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Post by ulyssessarcher on Dec 2, 2016 22:41:00 GMT
See there, I learned something. I had no idea that illegal immigrants paid anything into the system, because around here, they don't. There is a big employer around here, that hires illegal immigrants, and they pay them under the table, and I'm willing to bet that they aren't the only company that does that, but when you are big enough, and have enough money, you can get away with just about anything. The employers who pay under the table are in the vast minority because when caught, the penalties are even more severe. The bigger the footprint a company has, the more regulation they have to deal with. I would not rely on anecdotal evidence because that literally only takes you so far. It only offers one a very small piece of the image if you will and not the whole picture. I'm working from memory but I think the number paying into social security is like 12% from illegal immigrants. And to say the ones getting paid under the table don't contribute isn't accurate. If they purchase anything in the local community they are paying sales tax. Long story short, the debate over illegal immigration is pretty nuanced has a lot of moving pieces. with your argument. Isn't it likely that for every job lost by an illegal immigrant that either a legal immigrant or a naturalized citizen would take over that job?
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 2, 2016 22:47:37 GMT
The employers who pay under the table are in the vast minority because when caught, the penalties are even more severe. The bigger the footprint a company has, the more regulation they have to deal with. I would not rely on anecdotal evidence because that literally only takes you so far. It only offers one a very small piece of the image if you will and not the whole picture. I'm working from memory but I think the number paying into social security is like 12% from illegal immigrants. And to say the ones getting paid under the table don't contribute isn't accurate. If they purchase anything in the local community they are paying sales tax. Long story short, the debate over illegal immigration is pretty nuanced has a lot of moving pieces. with your argument. Isn't it likely that for every job lost by an illegal immigrant that either a legal immigrant or a naturalized citizen would take over that job? Are there enough US & naturalized citizens there to take over every job currently held by someone working here illegally? Every study I see says no there isn't.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Dec 2, 2016 23:09:31 GMT
with your argument. Isn't it likely that for every job lost by an illegal immigrant that either a legal immigrant or a naturalized citizen would take over that job? Are there enough US & naturalized citizens there to take over every job currently held by someone working here illegally? Every study I see says no there isn't. ok, so if there are not enough citizens for the jobs, wouldn't there be a bidding war for employee's. Wouldn't that cause an increase in salary for those jobs? Wouldn't those folks working for minimum wage at mcdonalds and fast food places have opportunity's to get a better paying job with better benefits? Thus since those jobs would be paying more, the amount paid in to SS would increase. Am I wrong in my thinking?
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 2, 2016 23:10:40 GMT
Let me ask you this. How does illegal immigration directly effect you? I understand from reading this thread that you are employed. Is there a job that you have gone out for or a promotion that you have sought that has instead gone to someone working in this country illegally? This big business that you say pays people under the table, are those jobs something that you would want to do? Are those jobs something that anyone you know would want to do?
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Post by mrperson on Dec 2, 2016 23:12:31 GMT
FYI, there's www.debatepolitics.com That's a large political debate site. Reasonable moderation, I think. Lots of users. Lots of morons, but then, that's life. Generally focused on US politics, but there are sub-forums for other areas of the world. And plenty of non-political sub-forums as well. I even managed to point one person to Big Finish who hadn't heard of them, but who had posted a still from that part of whatever new series episode it was that had a CGI image of all the Doctors to date lined up under some thread about favorite TV show........
