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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 1:04:34 GMT
At the risk of being a typical Doctor Who fan and responding far too seriously ( )... Susan (and Ian and Barbara) are the first companions the same way Hartnell is still the first Doctor (and Eccleston was still the ninth after the War Doctor, etc, etc). The real world is different from the fictional world and a retcon "in-universe" doesn't erase the actual people's legacy. Delgado will always be the first actor to play the Master, even though we could reasonably assume (insane efforts by several Wilderness Years publications to suggest otherwise aside...) he was not the first incarnation after Deadly Assassin has the Master on his final regeneration. That's part of why I don't think the Timeless Child (or the Morbius Doctors or the deleted lines in Power of the Daleks) erase Hartnell's legacy. He's still the First Doctor to us, the one who started the show. The fact that the Doctor as a fictional character has a longer, hidden, history does nothing to change that. Susan might not literally be the first companion ( Fugitive shows she isn't and I'm sure we'll get more Jo Martin companions when her "era" gets expanded on), but Carole Ann Ford is one of the first companions regardless of retcons. Thank you for expressing something I've been failing to express to so many people for the last year and a half! I may actually direct some people I know to this post so they can finally understand what I've been trying to say (Although some of them simply refuse to have an open mind about anything, so it'll probably still be a waste of time...)Oh, never define something you enjoy by what those with closed minds think. That will always be a losing battle. What you believe is fundamentally yours. No one can claim possession over your own thoughts (and they're mad if they do). If you have confidence and conviction, the only metric you really need is yourself. And, you know... There are always those of us who will listen, so factor time accordingly.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Oct 3, 2021 15:59:57 GMT
As mentioned on another thread the rumour for the 60th casting is David Tennant, Billie Piper, Catherine Tate, Matt Smith & Jenna Louise Coleman. I think Tate returning would be great, I'd like to see her interacting with other Doctors but not sure how it would fit given what happened to her character I wouldn't like to see that undone so maybe earlier in her timeline?
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Post by Digi on Oct 9, 2021 23:53:59 GMT
Chatting with a friend just now, spitballing never going to happen thoughts… I was thinking it would be fun if Richard E Grant turned up as a live-action version of the Shalka Doctor, now retconned into being a Division Doctor. Her response was that her own personal headcanon is that the Shalka Doctor is who the post-McGann incarnation of the Doctor was supposed to be/would have been, if the Time War had never happened. I like her idea more than mine, honestly. Be some really interesting storytelling fodder if he turned up alongside some of the nuWho Doctors, and they don’t really know what to make of him because he’s who they should have been, and if not for the war, none of them would exist. Then we went really off the rails, with me suggesting that whatever adventure they get up to ends with erasing them and the closing shot of the episode is a card reading simply “Introducing Richard E Grant as the Ninth Doctor.” It would never happen. I don’t even WANT it to happen. But it’s fun to kick around ridiculous ideas
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2021 0:09:39 GMT
Chatting with a friend just now, spitballing never going to happen thoughts… I was thinking it would be fun if Richard E Grant turned up as a live-action version of the Shalka Doctor, now retconned into being a Division Doctor. Her response was that her own personal headcanon is that the Shalka Doctor is who the post-McGann incarnation of the Doctor was supposed to be/would have been, if the Time War had never happened. I like her idea more than mine, honestly. Be some really interesting storytelling fodder if he turned up alongside some of the nuWho Doctors, and they don’t really know what to make of him because he’s who they should have been, and if not for the war, none of them would exist. Then we went really off the rails, with me suggesting that whatever adventure they get up to ends with erasing them and the closing shot of the episode is a card reading simply “Introducing Richard E Grant as the Ninth Doctor.” It would never happen. I don’t even WANT it to happen. But it’s fun to kick around ridiculous ideas I know you were having a laugh but RTD HATED Grant in Shalka. In one of the S1 Confidentials when discussing casting he says the one thing he knew, he was never going to ask Richard E Grant (who lest we forget was announced by the BBC as the official 9th Doctor) after his "terrible" performance in Shalka where he sounded like he had never seen the script and had just decided to play angry for no reason. RTD is one of the biggest luvvies going. Everyone is "marvellous" and "fabulous" - so you know he really hated REG! He had kind words for every Doc bar him. I'm actually with Russell - I love Grant but he was shocking as The Doctor. When he's bad (Shalka, Spice World, Hudson Hawk) he is atrocious. Yet when he's interested - How To Get Ahead In Advertising, Can You Ever Forgive Me and, of course, Withnail And I, he is stunning. Hell, he was great as the..well, Great Intelligence!
