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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 11:59:22 GMT
But that link doesn't actually say they'll address the fact that he gets a new coat, does it? Just that there are stories set before he does (only pointed out in response to someone saying they were using a wrong photo). I think that's reading two plus two and seeing five. Oh, that's what he meant, I was a bit baffled by the reply. Sorry Michael, I was apologising for doing something you'd 'never live down'! Oh, I see. Sorry, my mistake!
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Post by elkawho on Apr 8, 2016 12:14:20 GMT
I just want to tell you all that I'm having a ball reading this thread. I guess I need to get a life.
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Post by bobod on Apr 8, 2016 12:33:27 GMT
I just want to tell you all that I'm having a ball reading this thread. I guess I need to get a life. And a new coat?
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Post by mrperson on Apr 8, 2016 15:44:23 GMT
iank said : "I think you're a bit confused. I was talking about Tom circa season 18. "
(Removed from quote bubble because his post was formatted such that it looked like I said the above...)
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I know.
I think you're confused. I was talking about the personal reasons why Tom circa season 18 had a generally grimmer portrayal. The point was that because those personal reasons are not present now, I thought the following remark of yours made no sense: "Do they REALLY want Tom to recreate the period where he was ill, listless, fed up and ready to go? "
They're not going to say, "hey, Tom, try to sound 'ill, listless, fed up, and ready to go.'"
Recreating an era is about the feel about the episodes, not about having an actor pretend that, just as a few decades ago, he is again down in the mouth because of illness and a marriage that is falling apart.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 16:24:02 GMT
I just want to tell you all that I'm having a ball reading this thread. I guess I need to get a life. This is your life! Once the Big Finish bug has bitten you, there is no escape. It's worse than any drug!
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Post by elkawho on Apr 8, 2016 17:37:14 GMT
I just want to tell you all that I'm having a ball reading this thread. I guess I need to get a life. This is your life! Once the Big Finish bug has bitten you, there is no escape. It's worse than any drug! Man, way to make me depressed. Now I'm going to listen to some Doctor Who to make myself feel better.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2016 23:33:41 GMT
In all honesty, I'm feeling a bit alienated from Big Finish right now. While it's nice to finally have clarification on this issue and it's not about being 'wrong' - but how the answer was delievered, particularly in a space like this. I feel lines have been crossed in the face of friendship and it should be noted that Bobod's involvement with Big Finish's Dark Shadows creative team was only revealed to many long after the idea of a potential contiunation had been brought up and from recent comments, it seems he has no involvement with the Big Finish Doctor Who creative team other then friend and interviewer at conventions. This is not to insult, Bobod, who I'm sure felt he expressed himself in the warm spirit of fan pendatry and hyperbole and missed the mark.
I do feel that there was reasonable grounds to assume the cliffhanger was going to be followed up with at some point - particularly given that, the lack of knowledge of many customers about the novels and the significance of that ending, the difference between Big Finish and Virgin contiunty, the wording of the sixith series of Fourth Doctor Adventures announcement prior to the release of the adapation, the general pull that The Fourth Doctor Adventures has with a more casual less fan-ish customers, the involvement of a significant villian from The Fourth Doctor era, setting this year's series of Fourth Doctor Adventures in season 17 and having The Black Guardian in the finale. Big Finish. Big Finish has done nothing to confirm or deny any of this for eleven months and I do not feel that people who speculated upon what adapting the novel could mean for future releases were 'near-obbessed' and I feel endorsement of such comments is highly inappropiate. Nothing was imparted that the adapation was very much a period piece of Doctor Who in the nineties and a very contary idea was easily infered. On a more personal level, as someone who uses discussion of Big Finish releases to help support himself with his disability, it is perhaps inevitabiliy hurtful to have innocous comments reiterated in such a fashion by an individual deeply involved in the expansion of the original series.
I look forward to the rest of this month's releases as always.
