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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 10:41:44 GMT
I wasn't refering to Cody, I was refering to his Father Recasting the role (which Wally Hamonde also plays) might be a nice way of exploring Cody further, given (as Bobod says) how similar both performances are and the character has only been heard in a very limited capacity in Bloodlust and In The Twinkling of An Eye so it wouldn't be that much of an issue. I never said they sounded similar!! I don't especially think they do. Ah, I stand corrected.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 10:48:30 GMT
I only know Dark Shadows through Big Finish (YOU DO?), but I'm sure Bloodline and subsquent productions will pull on the mythology and threads of the original series (I've been told there's quite a few) - it's what the audience expects as well as introducing these elements to new unfarmaliar audiences. But, Bloodlust as a serialised drama - Dark Shadows as it was - was a big jumping on point for new customers and it made sense to acknowledge, but not go into overt detail the events of previous releases with that significant back catalog, to intice, rather then overwhelm (Maggie remembering Barnbas kidnapping her, the adult life of Amy Jennings, Barnbas's new body, the disapperance of The Collins, Kate's damage and recounting and bringing the Anti-Christ storyline to a halt in See No Evil). That said, I was disappointed how 'The Missing Collins' arc was handled. I understand wanting the post- Bloodlust audios to be approchable to new listeners and having as many of the old favourites around as possible and that the actors are sadly no longer with us and that certain parts of the resolution would have to happen off stage, but I was expecting something a little more dynamic, particularly given the creativity Big Finish have deployed on past occasions with these characters, then Roger and Elisabeth simply being overseas The main issue there I think is describing it as an 'arc'. That's drawing attention to the absence, where as everything BF does is pretty much to ignore it. Just like the TV show does. Roger will be missing for ages and there'll just a 'business trip' line. It's how DS works when someone is unavailable. Recasts only happen when they WANT to tell more story with that character. If they don't then they just say they're away. I found it astonishing in the TV show when after Elizabeth hasn't left Collinwood for 18 years that once she finally had done - to go to hospital - they then, when Joan Bennett was not in a few episodes, just said she's gone off to Bangor (or somewhere) for a few days. Her first trip to the city for nearly 20 years should have been a plot-point not a one-off line to cover her absence. As I said before, I'm unfarmaliar with the original series and was unaware that it was paying homage to it's quirks. Thank you for informing me
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 10:57:48 GMT
Is there any reason Michael - and I hope I'm not being rude, geniune question - that as someone who hasn't seen the series that you'd like a better explanation of why characters you don't have any experience of aren't there?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 10:59:54 GMT
True, but with all respect to Wally Hamonde, Cody and Doctor Hill sound a little too similar - which makes things a little bit confusing for an audio drama! I don't think there's an issue. Maybe if Dr Hill and Cody were to have big meaty scenes together. But at the moment I think you're the only person asking for Dr Hill to be beefed up. I love the character, so I really just want to see him further explored (also: I want to see Harry being awkward and flustered when Cody decides to bring him home and introduce him to his Dad, although that's probably already happened off stage between Bloodlust and last year's 'Dramitic Readings') I can't see how else they could further expand the character then start with giving further insight into his relationship with his Father., though. It would be incredibly disappointing to me if Cody was just regulated to being Harry's boyfriend.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 11:37:39 GMT
Is there any reason Michael - and I hope I'm not being rude, geniune question - that as someone who hasn't seen the series that you'd like a better explanation of why characters you don't have any experience of aren't there? No, your fine, you want to understand my madness It's more then their absense and lack of return seemed to be of particular significance to new listeners - particularly with Barnbas and Quentin being determined to find out what happened to them in the closing scene of The House of Despair. David's reintroduction - and Caroyln lying to Quentin about their whereabouts in The Kingdom of The Dead didn't help to shake that impression, either. It's defiently something Big Finish could have made more clear to new listeners that it wasn't meant to be of primary importance.
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Post by gljohnson17 on Feb 1, 2016 4:48:36 GMT
Hopefully there are a lot of flashbacks to Angelique..... or what does Joe have in store. Wink
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2016 9:33:23 GMT
Hopefully there are a lot of flashbacks to Angelique..... or what does Joe gave in store. Wink She's alive in the 90s (The Path Of Fate) so it wouldn't necessarily need to be flashbacks
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Post by bobod on Feb 1, 2016 12:01:21 GMT
More Jerry lacy, be it Tony or someone else. Given Joe and Davy's comments on the various post-bloodlust podcasts with Bobod, I'm not worried. And I don't care how - a sound sample of Louis Edmonds dropped in. Hearing his voice on a BF Dark Shadows would make my life complete I didn't know Bobod had a podcast! I think they're all here. Full length interviews with Matthew Waterhouse Stephanie Ellyne Alexandra Donnachie, Walles Hammonde & Michael Shon Will Howells and Alan Flanagan David Darlington & Joseph Lidster (very full length) And others with Brigid Lohrey and Simon Kent Aaron Lamont and James Unsworth Penelope Faith, Ryan Wichert and Alexandra Donnachie And a Dark Shadows at Big Finish Day one
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Post by bobod on Feb 1, 2016 12:09:35 GMT
Hopefully there are a lot of flashbacks to Angelique..... or what does Joe gave in store. Wink Other stores have been shopped in...
