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Post by martinw8686 on Sept 21, 2023 10:34:51 GMT
Why is it, that when you have one specific release your waiting for, that all the random stuff you don't care about comes out first? I've seen War Room 2 pushed back twice and really couldn't care less about Dooms Day. I couldn't care less about War Room 2. Fair enough. It seems quite often the release I'm most interested in is usually pushed back or happens to be the last of the month. I'd heard War Room 2s release got pushed back to swap with Doom's Day, so was just venting my frustration. Probably should have put my thoughts on the Gallifrey thread. I hope you enjoy Doom's Day, I'm a little Jaded with the concept as I'd hoped for more from Timelord Victorious. Happy to be proved wrong though.
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Post by mark687 on Sept 21, 2023 16:13:46 GMT
Ok so I think the idea was Do a DW story in the vein of "Red Dwarf" or "Lower Decks" Relatable Humour in the franchise context.
Trouble is from an Audience viewpoint Doom's hard to relate to and none of the other characters in on the Humour
The Silence use in this kind of works (weather it sustains a whole EP I don't know)
The beat change in the final half-hour is jarring (and the overall plot revelation a bit head-scratching if you've followed the entire Arc.)
2/5 A mess but I'm not sure whose.
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Post by mark687 on Sept 21, 2023 16:27:12 GMT
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Post by thegreendeath on Sept 21, 2023 21:24:40 GMT
Ok so I think the idea was Do a DW story in the vein of "Red Dwarf" or "Lower Decks" Relatable Humour in the franchise context. Trouble is from an Audience viewpoint Doom's hard to relate to and none of the other characters in on the Humour The Silence use in this kind of works (weather it sustains a whole EP I don't know) The beat change in the final half-hour is jarring (and the overall plot revelation a bit head-scratching if you've followed the entire Arc.) 2/5 A mess but I'm not sure whose. Regards mark687 After really enjoying the novel and the BBC audios I had high hopes for this and also generally enjoy Jac Rayner’s writing but I’m really struggling with the first story. Your point of it being “Lower Decks” like isn’t wrong and you’re also not wrong that it seems an ill fit given the main character being not the most likable and the secondary characters mot really being in on the joke. I hope it gets better because this is the first BF purchase in a while that I’m regretting.
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Post by elkawho on Sept 21, 2023 23:33:35 GMT
I thought the first story was terrible. I came extremely close to turning it off a number of times, it was actually hard to listen to. I'm about half way into the second story and it's not much better.
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Post by nottenst on Sept 22, 2023 17:05:17 GMT
I thought the first story was terrible. I came extremely close to turning it off a number of times, it was actually hard to listen to. I'm about half way into the second story and it's not much better. That is not an inspiring review.
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Post by coffeeaddict on Sept 22, 2023 17:41:45 GMT
I thought the first story was terrible. I came extremely close to turning it off a number of times, it was actually hard to listen to. I'm about half way into the second story and it's not much better. Are you saying my decision to avoid this series like the plague was a good call?
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Post by elkawho on Sept 22, 2023 19:21:48 GMT
I thought the first story was terrible. I came extremely close to turning it off a number of times, it was actually hard to listen to. I'm about half way into the second story and it's not much better. Are you saying my decision to avoid this series like the plague was a good call? Absolutely
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Post by grinch on Sept 22, 2023 20:13:56 GMT
Considering the equally as lukewarm reaction I’ve seen from other sites regarding this set, I somehow get the impression that after this year we won’t be seeing Doom make any repeat appearances anytime soon.
Presumably to be cast upon the pile of other characters pushed for obvious spin-off material such as Ashildr or Brian the Ood. Mind you, at least that last one had an interesting concept.
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Post by melkur on Sept 22, 2023 21:52:03 GMT
I'm not going to say that it's a 'favourite' boxset of the year but, as a whole, I didn't mind it? (Though, coming from me that probably didn't say much).
Masterplan Prequel was ok, it did have some nice moments to it, but it did also slightly feel like it was "Hartnell characters for the 'sake' of Hartnell characters"
Dinner With Destiny I did like, but I could have done with a few less 'babes'?
Werewolves Vs Silents was ok, but I have partly forgotten what's happened in it (no that isn't me riffing on the Silent's 'gimmick').
'The Crowd' was good, I liked 'The Crowd'. It was nice to hear 8 & Charley together again (whilst I did pre-order their boxset from a year or so ago, I haven't found time to listen to it yet), and it was nice to hear a Doctor physically interact with Doom, and the 'ethics' discussion throughout.
As a whole, whilst I've been enjoying it more than I thought I would based on the initial trailer, I am glad that this series is now drawing to a close...
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Post by elkawho on Sept 24, 2023 3:52:49 GMT
Ok, I will have to admit it. The Crowd was a decent story. Charley and Eight are excellent together in this one. The problem is that this is a little too late for me. It's the last story and by the time I got here I was begging for something that I didn't hate. (And was ready to kill Doom myself if I had to hear her call another character "babe" one more time.) And, man, I never wanted the Doctor to just slap someone as much as I wanted him to slap Doom. So yeah, I loved the fact that he made it clear how much he disliked her throughout this story.
One basic thing about this story bothered me. I haven't read or heard any other parts of Doom's story, so maybe this is just me missing something. But I don't get, or like, the idea that she has to find The First Doctor and that none of the others will be able to help her. After all this time, haven't we already established that this is the same man? Clara even got a phone call explaining that. Whatever it is that she needs One to do, Eight should be able to remember and do it as well.
