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Post by mark687 on Sept 16, 2021 13:17:13 GMT
But would you move on? Regards mark687 I wouldn't be able to answer that hypothetically I'm afraid. Your entire viewpoint is you (based on Public Comments granted) have a hypothesis/belief he should be found criminally responsible for known of or alleged actions and should face the consequences surely you can venture one for if he was tried and found innocent? Regards mark687 |
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 16, 2021 13:36:19 GMT
I wouldn't be able to answer that hypothetically I'm afraid. Your entire viewpoint is you (based on Public Comments granted) have a hypothesis/belief he should be found criminally responsible for known of or alleged actions and should face the consequences surely you can venture one for if he was tried and found innocent? Regards mark687 Sorry no, as already said, I wouldn't be able to answer that hypothetically I'm afraid. |
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Post by The Brigadier on Sept 16, 2021 13:41:25 GMT
What if he was tried and found innocent or that there was no case to answer on submission according to a judge? Regards mark687 Then that would not be my desired outcome. How positively puritanical of you. I'm sure Mary Whitehouse would be very proud. So..I have a couple of questions. I wasn't going to bother but frankly as you're the one who keeps droning on and on and on about this my curiosity has finally got the better of me. How is it that Barrowman's actions some fifteen odd years ago (which as far as I know had 1 complaint and a bollocking from his boss at the time) has you regularly posting on the forum in faux outrage at his very existence to a point where you now want him tried and convicted (by the way, would that be in a court of law or a court of social media?), yet the more recent allegations against Clarke (in case you'd forgotten - 20+ allegations of being a sexual predator) has barely earned a mention from you? Where's the outrage for those women? Where's the calls for him to be permanently blacklisted? Where's the shouting for him to be tried and convicted sooner? Where's the demands that Big Finish pull Dalek Empire 4 from the download options? Or is it that your cancel culture obsession with Barrowman is simply because he is the more delicious target? I look forward to a response. Whether I get one is up to you. |
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Post by pawntake on Sept 16, 2021 13:42:26 GMT
Really? I'm talking about a specific topic within the thread created for that topic. I would suggest you are trying to agitate me for some reason... You are hilarious!  i am splitting my sides here! So funny! |
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Post by mark687 on Sept 16, 2021 13:43:22 GMT
Your entire viewpoint is you (based on Public Comments granted) have a hypothesis/belief he should be found criminally responsible for known of or alleged actions and should face the consequences surely you can venture one for if he was tried and found innocent? Regards mark687 Sorry no, as already said, I wouldn't be able to answer that hypothetically I'm afraid. No? So just toss the match into the gas of the subject every now and then but don''t move on? Regards mark687 |
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 16, 2021 13:53:26 GMT
Then that would not be my desired outcome. How positively puritanical of you. I'm sure Mary Whitehouse would be very proud. So..I have a couple of questions. I wasn't going to bother but frankly as you're the one who keeps droning on and on and on about this my curiosity has finally got the better of me. How is it that Barrowman's actions some fifteen odd years ago (which as far as I know had 1 complaint and a bollocking from his boss at the time) has you regularly posting on the forum in faux outrage at his very existence to a point where you now want him tried and convicted (by the way, would that be in a court of law or a court of social media?), yet the more recent allegations against Clarke (in case you'd forgotten - 20+ allegations of being a sexual predator) has barely earned a mention from you? Where's the outrage for those women? Where's the calls for him to be permanently blacklisted? Where's the shouting for him to be tried and convicted sooner? Where's the demands that Big Finish pull Dalek Empire 4 from the download options? Or is it that your cancel culture obsession with Barrowman is simply because he is the more delicious target? I look forward to a response. Whether I get one is up to you. 1) Its puritanical of me to find sexual harassment at work unacceptable? Nice bit of shifting the blame, I bet that's what Barrowman said "hey its just tomfoolery relax" to his victims. Mary Whitehouse has nothing to do with it & belittles the topic. 2) I'm sorry I keep droning on and on about a topic in the forum designated for that topic. Didn't realise that was an issue. There are plenty of threads about topics I have no interest in but I wouldn't respond complaining that people are droning on and on. 3) The actions weren't 15 odd years ago he has repeated this behaviour even after 2008 - for example during the making of Torchwood, & during the making of Arrow (there is plenty of evidence for this from convention footage). 4) My outrage isn't "faux" as I have said I find this behaviour unacceptable & to claim it is faux outrage is offensive to those that find sexual harassment in the workplace unacceptable & victims of such acts. A very belittling comment from you. 5) Obviously I mean his conviction to take place in a court of law. 6) Why would I mention the allegations against Clarke in a thread about John Barrowman? I also note this is a common complaint when people discuss Barrowman as if one can not find both individuals behaviour unacceptable & need to mention Clarke as well if they don't it somehow means they don't care about what Clarke did. 7) The so called cancel culture? No it is not cancel culture it is consequences culture. Bit weird of you to suggest that Barrowman is a more delicious target - not quite sure what you are implying. |