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 2, 2016 23:25:50 GMT
Are there enough US & naturalized citizens there to take over every job currently held by someone working here illegally? Every study I see says no there isn't. ok, so if there are not enough citizens for the jobs, wouldn't there be a bidding war for employee's. Wouldn't that cause an increase in salary for those jobs? Wouldn't those folks working for minimum wage at mcdonalds and fast food places have opportunity's to get a better paying job with better benefits? Thus since those jobs would be paying more, the amount paid in to SS would increase. Am I wrong in my thinking? Well, I don't know how the question you are asking really fits into the income inequality aspect of the labor debate. Several posts in I guess I'm saying a couple of things. The debate of illegal immigration isn't as black & white as one political party & conservative media would have people believe. People here working without legal status are A) let's just be clear, working and B) paying into a system they have great difficulty collecting from. The other thing I'm saying is with unemployment at 4.6%, a nine year low, and bearing in mind that 5% is generally considered Full Employment, and again bearing in mind that illegal immigration has been effectively at zero for the past couple of years, people here working illegally really isn't that huge a deal. It certainly isn't something we need to try and build a multi-billion border wall over and we certainly don't need some multi-billion dollar force to go round up people and break up families. Would I rather everyone here was nice & legal with proper papers? Yes but our government can fix that with a pathway to citizenship.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Dec 2, 2016 23:26:45 GMT
Let me ask you this. How does illegal immigration directly effect you? I understand from reading this thread that you are employed. Is there a job that you have gone out for or a promotion that you have sought that has instead gone to someone working in this country illegally? This big business that you say pays people under the table, are those jobs something that you would want to do? Are those jobs something that anyone you know would want to do? So, I guess I am right, and that if we deported every illegal immigrant in this country, then wages would increase pretty much, across the board, including my own salary, that does effect me. Health insurance rates would go down, hopefully property taxes would go down, we would have less drivers on the road, so less money would need to be spent on infrastructure, there would be more houses/apartments for rent so the price on those would decrease. How does illegal immigration Not effect directly effect me?
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 2, 2016 23:30:40 GMT
So you don't answer a single one of the direct questions I've asked and that somehow proves you are right? That is a neat trick.
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Post by jasonward on Dec 3, 2016 1:39:39 GMT
First, I'm not Catholic, Catholic does not equal Christian, just as Baptist, Methodist, or any other denomination does not equal Christian. I don't believe in the Pope, and have absolutely no use for the title or those that proceded him. I'm a Christian, I am just a member of a Cumberland Presbyterian Church. After Christian, you could call me a Protestant. So the oldest recorded marriage, according to your post would be Adam and Eve, though only God would have performed the ceremony, so the next would be Cain and his wife, if you discount those then we have Noah, and others, but let's just jump ahead to Abram and Sarai, who would later be known as Abraham and Sarah. Because you posted Hebrew law, it is the oldest actual recorded records of marriage, in the same book that I use, how a bout that. Most scholars date that Abraham lived around 1800 BC. I trace the roots of Christianity all the way back to Adam, which predates Eve, for how long, we don't know. How long were Adam and Eve married, we don't know, could have been millions of years, no records were kept of the number of years, until man could die, and that was after the apple incident. So basically the Bible is the oldest known record of marriage that you know of, unless you have better info that what you posted above. Because just starting with Abraham and Sarah, they were married around the year 1800 BCE, because Abram was born as early as 1875 BC according to some scholars. Right... so.... yeah... err... You appear to believe that the bible story of genesis is literal truth. Not only do I not believe that, I don't see how it's even possible to have a sensible conversation about history, philosophy, physics and much more besides when that conversation is with someone that believes genesis is the literal truth, whilst you perhaps believe the same of me, as far as I'm concerned you believe in a fantasy world impermeable to logic and it's pointless to engage you further in conversation. I was mostly enjoying this thread till now, but I'm out, no more.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Dec 3, 2016 2:16:27 GMT
