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Post by Ela on Nov 28, 2016 8:36:56 GMT
I was going to ignore this thread and hope it slid off the first page quickly, but as it isn't, I feel I have to respond. ulyssessarcher , you are certainly entitled to have your views. You are entitled to express your views, as long as you don't engage in things like libel and hate speech, which you have not. That's what freedom of speech is about. This forum accepts you and welcomes you as a member as long as you abide by our forum guidelines. That said, I am entitled to disagree with your views. Like icecreamdf , I disagree with most of your views. I was disturbed when I read that you seem to think that most Americans have forgotten about the Holocaust and 9/11. Maybe that's true in your world, but it's not in mine, and it shouldn't be. We need to remember and maintain awareness of such atrocities so that things like that won't be repeated. So I agree with what icecreamdf said: I don't know any Jews who are going to forget the holocaust in a hurry, and I don't know any New Yorkers who are going to forget 9/11 in a hurry. I don't know what its like for Southern Christians but those two events are part of our heritage. Commenting on another thing icecreamdf posted, I hate the term "PC." That is just a stupid phrase for "not being offensive." It's more than that. I often find that when people talk about being not wanting to be or not being "PC", they're using it as an excuse to not consider some other person's point of view. Not saying that's what you're doing, ulyssessarcher , just putting it out there as food for thought. Sometimes it's helpful to examine one's long-held views to see if there's a chance that one is showing bias. I have to do it, too. I will say that I was personally offended, ulyssessarcher , that you think any woman would have an abortion "just because she cant keep her legs closed." That was a very condescending way to put it. No woman wants an abortion and no woman uses it as a form of birth control. I personally wouldn't want to have one, and always took steps to avoid getting pregnant except when I wanted to. It's worth noting that many who are anti-abortion also want to deny women access to safe birth control. Many who oppose abortion would rather put a woman's life in danger when she may need a therapeutic abortion in order to save her own life. None of us are entitled to make a judgment call in cases like that. And I'm sorry to have to say this, but nowhere in that paragraph about abortion were you "being nice." Global warming is a fact of science, it is not something to be denied or questioned. The scientists who studied it have plenty of evidence. And if you don't think the sea level is rising as a result of global warning, come visit me in Miami Beach sometime when we are having a king tide and the low-lying streets become flooded with sea water. (Thankfully, not my street, yet.) As mrperson stated in this post, I wonder what your motivation was for starting such a thread as this on a forum that is meant be be discussing something we all enjoy: Doctor Who and audio drama. I think politics and religion is better left out of it, for the most part.
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Post by jasonward on Nov 28, 2016 11:51:04 GMT
Denying someone the right to have an opinion, regardless of your own opinion on its validity, is not going to further your cause, at best it will just make people angry, at worst it becomes tyranny. There are some things that just aren't based on opinion. I can say that in my opinion 2+2=5 all I want, but the mathematicians will still tell me I am wrong. Global warming is an issue based on scientific fact, not opinion. Indeed, but if you really did, and I mean, really did believe that 2+2=5, then me telling you "Sorry, but this is one of the few things you don't get to have an opinion on" would not help anyone, it wouldn't help to convince you you were wrong, it wouldn't further my view (however valid) that 2+2=4.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2016 11:59:03 GMT
I think politics and religion is better left out of it, for the most part. I'd agree with that; a lot of people have opinions on religion and politics but believe them to be facts, and then think everybody else should have the same opinion. There will never really be any consensus when discussions become polarised, so why bother polluting a forum for fans of audio dramas with it?
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Nov 28, 2016 15:40:24 GMT
I would love to keep politics out of the forum, I all for that. But, the thread Let's cheer up our American members, made that sort of impossible.
The majority of Americans are very happy, that a criminal was not elected President of the United States of America. Most of us realize we had 2 choices, a criminal or a butt hole, so we chose the butt hole.
If you want to do away with politics on the boards, I am all for it, but do away with all politics, not just the ones you don't agree with. That means we start with religion, it's far to political, and the theories on global warming, which are just that, theories have to go, because a good number of scientists have differing views on that too.