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Post by timegirl on Oct 10, 2021 0:14:03 GMT
For my own piece of mind, I’m not going to believe any casting rumors about the 60th until we get closer (after series 13 airs). It’s too early for that, and any cast coming back will probably be private at this point. We probably shouldn’t even believe anyone who gets asked about the 60th and says they aren’t interested or not involved because chances are they still could be but aren’t allowed to say anything because of a non disclosure agreement/keeping things a surprise.
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Post by Digi on Oct 10, 2021 0:18:20 GMT
Chatting with a friend just now, spitballing never going to happen thoughts… I was thinking it would be fun if Richard E Grant turned up as a live-action version of the Shalka Doctor, now retconned into being a Division Doctor. Her response was that her own personal headcanon is that the Shalka Doctor is who the post-McGann incarnation of the Doctor was supposed to be/would have been, if the Time War had never happened. I like her idea more than mine, honestly. Be some really interesting storytelling fodder if he turned up alongside some of the nuWho Doctors, and they don’t really know what to make of him because he’s who they should have been, and if not for the war, none of them would exist. Then we went really off the rails, with me suggesting that whatever adventure they get up to ends with erasing them and the closing shot of the episode is a card reading simply “Introducing Richard E Grant as the Ninth Doctor.” It would never happen. I don’t even WANT it to happen. But it’s fun to kick around ridiculous ideas I know you were having a laugh but RTD HATED Grant in Shalka. In one of the S1 Confidentials when discussing casting he says the one thing he knew, he was never going to ask Richard E Grant (who lest we forget was announced by the BBC as the official 9th Doctor) after his "terrible" performance in Shalka where he sounded like he had never seen the script and had just decided to play angry for no reason. RTD is one of the biggest luvvies going. Everyone is "marvellous" and "fabulous" - so you know he really hated REG! He had kind words for every Doc bar him. I'm actually with Russell - I love Grant but he was shocking as The Doctor. When he's bad (Shalka, Spice World, Hudson Hawk) he is atrocious. Yet when he's interested - How To Get Ahead In Advertising, Can You Ever Forgive Me and, of course, Withnail And I, he is stunning. Hell, he was great as the..well, Great Intelligence! Ha, I actually did not know that RTD hated Grant's Doctor. Interesting bit of trivia there. I wonder if he's cooled on that any? It's been quite a long time now. Not that it really matters I suppose, we were just kicking around ideas and descended into silliness
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Post by Digi on Oct 10, 2021 0:19:48 GMT
For my own piece of mind, I’m not going to believe any casting rumors about the 60th until we get closer (after series 13 airs). It’s too early for that, and any cast coming back will probably be private at this point. We probably shouldn’t even believe anyone who gets asked about the 60th and says they aren’t interested or not involved because chances are they still could be but aren’t allowed to say anything because of a non disclosure agreement/keeping things a surprise. Oh yeah, absolutely. The 60th is still two years away, it's far far too soon for anything to be even remotely believable. As a rule I generally don't believe any rumours at all, specials or not. Until it's officially announced, trust nothing
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Post by timegirl on Oct 10, 2021 0:22:55 GMT
For my own piece of mind, I’m not going to believe any casting rumors about the 60th until we get closer (after series 13 airs). It’s too early for that, and any cast coming back will probably be private at this point. We probably shouldn’t even believe anyone who gets asked about the 60th and says they aren’t interested or not involved because chances are they still could be but aren’t allowed to say anything because of a non disclosure agreement/keeping things a surprise. Oh yeah, absolutely. The 60th is still two years away, it's far far too soon for anything to be even remotely believable. As a rule I generally don't believe any rumours at all, specials or not. Until it's officially announced, trust nothing I’m going to stay hopeful RTD can convince Capaldi and Coleman to come back for the 60th!😊 A lot can happen in 2 years!🤞
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 10, 2021 0:54:15 GMT
Oh yeah, absolutely. The 60th is still two years away, it's far far too soon for anything to be even remotely believable. As a rule I generally don't believe any rumours at all, specials or not. Until it's officially announced, trust nothing I’m going to stay hopeful RTD can convince Capaldi and Coleman to come back for the 60th!😊 A lot can happen in 2 years!🤞 Even if it may not happen here, remember: it doesn't mean it never will somewhere else. Look how 'done' Tom and Chris were, and well, here we are today. Don't lose hope for 'one day'.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2021 1:01:21 GMT
IF the episode starts with Doctor 14 (and Jodie's done with the BBC Centenary special so why wouldn't it?) - then I don't want ANY old Doctors back except in cameos. The onus must be on the new person, not the automatically more popular returnees. Starting an era with multi-Doc seems very unlike RTD's all-welcome ethos.
I've heard some suggestions that the 60th could be a past Doc anthology, a bit like, say The Four Doctors for BF, where we can have loads of past Docs back for 15mins or so, then come together at the end. Seems very fun - and very fannish. Again using an event like the 60th and the potential ratings it'll get NOT to give the rub to the new Doctor seems very un-RTD and counter to anyone casting a new Doc, frankly.