So you don't answer a single one of the direct questions I've asked and that somehow proves you are right? That is a neat trick. I answered your question about how illegal immigration directly effects me, and that pretty much renders the rest of your questions moot, doesn't it? This is what you asked. Let me ask you this. How does illegal immigration directly effect you? I understand from reading this thread that you are employed. Is there a job that you have gone out for or a promotion that you have sought that has instead gone to someone working in this country illegally? This big business that you say pays people under the table, are those jobs something that you would want to do? Are those jobs something that anyone you know would want to do? Ill answer all of them though, I have told you how illegal immigration directly effects me. I have not gone out for a job held by an illegal immigrant. Those jobs held by illegal immigrants being paid under the table are something I am not interested in doing. And yes, I know many folks who would be willing to take the place of illegal immigrants, who have illegally bought social security numbers, and are currently employed in this country illegally. I also know that illegal immigrants have brought down wages for nearly every American citizen in a great deal of the country. By artificially inflating the workforce, and by being willing to work for less money than US citizens are willing to do the same job for. So ill pose the first part of the question to you. How does illegal immigration directly effect you? As far as it being a complex issue, it's really not. It's pretty cut and dried. Illegal immigration has cost hard working folks a lot of money over the years. That's pretty simple.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Dec 3, 2016 2:23:21 GMT
First, I'm not Catholic, Catholic does not equal Christian, just as Baptist, Methodist, or any other denomination does not equal Christian. I don't believe in the Pope, and have absolutely no use for the title or those that proceded him. I'm a Christian, I am just a member of a Cumberland Presbyterian Church. After Christian, you could call me a Protestant. So the oldest recorded marriage, according to your post would be Adam and Eve, though only God would have performed the ceremony, so the next would be Cain and his wife, if you discount those then we have Noah, and others, but let's just jump ahead to Abram and Sarai, who would later be known as Abraham and Sarah. Because you posted Hebrew law, it is the oldest actual recorded records of marriage, in the same book that I use, how a bout that. Most scholars date that Abraham lived around 1800 BC. I trace the roots of Christianity all the way back to Adam, which predates Eve, for how long, we don't know. How long were Adam and Eve married, we don't know, could have been millions of years, no records were kept of the number of years, until man could die, and that was after the apple incident. So basically the Bible is the oldest known record of marriage that you know of, unless you have better info that what you posted above. Because just starting with Abraham and Sarah, they were married around the year 1800 BCE, because Abram was born as early as 1875 BC according to some scholars. Right... so.... yeah... err... You appear to believe that the bible story of genesis is literal truth. Not only do I not believe that, I don't see how it's even possible to have a sensible conversation about history, philosophy, physics and much more besides when that conversation is with someone that believes genesis is the literal truth, whilst you perhaps believe the same of me, as far as I'm concerned you believe in a fantasy world impermeable to logic and it's pointless to engage you further in conversation. I was mostly enjoying this thread till now, but I'm out, no more. I do take the Bible story of Genesis at literal truth, though I don't pretend to understand what a day is to God. But, I appreciate you basically calling me a diluted fool. And I appreciate the fact that you cant produce a single reference to a marriage before even Abraham, who is pretty well known in Jewish circles, but perhaps you think they are diluted fools also.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Dec 3, 2016 3:08:36 GMT
with your argument. Isn't it likely that for every job lost by an illegal immigrant that either a legal immigrant or a naturalized citizen would take over that job? Are there enough US & naturalized citizens there to take over every job currently held by someone working here illegally? Every study I see says no there isn't. With 95 million unemployed Americans, I believe we could handle losing those here illegally. www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/what-are-95-million-americans-doing-out-of-the-labor-force/ar-AAl4gN7?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhpLet's just say only 25 percent of those folks actually want a job, I believe that would just about cover it, wouldn't it? On a side note, it's wonderful how less than 5 percent of Americans are recorded as unemployed, it does not include those whose benefits have run out, those who have quit looking, and those who have found other ways to support themselves, or let others support them.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 3, 2016 4:01:06 GMT
So you don't answer a single one of the direct questions I've asked and that somehow proves you are right? That is a neat trick. I answered your question about how illegal immigration directly effects me, and that pretty much renders the rest of your questions moot, doesn't it? This is what you asked. Let me ask you this. How does illegal immigration directly effect you? I understand from reading this thread that you are employed. Is there a job that you have gone out for or a promotion that you have sought that has instead gone to someone working in this country illegally? This big business that you say pays people under the table, are those jobs something that you would want to do? Are those jobs something that anyone you know would want to do? Ill answer all of them though, I have told you how illegal immigration directly effects me. I have not gone out for a job held by an illegal immigrant. Those jobs held by illegal immigrants being paid under the table are something I am not interested in doing. And yes, I know many folks who would be willing to take the place of illegal immigrants, who have illegally bought social security numbers, and are currently employed in this country illegally. I also know that illegal immigrants have brought down wages for nearly every American citizen in a great deal of the