Now, addressing @ela I do not communicate well on the computer, I barely communicate well in person, so i'll apologize for offending you, and try to clarify what I meant. It takes 2 to have sex, there are some who don't like using condoms, that's a choice, some don't like using birth control pills, that's a choice, some don't like using any kind of contraception at all, that's a choice, then it surprises them when they get pregnant, that's not a choice, that's an idiot. Now, this is my opinion, and I don't care who likes it or not, if any woman has 3 abortions, and there was absolutely no medical reason for any of those abortions, then that woman should be neutered, because she does not have the sense to realize what is causing her to get pregnant, and she sure does not need to have an actual child, but she should not be allowed to continue killing them, either. Most women who have an abortion will never have another one, it is a horrible thing to go through both mentally and physically. It leaves a lasting impression on women, and most will come to regret it at one time or another in their life, but it is their life, and I am not going to deny any woman a chance to have what they consider a 'mistake' corrected. They have to live with that, and answer for that, I don't.
Saying a woman should 'keep her legs closed,' was not meant to be offensive, but just a figure of speech that I should have said differently, for that @ela I apologize.
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Post by eldersensorite on Nov 28, 2016 15:50:19 GMT
The majority of Americans are very happy, that a criminal was not elected President of the United States of America. Most of us realize we had 2 choices, a criminal or a butt hole, so we chose the butt hole. Actually, Trump won neither a majority nor more votes than Clinton.
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Post by jasonward on Nov 28, 2016 15:50:24 GMT
and the theories on global warming, which are just that, theories have to go You appear not to have read what I posted about scientific theories, theories and scientific theories are two very different things.
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Post by icecreamdf on Nov 28, 2016 15:54:50 GMT
I would love to keep politics out of the forum, I all for that. But, the thread Let's cheer up our American members, made that sort of impossible. The majority of Americans are very happy, that a criminal was not elected President of the United States of America. Most of us realize we had 2 choices, a criminal or a butt hole, so we chose the butt hole. If you want to do away with politics on the boards, I am all for it, but do away with all politics, not just the ones you don't agree with. That means we start with religion, it's far to political, and the theories on global warming, which are just that, theories have to go, because a good number of scientists have differing views on that too. Now, addressing @ela I do not communicate well on the computer, I barely communicate well in person, so i'll apologize for offending you, and try to clarify what I meant. It takes 2 to have sex, there are some who don't like using condoms, that's a choice, some don't like using birth control pills, that's a choice, some don't like using any kind of contraception at all, that's a choice, then it surprises them when they get pregnant, that's not a choice, that's an idiot. Now, this is my opinion, and I don't care who likes it or not, if any woman has 3 abortions, and there was absolutely no medical reason for any of those abortions, then that woman should be neutered, because she does not have the sense to realize what is causing her to get pregnant, and she sure does not need to have an actual child, but she should not be allowed to continue killing them, either. Most women who have an abortion will never have another one, it is a horrible thing to go through both mentally and physically. It leaves a lasting impression on women, and most will come to regret it at one time or another in their life, but it is their life, and I am not going to deny any woman a chance to have what they consider a 'mistake' corrected. They have to live with that, and answer for that, I don't. Saying a woman should 'keep her legs closed,' was not meant to be offensive, but just a figure of speech that I should have said differently, for that @ela I apologize. Actually, a majority of voters wanted Hillary (who is not a criminal) to be president. Trump just got more electoral votes. Unless you believe his claims that the election was rigged, in which case who knows what anybody voted for. Its not up to you, or the government, to choose what sexual practices people engage in. As you said, most people don't have three abortions. Even if they do, that is their choice. The idea of the government forcing people to be neutered is terrifying, as is the idea of the government controlling what kind of (consensual) sex people have.
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Post by icecreamdf on Nov 28, 2016 15:59:06 GMT
and the theories on global warming, which are just that, theories have to go You appear not to have read what I posted about scientific theories, theories and scientific theories are two very different things. Yeah. If we're not talking about any theories, let's also stop talking about gravity and evolution.