So my wish, as per the title - just a rollicking big adventure with the new Doctor be it Olly Alexander or whomever. Maybe use settings, companions and monsters from the past as your nostalgia if we must, but the spotlight must very much be on them.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Oct 10, 2021 1:14:58 GMT
IF the episode starts with Doctor 14 (and Jodie's done with the BBC Centenary special so why wouldn't it?) - then I don't want ANY old Doctors back except in cameos. The onus must be on the new person, not the automatically more popular returnees Starting an era with multi-Doc seems very unlike RTD's all-welcome ethos.I've heard some suggestions that the 60th could be a past Doc anthology, a bit like, say The Four Doctors for BF, where we can have loads of past Docs back for 15mins or so, then come together at the end. Seems very fun - and very fannish. Again using an event like the 60th and the potential ratings it'll get NOT to give the rub to the new Doctor seems very un-RTD and counter to anyone casting a new Doc, frankly. So my wish, as per the title - just a rollicking big adventure with the new Doctor be it Olly Alexander or whomever. Maybe use settings, companions and monsters from the past as your nostalgia if we must, but the spotlight must very much be on them. and isn’t RTD on record as not being a fan of multi-Doctor stories. Or if not being a fan, not feeling that writing them is in his wheelhouse? Which is why Moffat wrote Time Crash and not RTD.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Oct 10, 2021 1:19:54 GMT
IF the episode starts with Doctor 14 (and Jodie's done with the BBC Centenary special so why wouldn't it?) - then I don't want ANY old Doctors back except in cameos. The onus must be on the new person, not the automatically more popular returnees Starting an era with multi-Doc seems very unlike RTD's all-welcome ethos.I've heard some suggestions that the 60th could be a past Doc anthology, a bit like, say The Four Doctors for BF, where we can have loads of past Docs back for 15mins or so, then come together at the end. Seems very fun - and very fannish. Again using an event like the 60th and the potential ratings it'll get NOT to give the rub to the new Doctor seems very un-RTD and counter to anyone casting a new Doc, frankly. So my wish, as per the title - just a rollicking big adventure with the new Doctor be it Olly Alexander or whomever. Maybe use settings, companions and monsters from the past as your nostalgia if we must, but the spotlight must very much be on them. and isn’t RTD on record as not being a fan of multi-Doctor stories. Or if not being a fan, not feeling that writing them is in his wheelhouse? Which is why Moffat wrote Time Crash and not RTD. Interesting, I do think if we are having a new Doctor (Lydia West) in the 60th then using multiple companions would be the way to go, maybe for a companionless 14 trying to establish themselves & use their companions to help save the universe.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2021 1:28:26 GMT
IF the episode starts with Doctor 14 (and Jodie's done with the BBC Centenary special so why wouldn't it?) - then I don't want ANY old Doctors back except in cameos. The onus must be on the new person, not the automatically more popular returnees Starting an era with multi-Doc seems very unlike RTD's all-welcome ethos.I've heard some suggestions that the 60th could be a past Doc anthology, a bit like, say The Four Doctors for BF, where we can have loads of past Docs back for 15mins or so, then come together at the end. Seems very fun - and very fannish. Again using an event like the 60th and the potential ratings it'll get NOT to give the rub to the new Doctor seems very un-RTD and counter to anyone casting a new Doc, frankly. So my wish, as per the title - just a rollicking big adventure with the new Doctor be it Olly Alexander or whomever. Maybe use settings, companions and monsters from the past as your nostalgia if we must, but the spotlight must very much be on them. and isn’t RTD on record as not being a fan of multi-Doctor stories. Or if not being a fan, not feeling that writing them is in his wheelhouse? Which is why Moffat wrote Time Crash and not RTD. I can't recall the specifics but he knew Moffat was a bigger Davison era fan and thought he'd be best suited was what stuck in my mind. Plus at that point, ANYTHING RTD could get help with, he took advantage of as he was swamped. I know why fans - me included - love multi-Doc eps but I'm with what Capaldi said on the radio - you do too many, it's not an event any more. We only got one at Christmas 2017 with Capaldi and Bradley. And you can argue last year with Jodie and Jo Martin (though I think that's different since Jo didn't have a pre-existing fan base in Who). Again, I'm all for cameos, maybe some freshly filmed treats as Easter Eggs for us fans but not more than a few mins at most. For a new Doctor, the new Dooctor must be the star. RTD said in The Writer's Tale the one thing he'd change is having Tennant sleeping through most of his first ep in Christmas Invasion - the idea was obviously "things are really bad, then tah-dah, new Doc gets the cool hero moment" but it came off more as a long minisode. Of course with scheduling then with a series every year, we were only 3 months away from a series so it wasn't that bad. I think Moffat got it spot on in The Eleventh Hour. No "regeneration naps"- straight in with "THIS is THE DOCTOR". Matt was time travelling, fighting off alien hoardes (two of them), commandeering a fire truck (like Barbara in Dalek Invasion Of Earth) getting to know Amy and Amelia. It was a sensationally fun intro ep and like Rose, the perfect way to do a new start with a Doctor.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Oct 10, 2021 1:38:20 GMT