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 16, 2021 13:54:52 GMT
Sorry no, as already said, I wouldn't be able to answer that hypothetically I'm afraid. No? So just toss the match into the gas of the subject every now and then but don''t move on? Regards mark687 Not tossing any matches just commenting about a specific topic within the thread designated for that topic. Whether I "move on" or not is something that only time & circumstance can dictate hence me not being able to make a clear honest response to your question. |
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Post by The Brigadier on Sept 16, 2021 14:31:05 GMT
How positively puritanical of you. I'm sure Mary Whitehouse would be very proud. So..I have a couple of questions. I wasn't going to bother but frankly as you're the one who keeps droning on and on and on about this my curiosity has finally got the better of me. How is it that Barrowman's actions some fifteen odd years ago (which as far as I know had 1 complaint and a bollocking from his boss at the time) has you regularly posting on the forum in faux outrage at his very existence to a point where you now want him tried and convicted (by the way, would that be in a court of law or a court of social media?), yet the more recent allegations against Clarke (in case you'd forgotten - 20+ allegations of being a sexual predator) has barely earned a mention from you? Where's the outrage for those women? Where's the calls for him to be permanently blacklisted? Where's the shouting for him to be tried and convicted sooner? Where's the demands that Big Finish pull Dalek Empire 4 from the download options? Or is it that your cancel culture obsession with Barrowman is simply because he is the more delicious target? I look forward to a response. Whether I get one is up to you. 1) Its puritanical of me to find sexual harassment at work unacceptable? Nice bit of shifting the blame, I bet that's what Barrowman said "hey its just tomfoolery relax" to his victims. Mary Whitehouse has nothing to do with it & belittles the topic. 2) I'm sorry I keep droning on and on about a topic in the forum designated for that topic. Didn't realise that was an issue. There are plenty of threads about topics I have no interest in but I wouldn't respond complaining that people are droning on and on. 3) The actions weren't 15 odd years ago he has repeated this behaviour even after 2008 - for example during the making of Torchwood, & during the making of Arrow (there is plenty of evidence for this from convention footage). 4) My outrage isn't "faux" as I have said I find this behaviour unacceptable & to claim it is faux outrage is offensive to those that find sexual harassment in the workplace unacceptable & victims of such acts. A very belittling comment from you. 5) Obviously I mean his conviction to take place in a court of law. 6) Why would I mention the allegations against Clarke in a thread about John Barrowman? I also note this is a common complaint when people discuss Barrowman as if one can not find both individuals behaviour unacceptable & need to mention Clarke as well if they don't it somehow means they don't care about what Clarke did. 7) The so called cancel culture? No it is not cancel culture it is consequences culture. Bit weird of you to suggest that Barrowman is a more delicious target - not quite sure what you are implying. Bravo JHD! That was EXACTLY the answer I was expecting from you..a predictable attack. Nice try. I'll rate it a 5 for effort. You've slipped up though. If you find sexual harassment in the workplace as unacceptable as you claim you do then why have you not continually posted about Clarke's allegations, which centre on sexual harassment (and far worse) in the workplace? Once again I'll ask you - where is the support for those women? |
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 16, 2021 14:42:23 GMT
1) Its puritanical of me to find sexual harassment at work unacceptable? Nice bit of shifting the blame, I bet that's what Barrowman said "hey its just tomfoolery relax" to his victims. Mary Whitehouse has nothing to do with it & belittles the topic. 2) I'm sorry I keep droning on and on about a topic in the forum designated for that topic. Didn't realise that was an issue. There are plenty of threads about topics I have no interest in but I wouldn't respond complaining that people are droning on and on. 3) The actions weren't 15 odd years ago he has repeated this behaviour even after 2008 - for example during the making of Torchwood, & during the making of Arrow (there is plenty of evidence for this from convention footage). 