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Post by silverednickle on Feb 1, 2016 19:07:24 GMT
I'm hopeful that they can maybe dig through the original series to find a few lines from Louis Edmonds (Roger) and Joan Bennett (Elizabeth). Just a few strategically placed lines from them would be an amazing homage. I also like to think that David and Carolyn were just making up stuff when asked about Roger and Elizabeth. A big part of the Bloodlust plot was about what Carolyn and David were up to in Collinwood and having some others there would have made that nearly impossible. For all we know, David and Carolyn have no idea where Roger and Elizabeth ended up, but I still want them back for the wedding.
I also think that Big Finish is still pushing making the series accessible for new listeners, which is a great plan. However, let us not forget the brilliant way And Red All Over brought back Burke Devlin while following up with Maggie meeting up with Joe.
Angelique better come back. After all she "used the Devil's hand to get back" why not Petofi's? It might just be me, but is she actually dead or simply down a massive pit keeping the hand from getting into mischief? As much as she keeps dying and finding ways to come back, I don't want her dead... again...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 0:13:27 GMT
:Sigh: So, what are the odds we're going to see the corruption of Tom Cunningham this season?
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Post by omega on Feb 2, 2016 0:31:53 GMT
:Sigh: So, what are the odds we're going to see the corruption of Tom Cunningham this season? Either that or death by bacon. He'd better hope Angelique's spell included maintaining his figure, with all the bacon he's eating.
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Post by Rob Morris on Feb 2, 2016 0:48:45 GMT
Tom will survive to the end of the season.
The final words of episode 13 are: "wafer thin mint?"
Then there's a creaking noise and then the theme tune.
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Post by Trace on Feb 2, 2016 2:57:17 GMT
:Sigh: So, what are the odds we're going to see the corruption of Tom Cunningham this season? Either that or death by bacon. He'd better hope Angelique's spell included maintaining his figure, with all the bacon he's eating. Not just his figure, but his HDL cholesterol and triglycerides will be through the roof! And whoever heard of a werewolf who has to take statin meds?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 3:44:23 GMT
It's 1983, you could still smoke in hospitals. simpler times for diet!
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Post by bobod on Feb 2, 2016 9:12:18 GMT
:Sigh: So, what are the odds we're going to see the corruption of Tom Cunningham this season? Awh, don't sigh!
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Post by bobod on Feb 2, 2016 10:42:27 GMT
but please don't make David Burke's son... I agree! David MUST stay a Collins! He looks too much like his ancestors Daniel, Tad, and Jamison (although I recall 1840 Quentin questioning Samantha about Tad's paternity also.). But, for all intents and purposes, they were all Collinses. But Burke is clearly descended from the same stock somewhere down the line too... He does look awfully like Jeremiah Collins. (Well one of him does.)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 10:50:41 GMT
I agree! David MUST stay a Collins! He looks too much like his ancestors Daniel, Tad, and Jamison (although I recall 1840 Quentin questioning Samantha about Tad's paternity also.). But, for all intents and purposes, they were all Collinses. But Burke is clearly descended from the same stock somewhere down the line too... He does look awfully like Jeremiah Collins. (Well one of him does.) I'm more struggling with the fact that if Laura Collins is the same Laura each time, then Roger married his own granny. So David was his own uncle. And his father's uncle, come to that.
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Post by bobod on Feb 2, 2016 10:56:51 GMT
But Burke is clearly descended from the same stock somewhere down the line too... He does look awfully like Jeremiah Collins. (Well one of him does.) I'm more struggling with the fact that if Laura Collins is the same Laura each time, then Roger married his own granny. So David was his own uncle. And his father's uncle, come to that. I do think there's mileage in the fact David isn't 100% human.
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Post by silverednickle on Feb 2, 2016 17:46:31 GMT
I'm more struggling with the fact that if Laura Collins is the same Laura each time, then Roger married his own granny. So David was his own uncle. And his father's uncle, come to that. I do think there's mileage in the fact David isn't 100% human. Please please PLEASE someone put something about phoenix beings in an audio range. Make David struggle with that realization or Diana Millay as Laura Murdock Stockbridge Radcliff Collins Collins Collins return to claim him or have another phoenix come or the mysterious Ra itself. Phoenix beings are such a cool barely tapped part of the Dark Shadows mythology and could offer a whole new perspective to the goings on of the show. Come to think of it, maybe Laura/Ra is the 50th Anniversary badie. Very likely not, but I still can hope.
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