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Post by mark687 on Sept 24, 2023 10:18:15 GMT
Ok, I will have to admit it. The Crowd was a decent story. Charley and Eight are excellent together in this one. The problem is that this is a little too late for me. It's the last story and by the time I got here I was begging for something that I didn't hate. (And was ready to kill Doom myself if I had to hear her call another character "babe" one more time.) And, man, I never wanted the Doctor to just slap someone as much as I wanted him to slap Doom. So yeah, I loved the fact that he made it clear how much he disliked her throughout this story. One basic thing about this story bothered me. I haven't read or heard any other parts of Doom's story, so maybe this is just me missing something. But I don't get, or like, the idea that she has to find The First Doctor and that none of the others will be able to help her. After all this time, haven't we already established that this is the same man? Clara even got a phone call explaining that. Whatever it is that she needs One to do, Eight should be able to remember and do it as well. Exactly and as it stands it makes the whole project redundant. Regards mark687
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Post by nitronine on Sept 24, 2023 10:23:48 GMT
One basic thing about this story bothered me. I haven't read or heard any other parts of Doom's story, so maybe this is just me missing something. But I don't get, or like, the idea that she has to find The First Doctor and that none of the others will be able to help her. After all this time, haven't we already established that this is the same man? Clara even got a phone call explaining that. Whatever it is that she needs One to do, Eight should be able to remember and do it as well. I think the implication is supposed to be that the Doctor remembers helping Doom in his 1st incarnation so all the later ones refuse to help to preserve the timeline, but I don’t think that’s been made explicit.
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Post by nitronine on Sept 24, 2023 10:38:02 GMT
I enjoyed this for the most part. I’ve spent the last week doing all of Doom’s Day and this boxset is probably the best it’s gotten for me, although I think would say if it’s your only experience of Doom’s Day it probably won’t be the best as it took me quite a while to get used to Doom’s personality.
The first story was fairly enjoyable, but I don’t think I’d care as much if I didn’t already know who Doom was as the delegates were hardly in it, more of an easter egg than a story based around them. Not a complaint though because as much as I love TDMP I don’t really remember enough about them to know who’s who. The second one is probably my favourite Jackie story since Wednesdays For Beginners because I feel like all of Jackie’s stories, bar the Dimension Cannon ones, have just repeated the same emotional beats from WFB and this one I think did something new. Ironically I’ve already forgotten most of the third story, I will need to relisten at some point. 8 and Charley are always good fun though and it was good to hear the Doctor and Doom interact a bit more because all of the other hours were fairly brief. I also enjoyed the Doctor’s hatred for Doom, it’s a side we don’t often get to see and it really made their dynamic more interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 13:53:21 GMT
Ok, I will have to admit it. The Crowd was a decent story. Charley and Eight are excellent together in this one. The problem is that this is a little too late for me. It's the last story and by the time I got here I was begging for something that I didn't hate. (And was ready to kill Doom myself if I had to hear her call another character "babe" one more time.) And, man, I never wanted the Doctor to just slap someone as much as I wanted him to slap Doom. So yeah, I loved the fact that he made it clear how much he disliked her throughout this story. One basic thing about this story bothered me. I haven't read or heard any other parts of Doom's story, so maybe this is just me missing something. But I don't get, or like, the idea that she has to find The First Doctor and that none of the others will be able to help her. After all this time, haven't we already established that this is the same man? Clara even got a phone call explaining that. Whatever it is that she needs One to do, Eight should be able to remember and do it as well. From pieces here and there it's more that it has already been (wibbly-wobbly...) the First Doctor who helped her from The Doctor's POV so he can't create a paradox by helping her from an earlier point on her timeline. I'd disagree with Mark that not making this overt makes the project redundant..plenty of great Who has plot holes you could park a bus in..rather the concept, the release strategy and the casting of Doom have, well, doomed it from the start. The woeful dialogue hasn't helped but the Cbeebies level performance from Kemper is atrocious. That this was signed off by the NEW Who production team is baffling.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Sept 24, 2023 16:11:46 GMT
That this was signed off by the NEW Who production team is baffling Was this an RTD-era commission, or a Chibnall-era commission, because C.C. was notoriously hands-off when it came to expanded universe material.
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Post by mark687 on Sept 24, 2023 16:22:57 GMT
That this was signed off by the NEW Who production team is baffling Was this an RTD-era commission, or a Chibnall-era commission, because C.C. was notoriously hands-off when it came to expanded universe material. Can't find out for sure either way Some info says its BBC Studios project while RTD was putting a new team together other stuff its says solely the new team's concept. Regards mark687
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Post by pdt on Sept 26, 2023 9:15:17 GMT
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Post by kipperserver on Sept 26, 2023 10:29:53 GMT
Briggs said "devised by Russell T Davies himself" on the podcast.
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Post by sherlock on Sept 26, 2023 10:32:33 GMT
Briggs said "devised by Russell T Davies himself" on the podcast. Tbf the concept of an assassin with one day to live frantically searching for the Doctor is a good basis for an event; certainly a lot more coherent then TLV was (much as I liked it, I can appreciate it’s a bit of a puzzle to piece together). It’s really just execution that seems to have undermined it all.
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