intepretation - the story leads into another Missing Adventure we never experienced.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 11:40:55 GMT
Gareth Roberts was delighted with Big Finish adapting his novels, though and he is a busy man - I can imagine he might be comfortable Big Finish doing a follow-up one day if consulted. Yes but the ending was a pointed statement on what he thought of Who after the end of Season 17, and by all accounts he has the same opinion about today's Doctor Who so he may well not want to do anything which undoes that ending. To be blunt, he wants to be able to act as though one of it is really Doctor Who, and this novel lets him do that. That's an odd stance from one of the regular revival series writers. I was lead to believe he quite enjoyed both RTD and Moffatt's take and enjoyed working with them. I am aware that Gareth was VERY critical of the New Adventures and the Seventh Doctor in general and prefered a more traditional approach and prefered working in the Missing Adventures range.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 11:45:48 GMT
Yes but the ending was a pointed statement on what he thought of Who after the end of Season 17, and by all accounts he has the same opinion about today's Doctor Who so he may well not want to do anything which undoes that ending. To be blunt, he wants to be able to act as though one of it is really Doctor Who, and this novel lets him do that. That's an odd stance from one of the regular revival series writers. I was lead to believe he quite enjoyed both RTD and Moffatt's take and enjoyed working with them. I am aware that Gareth was VERY critical of the New Adventures and the Seventh Doctor in general and prefered a more traditional approach and prefered working in the Missing Adventures range. He seems quite a volatile person if you follow him on social media. he has been very critical of the show over the last couple of years. hopefully things will improve and we'll get a "Gareth Roberts Presents" boxset to round that trilogy out because he's fantastically talented.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 11:52:33 GMT
That's an odd stance from one of the regular revival series writers. I was lead to believe he quite enjoyed both RTD and Moffatt's take and enjoyed working with them. I am aware that Gareth was VERY critical of the New Adventures and the Seventh Doctor in general and prefered a more traditional approach and prefered working in the Missing Adventures range. He seems quite a volatile person if you follow him on social media. he has been very critical of the show over the last couple of years. hopefully things will improve and we'll get a "Gareth Roberts Presents" boxset to round that trilogy out because he's fantastically talented. That's actually quite saddening, because he and Steven Moffatt actually seemed to be quite chummy during the Eleventh Doctor era.
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Post by mbt66 on Apr 9, 2016 12:55:33 GMT
That's an odd stance from one of the regular revival series writers. I was lead to believe he quite enjoyed both RTD and Moffatt's take and enjoyed working with them. I am aware that Gareth was VERY critical of the New Adventures and the Seventh Doctor in general and prefered a more traditional approach and prefered working in the Missing Adventures range. He seems quite a volatile person if you follow him on social media. he has been very critical of the show over the last couple of years. hopefully things will improve and we'll get a "Gareth Roberts Presents" boxset to round that trilogy out because he's fantastically talented. With my Conspiracy Cap on... Wasn't the first novel collection originally called something like "The Fourth Doctor by Gareth Roberts Volume 1"? I remember getting excited about what was going to be in the next volume, because he had only written three novels for the Fourth Doctor, but had done some short stories. Perhaps the original plan was to get Gareth Roberts to pen or consult on a follow up story to be packaged along with The Well Mannered War in Volume 2. Unfortunately Gareth Roberts may have changed his mind and therefore Big Finish decided to put a New Adventure Seventh Doctor adaptation together with a Missing Adventure Fourth Doctor story!! Sorry, but that still annoys me.
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Post by iank on Apr 10, 2016 8:28:23 GMT
iank said : "I think you're a bit confused. I was talking about Tom circa season 18. " (Removed from quote bubble because his post was formatted such that it looked like I said the above...)____________________ I know.I think you're confused. I was talking about the personal reasons why Tom circa season 18 had a generally grimmer portrayal. The point was that because those personal reasons are not present now, I thought the following remark of yours made no sense: "Do they REALLY want Tom to recreate the period where he was ill, listless, fed up and ready to go? " They're not going to say, "hey, Tom, try to sound 'ill, listless, fed up, and ready to go.'" Recreating an era is about the feel about the episodes, not about having an actor pretend that, just as a few decades ago, he is again down in the mouth because of illness and a marriage that is falling apart. To be honest, I was just being unhelpfully flippant in regard to my general disdain for a lot of that season.