and isn’t RTD on record as not being a fan of multi-Doctor stories. Or if not being a fan, not feeling that writing them is in his wheelhouse? Which is why Moffat wrote Time Crash and not RTD. I can't recall the specifics but he knew Moffat was a bigger Davison era fan and thought he'd be best suited was what stuck in my mind. Plus at that point, ANYTHING RTD could get help with, he took advantage of as he was swamped. I know why fans - me included - love multi-Doc eps but I'm with what Capaldi said on the radio - you do too many, it's not an event any more. We only got one at Christmas 2017 with Capaldi and Bradley. And you can argue last year with Jodie and Jo Martin (though I think that's different since Jo didn't have a pre-existing fan base in Who). Again, I'm all for cameos, maybe some freshly filmed treats as Easter Eggs for us fans but not more than a few mins at most. For a new Doctor, the new Dooctor must be the star. RTD said in The Writer's Tale the one thing he'd change is having Tennant sleeping through most of his first ep in Christmas Invasion - the idea was obviously "things are really bad, then tah-dah, new Doc gets the cool hero moment" but it came off more as a long minisode. Of course with scheduling then with a series every year, we were only 3 months away from a series so it wasn't that bad. I think Moffat got it spot on in The Eleventh Hour. No "regeneration naps"- straight in with "THIS is THE DOCTOR". Matt was time travelling, fighting off alien hoardes (two of them), commandeering a fire truck (like Barbara in Dalek Invasion Of Earth) getting to know Amy and Amelia. It was a sensationally fun intro ep and like Rose, the perfect way to do a new start with a Doctor.Still has my vote for best introduction episode and one of the show’s finest hours. Ever.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Oct 10, 2021 1:45:29 GMT
While I love a multi-doc episode as much as the next fan, perhaps an anthology of minisodes a la "Night of the Doctor" orbiting around the 60th might be a better way to go, if indeed more Doctors are wanted for the anniversary? I'd love to see both Bakers together, each one playing a version of the Curator! Other than that if that were the route then perhaps Capaldi WOULD return for a 7 minute episode that's not a multidoc. Who can tell?
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Oct 10, 2021 1:53:35 GMT
I’m going to stay hopeful RTD can convince Capaldi and Coleman to come back for the 60th!😊 A lot can happen in 2 years!🤞 Even if it may not happen here, remember: it doesn't mean it never will somewhere else. Look how 'done' Tom and Chris were, and well, here we are today. Don't lose hope for 'one day'.
Probably even less chance of that happening as he hates audio drama.
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Post by timegirl on Oct 10, 2021 1:53:37 GMT
I’m going to stay hopeful RTD can convince Capaldi and Coleman to come back for the 60th!😊 A lot can happen in 2 years!🤞 Even if it may not happen here, remember: it doesn't mean it never will somewhere else. Look how 'done' Tom and Chris were, and well, here we are today. Don't lose hope for 'one day'.
I hope so 🥲
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Post by timegirl on Oct 10, 2021 2:00:01 GMT
Even if it may not happen here, remember: it doesn't mean it never will somewhere else. Look how 'done' Tom and Chris were, and well, here we are today. Don't lose hope for 'one day'.
Probably even less chance of that happening as he hates audio drama. That was taken out of context what he meant in context was the bbc audio drama recording studios were dreary not that he hates audio drama. In fact he said right after that some of them are very good. I wish that clip never got taken out of of context, it made everyone think he doesn’t like it when in fact he just played Mozart in an audio drama written by a big Finish writer last year.
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Post by timegirl on Oct 10, 2021 2:03:27 GMT
While I love a multi-doc episode as much as the next fan, perhaps an anthology of minisodes a la "Night of the Doctor" orbiting around the 60th might be a better way to go, if indeed more Doctors are wanted for the anniversary? I'd love to see both Bakers together, each one playing a version of the Curator! Other than that if that were the route then perhaps Capaldi WOULD return for a 7 minute episode that's not a multidoc. Who can tell? I would love it if 12 (and possibly Clara) got a minisode all to to himself 😊
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Post by timegirl on Oct 10, 2021 2:34:45 GMT
Just going to reiterate that a lot can change in 2 years, including people’s minds and leave it at that🤞
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