4) My outrage isn't "faux" as I have said I find this behaviour unacceptable & to claim it is faux outrage is offensive to those that find sexual harassment in the workplace unacceptable & victims of such acts. A very belittling comment from you. 5) Obviously I mean his conviction to take place in a court of law. 6) Why would I mention the allegations against Clarke in a thread about John Barrowman? I also note this is a common complaint when people discuss Barrowman as if one can not find both individuals behaviour unacceptable & need to mention Clarke as well if they don't it somehow means they don't care about what Clarke did. 7) The so called cancel culture? No it is not cancel culture it is consequences culture. Bit weird of you to suggest that Barrowman is a more delicious target - not quite sure what you are implying. Bravo JHD! That was EXACTLY the answer I was expecting from you..a predictable attack. Nice try. I'll rate it a 5 for effort. You've slipped up though. If you find sexual harassment in the workplace as unacceptable as you claim you do then why have you not continually posted about Clarke's allegations, which centre on sexual harassment (and far worse) in the workplace? Once again I'll ask you - where is the support for those women? Not an attack at all, just a valid response to your questions. PS - I don't "claim" to find sexual harassment in the workplace unacceptable (nice attack again from you) I actually do & I have already answered that question about Clarke, & do support Gina Powell, Jahannah James & the other brave women but of course by your logic if I do not discuss it here then I must not care! But keep asking it by all means if you wish even though you have made your assumptions about me in an attempt to claim my feelings about this matter are not genuine or faux as you put it & that somehow I find Barrowman a "delicious target". I would appreciate an elaboration on this from you, what do you mean by "delicious target". |
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Post by The Brigadier on Sept 16, 2021 15:22:25 GMT
Bravo JHD! That was EXACTLY the answer I was expecting from you..a predictable attack. Nice try. I'll rate it a 5 for effort. You've slipped up though. If you find sexual harassment in the workplace as unacceptable as you claim you do then why have you not continually posted about Clarke's allegations, which centre on sexual harassment (and far worse) in the workplace? Once again I'll ask you - where is the support for those women? Not an attack at all, just a valid response to your questions. PS - I don't "claim" to find sexual harassment in the workplace unacceptable (nice attack again from you) I actually do & I have already answered that question about Clarke, & do support Gina Powell, Jahannah James & the other brave women but of course by your logic if I do not discuss it here then I must not care! But keep asking it by all means if you wish even though you have made your assumptions about me in an attempt to claim my feelings about this matter are not genuine or faux as you put it & that somehow I find Barrowman a "delicious target". I would appreciate an elaboration on this from you, what do you mean by "delicious target". No, you really haven't answered my question. You've swerved around it and you've deflected back at me but you haven't honestly answered (though kudos on looking up the Guardian article). I really hoped just this once you would and that maybe you would prove me wrong in my "assumptions" about you. Anyway.."delicious target". Whether you want to call it Consequences Culture or Cancel Culture it pretty much boils down to the same thing. Individuals taking it upon themselves to be the custodians of our morals and conduct trials by social media on high profile celebrities for past misdemeanours. If a high profile target like Barrowman was tried and convicted in a court of law following such a witch hunt, can you honestly say you wouldn't find his downfall satisfying or "delicious"? |
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 16, 2021 15:30:54 GMT
Not an attack at all, just a valid response to your questions. PS - I don't "claim" to find sexual harassment in the workplace unacceptable (nice attack again from you) I actually do & I have already answered that question about Clarke, & do support Gina Powell, Jahannah James & the other brave women but of course by your logic if I do not discuss it here then I must not care! But keep asking it by all means if you wish even though you have made your assumptions about me in an attempt to claim my feelings about this matter are not genuine or faux as you put it & that somehow I find Barrowman a "delicious target". I would appreciate an elaboration on this from you, what do you mean by "delicious target". No, you really haven't answered my question. You've swerved around it and you've deflected back at me but you haven't honestly answered (though kudos on looking up the Guardian article). I really hoped just this once you would and that maybe you would prove me wrong in my "assumptions" about you. Anyway.."delicious target". Whether you want to call it Consequences Culture or Cancel Culture it pretty much boils down to the same thing. Individuals taking it upon themselves to be the custodians of our morals and conduct trials by social media on high profile celebrities for past misdemeanours. If a high profile target like Barrowman was tried and convicted in a court of law following such a witch hunt, can you honestly say you wouldn't find his downfall satisfying or "delicious"? 1) Didn't swerve a question you just didn't like the answer which is fine. 2) Didn't look up a guardian article. 3) I'm not taking it upon myself to be the custodian of our morals (this is my moral take on the situation) nor am I conducting trial by social media I do not use social media for that purpose. 4) No I would not find it delicious I would see it as justice being served on another high profile individual who seems to think they are above the law & would hopefully contribute to a cultural shift in this behaviour. Supplemental - feel free to continue to hold whatever assumptions you have about me, although it does rather render further discussion pointless. |
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Post by mark687 on Sept 16, 2021 15:49:37 GMT
But again JHD you've entered the discussion on the basis your premises on the subject is the only possible one and as information or circumstances evolve or change you vehemently enforce that position and will continue to do so, that's not Discussion that's Soapboxing (which admittedly can be viewed an assumption based on your Posts.)