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Post by Ela on Nov 28, 2016 16:22:21 GMT
Thanks, ulyssessarcher, for your apology on the way you phrased the "keeping her legs" closed remark. But, sorry, your further remarks regarding abortion and how women may get pregnant are pure nonsense. Very few women have had "3 abortions." That hypothetical woman with "3 abortions" is just a straw man. Or a straw woman. The man bears some responsibility for getting a woman pregnant and is more often the one who objects to birth control methods such as condoms. And all birth control methods have a certain percentage of failure rate, no matter how well the birth control is supposed to work. Further, I sincerely hope that we will never engage in forced sterilization. You're putting the entire blame on the woman in why she may have an unwanted pregnancy. It doesn't work that way, sir. No woman wants to have an abortion. Sometimes it is necessary. Many abortions occur spontaneously, as well, which some legislators who want to criminalize miscarriages don't seem to realize. Others have responded to your other claims, but I will add this: Hillary has won over 2 million more popular votes than Trump. The outdated electoral college system awarded him the win because states with a very low population density carry more weight than those that are densely populated. And Hillary has never been found guilty of any crimes, in spite of the Right's many attempts to do so. I haven't even mentioned your views on same-sex marriage, which I also disagree with. You may think that marriage needs to be between one man and one women, but marriage and similar bonding ceremonies existed before the Christian religion ever did. It does your marriage no harm whatsoever to give a gay couple the right to marry and enjoy the benefits of marriage.
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Post by coffeeaddict on Nov 28, 2016 16:31:24 GMT
Saying a woman should 'keep her legs closed,' was not meant to be offensive, but just a figure of speech that I should have said differently, for that @ela I apologize. A judge here in Canada had one of his rulings tossed out in a rape case for telling the victim she should have kept her legs closed.
Some "figures of speech" should not be vocalized as there is no context in which they are appropriate.
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Post by Ela on Nov 28, 2016 16:39:46 GMT
Saying a woman should 'keep her legs closed,' was not meant to be offensive, but just a figure of speech that I should have said differently, for that @ela I apologize. A judge here in Canada had one of his rulings tossed out in a rape case for telling the victim she should have kept her legs closed.
Some "figures of speech" should not be vocalized as there is no context in which they are appropriate.
I remember reading about that case, coffeeaddict.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Nov 28, 2016 16:43:48 GMT
We have all fallen for the troll/magicians trick.
We are no longer talking about...
The stuff we are here to talk about.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Nov 28, 2016 17:34:44 GMT
We have all fallen for the troll/magicians trick. We are no longer talking about... The stuff we are here to talk about. Exactly, like why did the War Chief change his name to The Master mwahahahahahahahaha
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Post by icecreamdf on Nov 28, 2016 18:31:04 GMT
We have all fallen for the troll/magicians trick. We are no longer talking about... The stuff we are here to talk about. Exactly, like why did the War Chief change his name to The Master mwahahahahahahahaha War Chief was never a name. It was a profession. Obviously the Master wanted to keep things professional in the work place. Its the same reason that nobody referred to the War Lord as Davros.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Nov 28, 2016 18:59:21 GMT
Surely... the great healer...
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Post by jasonward on Nov 28, 2016 22:41:01 GMT
The majority of Americans are very happy, that a criminal was not elected President of the United States of America. Most of us realize we had 2 choices, a criminal or a butt hole, so we chose the butt hole. Hilary is not a criminal, but Trump doesn't mind consorting with them or it would appear appointing them to key roles. From a BBC article
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Post by coffeeaddict on Nov 28, 2016 23:42:55 GMT
The majority of Americans are very happy, that a criminal was not elected President of the United States of America. Most of us realize we had 2 choices, a criminal or a butt hole, so we chose the butt hole. Hilary is not a criminal, but Trump doesn't mind consorting with them or it would appear appointing them to key roles. From a BBC articleNot to mention that one needs to have been tried and convicted of a crime in order to be labeled a criminal. Being under suspicion of mishandling information is a world away from having been convicted of that charge.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 1:22:14 GMT
We have all fallen for the troll/magicians trick. We are no longer talking about... The stuff we are here to talk about. Credit us for not hitting Godwin's Law yet: And I suggest that the conversation is taken into Messages if there's going to be any talk about the American presidential debate. Again. For the nth time.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Nov 29, 2016 11:28:14 GMT
Exactly, like why did the War Chief change his name to The Master mwahahahahahahahaha War Chief was never a name. It was a profession. Obviously the Master wanted to keep things professional in the work place. Its the same reason that nobody referred to the War Lord as Davros. Of Course its so simple
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Post by icecreamdf on Nov 29, 2016 13:39:09 GMT
War Chief was never a name. It was a profession. Obviously the Master wanted to keep things professional in the work place. Its the same reason that nobody referred to the War Lord as Davros. Of Course its so simple The real question is why he changed his name from The Monk to The Master.
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