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Post by mark687 on Apr 9, 2016 0:02:02 GMT
In all honesty, I'm feeling a bit alienated from Big Finish right now. While it's nice to finally have clarification on this issue and it's not about being 'wrong' - but how the answer was delievered, particularly in a space like this. I feel lines have been crossed in the face of friendship and it should be noted that Bobod's involvement with Big Finish's Dark Shadows creative team was only revealed to many long after the idea of a potential contiunation had been brought up and from recent comments, it seems he has no involvement with the Big Finish Doctor Who creative team other then friend and interviewer at conventions. This is not to insult, Bobod, who I'm sure felt he expressed himself in the warm spirit of fan pendatry and hyperbole and missed the mark. I do feel that there was reasonable grounds to assume the cliffhanger was going to be followed up with at some point - particularly given that, the lack of knowledge of many customers about the novels and the significance of that ending, the difference between Big Finish and Virgin contiunty, the wording of the sixith series of Fourth Doctor Adventures announcement prior to the release of the adapation, the general pull that The Fourth Doctor Adventures has with a more casual less fan-ish customers, the involvement of a significant villian from The Fourth Doctor era, setting this year's series of Fourth Doctor Adventures in season 17 and having The Black Guardian in the finale. Big Finish. Big Finish has done nothing to confirm or deny any of this for eleven months and I do not feel that people who speculated upon what adapting the novel could mean for future releases were 'near-obbessed' and I feel endorsement of such comments is highly inappropiate. Nothing was imparted that the adapation was very much a period piece of Doctor Who in the nineties and a very contary idea was easily infered. On a more personal level, as someone who uses discussion of Big Finish releases to help support himself with his disability, it is perhaps inevitabiliy hurtful to have innocous comments reiterated in such a fashion by an individual deeply involved in the expansion of the original series. I look forward to the rest of this month's releases as always. Apologises if my comment was overly glib Michael
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Post by kimalysong on Apr 9, 2016 0:32:22 GMT
I just want to tell you all that I'm having a ball reading this thread. I guess I need to get a life. Lives are overrated
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 0:40:31 GMT
In all honesty, I'm feeling a bit alienated from Big Finish right now. While it's nice to finally have clarification on this issue and it's not about being 'wrong' - but how the answer was delievered, particularly in a space like this. I feel lines have been crossed in the face of friendship and it should be noted that Bobod's involvement with Big Finish's Dark Shadows creative team was only revealed to many long after the idea of a potential contiunation had been brought up and from recent comments, it seems he has no involvement with the Big Finish Doctor Who creative team other then friend and interviewer at conventions. This is not to insult, Bobod, who I'm sure felt he expressed himself in the warm spirit of fan pendatry and hyperbole and missed the mark. I do feel that there was reasonable grounds to assume the cliffhanger was going to be followed up with at some point - particularly given that, the lack of knowledge of many customers about the novels and the significance of that ending, the difference between Big Finish and Virgin contiunty, the wording of the sixith series of Fourth Doctor Adventures announcement prior to the release of the adapation, the general pull that The Fourth Doctor Adventures has with a more casual less fan-ish customers, the involvement of a significant villian from The Fourth Doctor era, setting this year's series of Fourth Doctor Adventures in season 17 and having The Black Guardian in the finale. Big Finish. Big Finish has done nothing to confirm or deny any of this for eleven months and I do not feel that people who speculated upon what adapting the novel could mean for future releases were 'near-obbessed' and I feel endorsement of such comments is highly inappropiate. Nothing was imparted that the adapation was very much a period piece of Doctor Who in the nineties and a very contary idea was easily infered. On a more personal level, as someone who uses discussion of Big Finish releases to help support himself with his disability, it is perhaps inevitabiliy hurtful to have innocous comments reiterated in such a fashion by an individual deeply involved in the expansion of the original series. I look forward to the rest of this month's releases as always. Apologises if my comment was overly glib Michael
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Apology accepted I probably did impart my theory one or two times too often - try several - they say - I do tend to get carried away with these things and hope it was never to the detiment of the conversation. The view - and the correct view (!) - that the adapation was a period piece is a valid one and I never meant to overwhelm support or it's validity.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 0:42:48 GMT
This is your life! Once the Big Finish bug has bitten you, there is no escape. It's worse than any drug! Man, way to make me depressed. Now I'm going to listen to some Doctor Who to make myself feel better. Elka, they love the stories, not you!
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Apr 9, 2016 1:01:18 GMT
You know, there's clearly a market for stories about that coat.... Although DWM did one many moons ago.
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Post by mbt66 on Apr 9, 2016 6:16:15 GMT
I agree that is wonderful, wonderful news, but I still don't get the link to this first story being a resolution to The Well Mannered War. Unless, like me, you were hoping for a seperate, possibly box set style resolution, but now we know it will be Tom and Louise in the next special release you think that they will still give us that resolution but at the start of next year's series? Is that it or am I still missing something - sorry if I am being dim. It just seems almost too conventional and cosy, particularly with the name of the villian, that I'm VERY suspicious. Also, given that the series will transition into season eighteen (complete with the origin story of Four's bundry outfit), it seems am ample place to resolve the cliffhanger, particularly given the current series has The Fourth Romana, K9 and Romana high upon their perch and The Black Guardian in the finale. Big Finish might be wary of playing the long game with that cliffhanger, particularly given the pull Four's releases have. Also, sometimes our lives do change in an instant. It doesn't have to be an all-out epic box set to lead us to the melchaoncy Four of season eighteen, just a moment in his life that changed....everything on top of the events of The Well-Mannered War. Oh I am very aware that life can change in an instant with no build up or fan fare, but fiction for me isn't real life it is entertainment. However the real reason I would imagine any resolution to TWMW would be separate from the 4DA's is that it relates to a novel adaptation. Therefore I wouldn't expect Big Finish to provide a follow up to story that wasn't on TV in the Fourth Doctor Adventures simply because not everyone will have heard it. I have only had to live with that cliffhanger since I heard the audio - I feel sorry for all the fans who read the original book!