country. By artificially inflating the workforce, and by being willing to work for less money than US citizens are willing to do the same job for. So ill pose the first part of the question to you. How does illegal immigration directly effect you? As far as it being a complex issue, it's really not. It's pretty cut and dried. Illegal immigration has cost hard working folks a lot of money over the years. That's pretty simple. You have not pointed to anything that in any way substantiates your claims. You know, I sometimes wish I could live a life where I was sure of everything. Where everything is black & white. It seems so, I don't know, simple. And that is not a slam. Instead I'm full of doubts because for the most part, I look around at the world and all ll I see are nuances and shadow. So I read. I do research. I try to find out more. I don't think this makes me better than anyone else, it just means I'm always looked to push the boundaries of what I know & understand. And I talk to people with different viewpoints and ideas. I want to understand how & why they look at things the way they do. I want an open discussion. I don't mind being challenged. I want to be pushed because I know that I don't know everything. And I know that sometimes I don't know shit. The only thing I expect is an honest exchange. I wasn't looking or expecting to for you to change your mind. I just hoped that you would walk away knowing there are other points of views out there and they have validity as well. I know reality is more than unemployment or immigration statistics or studies that look at the tax ramifications of people paying into a system they will never collect from but it also more than what you have heard about the hiring practices of some big company that you won't name and the jobs friends of yours may or may not want to have that may or may not be currently held by someone here illegally. And that was a freaking mouthful. The reality, real life, exists in the middle and it is in that middle where things gain complexity and nuance. So for you to finish things off saying it is all pretty cut & dried and simple means I completely and totally failed in opening your mind at all. All of that is my long winded way of saying I've wasted everybody's time. I wasted yours because you were never going to be open to any other point of view because it is pretty clear that is the way you are wired. I wasted my time because I thought for a little while you were actually interested in discussing things since that is the way I am wired. Finally I wasted the time of anyone else who was silly enough to keep on reading this thread. Unless those people like watching slow motion train wrecks. To all of those people, I am sorry. So I give you the last word, I won't be responding to anything else in this thread. Done. Peace and I will try to be better next time.
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Post by Timelord007 on Dec 3, 2016 10:01:42 GMT
Remember when i said the two topics one should never argue about are religion or politics, well.....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2016 10:40:08 GMT
Remember when i said the two topics one should never argue about are religion or politics, well..... Light the blue touch paper and stand well back? There's nothing constructive left to say, I think this thread has well and truly burnt itself out.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2016 20:26:45 GMT
When the OP started this thread with the title 'May I speak my mind?' It's a pity the first answer wasn't NO, and that was the end of it!
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Dec 3, 2016 22:23:49 GMT
4 weeks ago today. Some folks will basically consider that a month. Though in reality, it will be a month on the 5th. Still it's been the longest 4 weeks of my life.
I have to apologize to everyone, for I have just been trying to distract myself, anyway I can for the last 4 weeks. I have been buying BF cd's like they were all limited editions, I have been watching X-files, Big Bang, the Middle, and series 9 on dvd, while staying away from Tom Baker, both on audio, and on dvd. All because of 4 weeks ago today.
I have put off deciding what should be done with the presents, already bought, out in the garage. And thankfully have been back to work for the last 3 weeks, and that has provided me some much needed relief and distraction.
I want to thank everyone on here, for helping me to cope with what has been the hardest time in my life. Even though you didn't know you were helping, you see, I cant have folks trying to be themselves while feeling sympathy, and I don't really go for sympathy in my life. Folks always say, 'if you need anything', or 'if there's anything I can do', well, you folks helped more than the folks who told me things like that for the last 4 weeks.
I sure hope I didn't offend anyone, I was just speaking my peace, and telling you what I think, and trying to learn and mostly, trying to be distracted while I am here, at home. For everywhere I look, I cant escape what happened 4 weeks ago, today. I cant go downstairs, I cant go to the garage, I cant go in the front yard, for any amount of time, for the swingset, that we just got up this summer, is out there.
I have been trying to avoid going insane, and yall helped me with that, more than you will ever know, and I sure do appreciate that, you helped distract me, without really insulting, or getting angry(least I hope no one got angry), or name calling, or any really negative stuff going on...It was unfair of me, and for that I apologize. I really do. But the time I needed, will probably never end, and yall helped me pass some of the hardest of it.
My name is Thomas Hurley, I have 4 kids, and 3 grandkids. I pray every night for that family, that family that shrunk 4 weeks ago today. Up until then, I had 4 grandkids, we lost our oldest and only grandson Jayden, 4 weeks ago today.