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Post by Ela on Apr 10, 2016 16:17:34 GMT
I just don't get this near-obsession a few people have about following up the ending of The Well-Mannered War. That's how it ends. We don't need to link it in with anything. I'm 100 per cent with what Bobod says. Ditto. Or is it Tritto?
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Post by kennysmith on Apr 10, 2016 16:47:08 GMT
I understand that some people like everything to tie up, but for me, it really doesn't matter. I just like good stories.
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Post by Ela on Apr 10, 2016 17:55:27 GMT
I understand that some people like everything to tie up, but for me, it really doesn't matter. I just like good stories. As I said in the other thread discussing this, unresolved cliff hangers usually drive me batty, but in this particular case I was fine with the way the story ended.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 17:59:03 GMT
He seems quite a volatile person if you follow him on social media. he has been very critical of the show over the last couple of years. hopefully things will improve and we'll get a "Gareth Roberts Presents" boxset to round that trilogy out because he's fantastically talented. With my Conspiracy Cap on... Wasn't the first novel collection originally called something like "The Fourth Doctor by Gareth Roberts Volume 1"? I remember getting excited about what was going to be in the next volume, because he had only written three novels for the Fourth Doctor, but had done some short stories. Perhaps the original plan was to get Gareth Roberts to pen or consult on a follow up story to be packaged along with The Well Mannered War in Volume 2. Unfortunately Gareth Roberts may have changed his mind and therefore Big Finish decided to put a New Adventure Seventh Doctor adaptation together with a Missing Adventure Fourth Doctor story!! Sorry, but that still annoys me. Or it's possible that they decided to refocus the range. ) There had been quite a vocal demand for Novel Adapations over the years -and it's possible pre-order figures might have been VERY strong - it's possible Big Finish decided to trial out the range with some very heavy hitters - an unexperienced Russell T Davies story by many and another Four/Romana tale before their run this year to see how paltable such a range could be. The Fourth Doctor by Gareth Roberts after all was first release to have Tom Baker and Lalla Ward play agasint each other since Warrior's Gate - thirty four years later and Love and War was released for Benny's anniversary. The Highest Science isn't exactly an atypical Doctor Who story, either after all and after Love and War, I can see why Big Finish might go for a more traditional adventure in a bigger release.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 18:28:36 GMT
That's an odd stance from one of the regular revival series writers. I was lead to believe he quite enjoyed both RTD and Moffatt's take and enjoyed working with them. I am aware that Gareth was VERY critical of the New Adventures and the Seventh Doctor in general and prefered a more traditional approach and prefered working in the Missing Adventures range. He seems quite a volatile person if you follow him on social media. he has been very critical of the show over the last couple of years. hopefully things will improve and we'll get a "Gareth Roberts Presents" boxset to round that trilogy out because he's fantastically talented. I did have a look at his Twitter. Yikes, retweeted gags with The First Doctor in The Dalek case, the TARDIS team in Black Orchid and Barbara as Ycanaos in The Aztecs under 'cultural appropiation' for 'humor' - no thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 18:39:15 GMT
I understand that some people like everything to tie up, but for me, it really doesn't matter. I just like good stories. Nicely segued in, there I would like to apologise, Ken and to Bobod. I had a lot of things happening this weekend - including illness and feel I jumped the gun somewhat. A bit. Most defiently. Fired rather rapidly. (I think that's actually just a statute, Brigader). I really do enjoy what Big Finish does immensly and every release is clearly a labor of love and it shows.
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Post by kennysmith on Apr 10, 2016 19:16:14 GMT
I'm always Kenny, Michael, but never Ken!
Wishing you a speedy return to full health.
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