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Post by ulyssessarcher on Dec 2, 2016 7:53:32 GMT
The fantasy of it. Being able to travel through time. An ancient race who have appointed themselves overlords of time and space, because they believe themselves to be virtually immortal, all kinds of things resonate with me about doctor who. I was hooked in the 70's when Tom Baker was showing up on the local PBS station. I love that he strives to make everyone, human and alien, at least safe, if not happy So, what do you think about Captain Jack, John Barrowman, Vastra and Jenny, Russel Davies, and John Nathan Turner? The show has many openly gay people behind the scenes (Barrowman is married to a man) and has openly gay characters in the show. Jack comes from a society where everyone is bisexual and Jenny and Vastra are married. The show clearly depicts homosexuality and gay marriage as completely normal and acceptable. You aren't telling me anything I don't already know there. I don't have a problem with anyone, cept for criminals. I don't think being a homosexual is even a sin. But, understand this, I think sex of any kind, even between a married couple, that is just for fun, and not intended to produce offspring, God considers a sin. That is basically what the Bible says. Don't get me wrong, I sin every day, many times a day, and I have sex with my wife, and we aint having anymore kids, it aint possible. so I'm not casting stones, I'm just saying what I think God judges. One thing in my life that I try not to be is a hypocrite. Every faith in the world has plenty of those. I don't understand all of the Bible, but I have found out, that the answer to most questions is in there, but they aint always easy to find, and far to many people just take a verse here and there and try to prove their point, and then ignore the rest of it. Now a serious question for you, can you please direct me to the earliest recorded marriage.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Dec 2, 2016 8:26:55 GMT
My wife never worked, cause I wouldn't allow it, she had a much harder job than I did, she raised 4 kids, I just paid the bills... I treat a woman like a lady, and my lady like a queen. Don't those two sentences kind of contradict eachother. If you treat "your lady" like a queen, then surely you don't decide what she is or isn't allowed to do. A queen would work if she wanted to work, and you would be the one to raise the kids if she wanted you to. I'm not saying that your wife isn't happy with the arrangement. I'm just saying that it is a bit odd that you can tell her that she isn't allowed to do something. Well, since you asked. Genesis 3:17Then to Adam He said, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat from it'; Cursed is the ground because of you; In toil you will eat of it All the days of your life. 18"Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you; And you will eat the plants of the field; 19By the sweat of your face You will eat bread, Till you return to the ground, Because from it you were taken; For you are dust, And to dust you shall return."… 1 Peter 3:5For this is how the holy women of the past adorned themselves. They put their hope in God and were subject to their husbands, 6just as Sarah obeyed Abraham and called him lord. You are her children if you do what is right and refuse to quiver in fear. 7Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as a delicate vessel, and with honor as fellow heirs of the gracious gift of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered.… When a woman marries a man, it's the man's job to provide, and the woman's job to raise the kids. Sorry folks, that's what the Book says, and I believe it, and I was asked. Any more questions?
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Post by jasonward on Dec 2, 2016 11:57:26 GMT
My wife never worked, cause I wouldn't allow it, she had a much harder job than I did, she raised 4 kids, I just paid the bills... I treat a woman like a lady, and my lady like a queen. Don't those two sentences kind of contradict eachother. If you treat "your lady" like a queen, then surely you don't decide what she is or isn't allowed to do. A queen would work if she wanted to work, and you would be the one to raise the kids if she wanted you to. I'm not saying that your wife isn't happy with the arrangement. I'm just saying that it is a bit odd that you can tell her that she isn't allowed to do something. It's not the contradiction that jumps out at me, its the forcing someone to work much harder than yourself that strikes me as odd, and linking that directly to the fact that person being forced is a woman.
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Post by jasonward on Dec 2, 2016 12:21:51 GMT
Now a serious question for you, can you please direct me to the earliest recorded marriage. Marriages are recorded in Greek and Roman history before Christianity existed. Ancient Hebrew law, which again pre-dates Christianity required a man to become the husband of a deceased brother's widow. The Catholic Church first defined marriage as a sacrament in 1215. There are 4 popes that have been married before that date Saint Peter (Simon Peter) Pope Hormisdas Pope Adrian II Pope John XVII Chuang Tzu (aka Zhuang Zhou) a Toaist philosopher who died in 287BC was married. Ancient Egyptian culture had marriage (the culture that is widely accepted as having invented writing) and surviving papyri from those times record both marriages and divorces. Ramses II (died 1213BC) was married. I could go on, but whats the point, marriage not only predates Christianity it is practised in societies that have had little to no influence from the Christian church and is widely documented as such in both cases.
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Post by jasonward on Dec 2, 2016 12:33:59 GMT
Yes, why have you not responded to anything I've said? The closest you come is to repeat your claim that Climate Change is an everyday theory, but not to reply to what I said in reply, and then to ask me random question about an incident I know little about.