For the entire week following that, I would sit outside, at the swingset, smoking cigarettes and pushing an empty swing. I was so miserable, I was ready to die, and I was wishing I would. But life had to go on, and it wouldn't have been fair to everyone else in my life just to lay down and die, I had to get up and get busy, and I had to try to get distracted from it. I had to try to find a few minutes everyday not to think about what happened 4 weeks ago today.
I had written a huge post about Jayden Cody Bell, but I never could bring myself to post it, it was more for my benefit I think, than for anything else. I sure do miss him, It hurts me to know that his little sister will not even remember him, she turned 7 months old, yesterday. We don't know what happened. They tell me it could be up to 90 days, before they get the full results of the autopsy. And the detective told me he once had one that was held up for over a year. The not knowing, is hard, not knowing what happened to him, how he could go from no fever at 630 to a temperature of over 107 by 930.
I do blame myself, and I have and I always will, you see, I knew that we, me and my wife, were the only chance the boy ever had to make it in this world, because his parents were divorced, and they only used Jayden as a pawn in their hatred of each other. I let him down, and ill always feel like I let him down. But, now at least, I don't want to kill myself anymore, I cant say I'm looking forward to life, but I don't really want to die anymore, so that's a good thing I guess.
Baseball season will start in Spring, and that will be hard for me, because he loved watching baseball with me, and going to games in Greeneville. I haven't watched Tom Baker because I had just introduced Jayden to the 4th doctor, and we had watched Seeds of Doom, and Hand of fear, and had planned to watch another one 4 weeks ago, today.
I know it's time to move on, and I think I have started, Me and my wife went and got a small tree today, to put of for Christmas, and we hung up the stockings, including Jayden's, it's an ewok stocking from Star Wars, he picked it out last year.
Life is hard, and sometimes it kicks you hard, and you never see it coming. Ive had to go to Gonalier where we took Jayden the day before, 4 weeks ago, today, we had to go to Ingles, the local supermarket, where Jayden went with us the same day. Ive had to try to do the things I have gotten used to doing with Jayden, and some of the hardest things I wont do till spring, cause I will have to mow the yard, and he loved riding the mower with me.
Anyway, if you have kids, give em an extra kiss tonight. If you have grandkids, do the same. We are not promised the next breath, much less tomorrow,
Jayden Cody Bell was 5 years old, and in Kindergarten at Hal Henard in Greeneville. He passed away, suddenly, 4 weeks ago, today.
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Post by shutupbanks on Dec 3, 2016 22:56:34 GMT
4 weeks ago today. Some folks will basically consider that a month. Though in reality, it will be a month on the 5th. Still it's been the longest 4 weeks of my life. I have to apologize to everyone, for I have just been trying to distract myself, anyway I can for the last 4 weeks. I have been buying BF cd's like they were all limited editions, I have been watching X-files, Big Bang, the Middle, and series 9 on dvd, while staying away from Tom Baker, both on audio, and on dvd. All because of 4 weeks ago today. I have put off deciding what should be done with the presents, already bought, out in the garage. And thankfully have been back to work for the last 3 weeks, and that has provided me some much needed relief and distraction. I want to thank everyone on here, for helping me to cope with what has been the hardest time in my life. Even though you didn't know you were helping, you see, I cant have folks trying to be themselves while feeling sympathy, and I don't really go for sympathy in my life. Folks always say, 'if you need anything', or 'if there's anything I can do', well, you folks helped more than the folks who told me things like that for the last 4 weeks. I sure hope I didn't offend anyone, I was just speaking my peace, and telling you what I think, and trying to learn and mostly, trying to be distracted while I am here, at home. For everywhere I look, I cant escape what happened 4 weeks ago, today. I cant go downstairs, I cant go to the garage, I cant go in the front yard, for any amount of time, for the swingset, that we just got up this summer, is out there. I have been trying to avoid going insane, and yall helped me with that, more than you will ever know, and I sure do appreciate that, you helped distract me, without really insulting, or getting angry(least I hope no one got angry), or name calling, or any really negative stuff going on...It was unfair of me, and for that I apologize. I really do. But the time I needed, will probably never end, and yall helped me pass some of the hardest of it. My name is Thomas Hurley, I have 4 