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Post by pawntake on Sept 16, 2021 15:55:51 GMT
Final score The Brigadier 2 jhd 0 For a time there i thought it was going to penalties!
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 16, 2021 15:59:39 GMT
But again JHD you've entered the discussion on the basis your premises on the subject is the only possible one and as information or circumstances evolve or change you vehemently enforce that position and will continue to do so, that's not Discussion that's Soapboxing (which admittedly can be viewed an assumption based on your Posts.) Regards mark687 I do have my opinion on this which I won't change, if it is wrong to have a set opinion on what I see as sexual harassment (I haven't seen much in the way of information or circumstances about this topic evolving) & if it is regarded as soapboxing by others than so be it. However, I have answered questions on this from yourself & Brigadier to the best of my ability. What else am I supposed to do? Although I would disagree that I think my opinion is the only one & I didn't enter the discussion on that basis. I entered it from my own point of view on the issue which is all I can do, however this discussion is now bordering on being personal which is in danger of breaking the rules. |
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Post by The Brigadier on Sept 16, 2021 19:00:23 GMT
No, you really haven't answered my question. You've swerved around it and you've deflected back at me but you haven't honestly answered (though kudos on looking up the Guardian article). I really hoped just this once you would and that maybe you would prove me wrong in my "assumptions" about you. Anyway.."delicious target". Whether you want to call it Consequences Culture or Cancel Culture it pretty much boils down to the same thing. Individuals taking it upon themselves to be the custodians of our morals and conduct trials by social media on high profile celebrities for past misdemeanours. If a high profile target like Barrowman was tried and convicted in a court of law following such a witch hunt, can you honestly say you wouldn't find his downfall satisfying or "delicious"? 1) Didn't swerve a question you just didn't like the answer which is fine. 2) Didn't look up a guardian article. 3) I'm not taking it upon myself to be the custodian of our morals (this is my moral take on the situation) nor am I conducting trial by social media I do not use social media for that purpose. 4) No I would not find it delicious I would see it as justice being served on another high profile individual who seems to think they are above the law & would hopefully contribute to a cultural shift in this behaviour. Supplemental - feel free to continue to hold whatever assumptions you have about me, although it does rather render further discussion pointless. Sorry for the late response - I had something far more important to do. Anyway.. 1) Yes you did. I would have liked an honest answer to the question but clearly that's not going to happen. 2) Oh of course you did. Not going to lie I had to. You can feel a great deal of sympathy for all the women who stepped forward, but personal life gets in the way of engraving their names on your memory. 3) You certainly are. See your own answer to 4. 4) Ah. I see now. In your eyes Barrowman has evaded being punished for his 'crime' and is laughing in the face of the law... society merely shrugs...and you can't stand it. Ultimately though you are right (see? I can agree with you)..this is now a pointless discussion so let's end it here. Oh, and I certainly will feel free to hold onto the assumptions you've helped form tonight. Thanks for offering. |
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Post by kipperserver on Sept 18, 2021 12:38:50 GMT
Barroman claims he's been blackballed by Big Finish
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Post by sherlock on Sept 18, 2021 12:55:30 GMT
Barroman claims he's been blackballed by Big Finish Tweet you posted isn’t showing up as Barrowman seems to have locked his account. |
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Post by theillusiveman on Sept 18, 2021 13:24:59 GMT
/photo/2 Oof
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Post by grinch on Sept 18, 2021 13:26:56 GMT
Well, if that truly is the case then we know at least one person who’s going to be happy to hear that news.
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Post by mark687 on Sept 18, 2021 13:29:45 GMT
Corsair and River or River and Owen Harper Spin-Off then anyone?
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i am splitting my sides here! 