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Post by dorney on Apr 9, 2016 6:21:44 GMT
In all honesty, I'm feeling a bit alienated from Big Finish right now. While it's nice to finally have clarification on this issue and it's not about being 'wrong' - but how the answer was delievered, particularly in a space like this. I feel lines have been crossed in the face of friendship and it should be noted that Bobod's involvement with Big Finish's Dark Shadows creative team was only revealed to many long after the idea of a potential contiunation had been brought up and from recent comments, it seems he has no involvement with the Big Finish Doctor Who creative team other then friend and interviewer at conventions. This is not to insult, Bobod, who I'm sure felt he expressed himself in the warm spirit of fan pendatry and hyperbole and missed the mark. I do feel that there was reasonable grounds to assume the cliffhanger was going to be followed up with at some point - particularly given that, the lack of knowledge of many customers about the novels and the significance of that ending, the difference between Big Finish and Virgin contiunty, the wording of the sixith series of Fourth Doctor Adventures announcement prior to the release of the adapation, the general pull that The Fourth Doctor Adventures has with a more casual less fan-ish customers, the involvement of a significant villian from The Fourth Doctor era, setting this year's series of Fourth Doctor Adventures in season 17 and having The Black Guardian in the finale. Big Finish. Big Finish has done nothing to confirm or deny any of this for eleven months and I do not feel that people who speculated upon what adapting the novel could mean for future releases were 'near-obbessed' and I feel endorsement of such comments is highly inappropiate. Nothing was imparted that the adapation was very much a period piece of Doctor Who in the nineties and a very contary idea was easily infered. On a more personal level, as someone who uses discussion of Big Finish releases to help support himself with his disability, it is perhaps inevitabiliy hurtful to have innocous comments reiterated in such a fashion by an individual deeply involved in the expansion of the original series. I look forward to the rest of this month's releases as always. I'm very sorry to read this. I'm not sure if I'm the individual you refer to at the end there, as I don't think I've reiterated any comments in a troubling way, and I don't think I've endorsed any comments either, but if I've said something offensive I apologise, it was not intended. Regarding the possibility of a Well Mannered War follow up - personally speaking I try not to comment on speculation either way. For all manner of reasons, not least that speculation is fun,
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Post by mbt66 on Apr 9, 2016 6:22:44 GMT
It just seems almost too conventional and cosy, particularly with the name of the villian, that I'm VERY suspicious. Also, given that the series will transition into season eighteen (complete with the origin story of Four's bundry outfit), it seems am ample place to resolve the cliffhanger, particularly given the current series has The Fourth Romana, K9 and Romana high upon their perch and The Black Guardian in the finale. Big Finish might be wary of playing the long game with that cliffhanger, particularly given the pull Four's releases have. Also, sometimes our lives do change in an instant. It doesn't have to be an all-out epic box set to lead us to the melchaoncy Four of season eighteen, just a moment in his life that changed....everything on top of the events of The Well-Mannered War. I'm really not sure we're doing an origin story of the burgundy outfit. That's a shame. Not because of the burgundy coat, but because I would love some reasonable explanation for those Question Marks that suddenly haunt his outfits for years. Please put a why to those question marks!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 6:23:52 GMT
You know, there's clearly a market for stories about that coat.... Although DWM did one many moons ago. It would probably make a good topic for a Short Trip. Hardly a topic for a major release though. What I don't understand is the feeling there must be some deep reason driving the change - Tom wore loads of different coats throughout his time, we don't see a demand for origin stories for any of the others.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 8:33:24 GMT
In all honesty, I'm feeling a bit alienated from Big Finish right now. While it's nice to finally have clarification on this issue and it's not about being 'wrong' - but how the answer was delievered, particularly in a space like this. I feel lines have been crossed in the face of friendship and it should be noted that Bobod's involvement with Big Finish's Dark Shadows creative team was only revealed to many long after the idea of a potential contiunation had been brought up and from recent comments, it seems he has no involvement with the Big Finish Doctor Who creative team other then friend and interviewer at conventions. This is not to insult, Bobod, who I'm sure felt he expressed himself in the warm spirit of fan pendatry and hyperbole and missed the mark. I do feel that there was reasonable grounds to assume the cliffhanger was going to be followed up with at some point - particularly given that, the lack of knowledge of many customers about the novels and the significance of that ending, the difference