kids, and 3 grandkids. I pray every night for that family, that family that shrunk 4 weeks ago today. Up until then, I had 4 grandkids, we lost our oldest and only grandson Jayden, 4 weeks ago today. For the entire week following that, I would sit outside, at the swingset, smoking cigarettes and pushing an empty swing. I was so miserable, I was ready to die, and I was wishing I would. But life had to go on, and it wouldn't have been fair to everyone else in my life just to lay down and die, I had to get up and get busy, and I had to try to get distracted from it. I had to try to find a few minutes everyday not to think about what happened 4 weeks ago today. I had written a huge post about Jayden Cody Bell, but I never could bring myself to post it, it was more for my benefit I think, than for anything else. I sure do miss him, It hurts me to know that his little sister will not even remember him, she turned 7 months old, yesterday. We don't know what happened. They tell me it could be up to 90 days, before they get the full results of the autopsy. And the detective told me he once had one that was held up for over a year. The not knowing, is hard, not knowing what happened to him, how he could go from no fever at 630 to a temperature of over 107 by 930. I do blame myself, and I have and I always will, you see, I knew that we, me and my wife, were the only chance the boy ever had to make it in this world, because his parents were divorced, and they only used Jayden as a pawn in their hatred of each other. I let him down, and ill always feel like I let him down. But, now at least, I don't want to kill myself anymore, I cant say I'm looking forward to life, but I don't really want to die anymore, so that's a good thing I guess. Baseball season will start in Spring, and that will be hard for me, because he loved watching baseball with me, and going to games in Greeneville. I haven't watched Tom Baker because I had just introduced Jayden to the 4th doctor, and we had watched Seeds of Doom, and Hand of fear, and had planned to watch another one 4 weeks ago, today. I know it's time to move on, and I think I have started, Me and my wife went and got a small tree today, to put of for Christmas, and we hung up the stockings, including Jayden's, it's an ewok stocking from Star Wars, he picked it out last year. Life is hard, and sometimes it kicks you hard, and you never see it coming. Ive had to go to Gonalier where we took Jayden the day before, 4 weeks ago, today, we had to go to Ingles, the local supermarket, where Jayden went with us the same day. Ive had to try to do the things I have gotten used to doing with Jayden, and some of the hardest things I wont do till spring, cause I will have to mow the yard, and he loved riding the mower with me. Anyway, if you have kids, give em an extra kiss tonight. If you have grandkids, do the same. We are not promised the next breath, much less tomorrow, Jayden Cody Bell was 5 years old, and in Kindergarten at Hal Henard in Greeneville. He passed away, suddenly, 4 weeks ago, today. I've stayed away from commenting on this thread because I don't agree with a lot of what you were saying here and I knew that it would be pointless engaging with you in an effort to change your mind. But I can only offer my condolences to you at a time that must be utterly horrible for you and yours. Losing a grandchild must be one of the most terrible things that can happen to a person and I can't imagine what you and your family are going through. Thinking of you and wishing you all the best at this saddest time. Ian
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2016 23:57:31 GMT
When the OP started this thread with the title 'May I speak my mind?' It's a pity the first answer wasn't NO, and that was the end of it! Others are allowed to speak their mind as well. That's the whole point of being equal, everyone gets a say. 4 weeks ago today. Some folks will basically consider that a month. Though in reality, it will be a month on the 5th. Still it's been the longest 4 weeks of my life. [...] Jayden Cody Bell was 5 years old, and in Kindergarten at Hal Henard in Greeneville. He passed away, suddenly, 4 weeks ago, today. It's not fair. I'm so sorry, Thomas, no one should have to outlive their own grandchildren. I can't even begin to express-- I just can't. It's good that you're slowly healing and that this place has helped a bit over this last while. There's nothing more I can really say at the moment. Jayden would have wanted you to live, to be happy and I think that's worth keeping in mind over this next bit. Jayden would have wanted you to be happy in your life. It will just take time.
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Post by icecreamdf on Dec 4, 2016 0:00:16 GMT
I'm very sorry to hear about your loss. Losing a family member, especially a child is never easy. If my disagreeing with you helped you at all then I am glad, and if it made things more difficult than I am sorry.
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