between Big Finish and Virgin contiunty, the wording of the sixith series of Fourth Doctor Adventures announcement prior to the release of the adapation, the general pull that The Fourth Doctor Adventures has with a more casual less fan-ish customers, the involvement of a significant villian from The Fourth Doctor era, setting this year's series of Fourth Doctor Adventures in season 17 and having The Black Guardian in the finale. Big Finish. Big Finish has done nothing to confirm or deny any of this for eleven months and I do not feel that people who speculated upon what adapting the novel could mean for future releases were 'near-obbessed' and I feel endorsement of such comments is highly inappropiate. Nothing was imparted that the adapation was very much a period piece of Doctor Who in the nineties and a very contary idea was easily infered. On a more personal level, as someone who uses discussion of Big Finish releases to help support himself with his disability, it is perhaps inevitabiliy hurtful to have innocous comments reiterated in such a fashion by an individual deeply involved in the expansion of the original series. I look forward to the rest of this month's releases as always. I'm very sorry to read this. I'm not sure if I'm the individual you refer to at the end there, as I don't think I've reiterated any comments in a troubling way, and I don't think I've endorsed any comments either, but if I've said something offensive I apologise, it was not intended. Regarding the possibility of a Well Mannered War follow up - personally speaking I try not to comment on speculation either way. For all manner of reasons, not least that speculation is fun, John, your comments as usual, were wonderful. Although as the man who wrote Second Chances, surely you must be the most evil man alive. ("The end of The Second Doctor is so sad - HOW CAN I MAKE IT WORSE?") I do regret bringing this matter out in the open like this and would like the matter to be considered close.
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Post by dorney on Apr 9, 2016 8:42:43 GMT
I'm very sorry to read this. I'm not sure if I'm the individual you refer to at the end there, as I don't think I've reiterated any comments in a troubling way, and I don't think I've endorsed any comments either, but if I've said something offensive I apologise, it was not intended. Regarding the possibility of a Well Mannered War follow up - personally speaking I try not to comment on speculation either way. For all manner of reasons, not least that speculation is fun, John, your comments as usual, were wonderful. Although as the man who wrote Second Chances, surely you must be the most evil man alive. ("The end of The Second Doctor is so sad - HOW CAN I MAKE IT WORSE?") I do regret bringing this matter out in the open like this and would like the matter to be considered close. 'Most evil man alive' should go on my signature. Mwahahahahaha. Not a problem. But I would add that you should never regret discussing anything. If anyone is upset or offended by something, it's fine to say that as it is the easiest way to resolve matters. All the best!
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Apr 9, 2016 9:05:11 GMT
John, your comments as usual, were wonderful. Although as the man who wrote Second Chances, surely you must be the most evil man alive. ("The end of The Second Doctor is so sad - HOW CAN I MAKE IT WORSE?") I do regret bringing this matter out in the open like this and would like the matter to be considered close. 'Most evil man alive' should go on my signature. Mwahahahahaha. I dare anyone not to read that in Dorney's Alexander the Greek voice.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 11:08:04 GMT
It just seems almost too conventional and cosy, particularly with the name of the villian, that I'm VERY suspicious. Also, given that the series will transition into season eighteen (complete with the origin story of Four's bundry outfit), it seems am ample place to resolve the cliffhanger, particularly given the current series has The Fourth Romana, K9 and Romana high upon their perch and The Black Guardian in the finale. Big Finish might be wary of playing the long game with that cliffhanger, particularly given the pull Four's releases have. Also, sometimes our lives do change in an instant. It doesn't have to be an all-out epic box set to lead us to the melchaoncy Four of season eighteen, just a moment in his life that changed....everything on top of the events of The Well-Mannered War. Oh I am very aware that life can change in an instant with no build up or fan fare, but fiction for me isn't real life it is entertainment. However the real reason I would imagine any resolution to TWMW would be separate from the 4DA's is that it relates to a novel adaptation. Therefore I wouldn't expect Big Finish to provide a follow up to story that wasn't on TV in the Fourth Doctor Adventures simply because not everyone will have heard it. I have only had to live with that cliffhanger since I heard the audio - I feel sorry for all the fans who read the original book! Well, I just took it as an an authorial tantrum coupled with the publishers deciding to make a statement over their losing of the license. There was quite a bit of that sort of stuff going on at the time. It's fairly easy to disregard or imagine a follow-up which unravels it but I would imagine there will never be a follow-up, I don't imagine Gareth would allow it.
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