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Post by icecreamdf on Dec 2, 2016 13:50:17 GMT
Don't those two sentences kind of contradict eachother. If you treat "your lady" like a queen, then surely you don't decide what she is or isn't allowed to do. A queen would work if she wanted to work, and you would be the one to raise the kids if she wanted you to. I'm not saying that your wife isn't happy with the arrangement. I'm just saying that it is a bit odd that you can tell her that she isn't allowed to do something. When a woman marries a man, it's the man's job to provide, and the woman's job to raise the kids. Sorry folks, that's what the Book says, and I believe it, and I was asked. Any more questions? I have a lot of questions there. What if a woman wants to be the one to provide and a man wants to be the one to raise the kids? Or what if both parents want to work together to provide and to raise the kids? Or, if you "won't allow" your wife to work, does that mena that you are the boss of your marriage? What would you do if she really wanted to be the provider, or if she was able to earn a lot more money than you?
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Post by coffeeaddict on Dec 2, 2016 14:33:52 GMT
When a woman marries a man, it's the man's job to provide, and the woman's job to raise the kids. Sorry folks, that's what the Book says, and I believe it, and I was asked. Any more questions? I have a lot of questions there. What if a woman wants to be the one to provide and a man wants to be the one to raise the kids? Or what if both parents want to work together to provide and to raise the kids? Or, if you "won't allow" your wife to work, does that mena that you are the boss of your marriage? What would you do if she really wanted to be the provider, or if she was able to earn a lot more money than you? As a life long Christian I can safely say that I have never been part of a church that believes that women can't hold a job and must stay home to raise the family. I can honestly say that even when I was attending a strong conservative church (where women were not allowed to hold ministry positions) they had no issues with women having jobs. Not once in my life have I heard someone claim it isn't Biblical for a woman to hold a job. The application of Old Testament teaching to New testament principles is poor theology at best. The death and resurrection of Jesus had the end result of fulfilling the Old Testament law, to continue applying it renders the crucifixion null.
That is the last I will say of a religious nature in this thread.
Personally I don't feel this forum is the place for religious discussion - private messages are fine for such talk, but religion as with politics more often than not leads to argument, not peaceful debate and none of us wants this board to become a place where people do not feel welcome. (I say this as a generalization, not a statement directed towards anyone.)
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Dec 2, 2016 15:36:54 GMT
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 2, 2016 19:51:03 GMT
Immigration. You do know that illegal immigration is effectively at zero, right? That the people going back to Mexico equals out the people coming into this country. You also know that programs like social security would collapse if we deported everyone here illegally, right? And I ask these questions not to be confrontational but because I listen to Fox News a lot and these are things that they chose not to tell their viewers. I will be the first to admit, that I am not near the brightest crayon in the box, so please educate me, as to how, if every illegal alien in this country now, was deported, that would collapse social security. Thanks. In order for a person here illegally to be paid they need a social security number. Since they are here illegally they need to purchase one through a black market. Thus you have people paying social security taxes, payroll taxes,everything that they take out of your & my check except the difference is since they are here illegally they are not able to collect on what they put in. Even though it is a dummy number, those funds still get paid into. I used to have the Harvard study that laid out the numbers on my old computer but that one died, so I can't link to it. Sorry.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Dec 2, 2016 21:25:51 GMT
Don't those two sentences kind of contradict eachother. If you treat "your lady" like a queen, then surely you don't decide what she is or isn't allowed to do. A queen would work if she wanted to work, and you would be the one to raise the kids if she wanted you to. I'm not saying that your wife isn't happy with the arrangement. I'm just saying that it is a bit odd that you can tell her that she isn't allowed to do something. It's not the contradiction that jumps out at me, its the forcing someone to work much harder than yourself that strikes me as odd, and linking that directly to the fact that person being forced is a woman. Being forced to work, is what you call it. and you can. But, she did what she wanted to do. She wanted a big family, she wanted to raise that family, she wanted to stay at home, and be able to take the kids to school, and go to all the pta meetings, and make sure they had everything they needed when it came to their betterment as students and as people. I gave her the ability to do that. She never had to earn a living, yet she has about everything she ever wanted. She has the house she wanted, she drives the mustang she wanted, she has the pets she wanted, And she will be the first to tell you, (to paraphrase the late great Jerry Clower, she don't want you messin with the deal she got.) I found a girl of 17, when I was only 17, we wanted the same things, and we didn't mind working for those things. Now we reap the benefits of that work. Not every woman wants to work, and my woman didn't have to.
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Post by jasonward on Dec 2, 2016 21:37:42 GMT
Being forced to work, is what you call it. I called it that because you said My wife never worked, cause I wouldn't allow it I have no problem with anyone, male, female, transgender, or whatever deciding to stay home and look after the home and kids, and if that's the choice your wife made, then all power to her, I too think that if every home could have someone looking after the children more or less full time then we would probably have better adjusted children, it's not her choice I was commenting on, it was that you said your wife never worked because you wouldn't allow it.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Dec 2, 2016 21:42:10 GMT
Now a serious question for you, can you please direct me to the earliest recorded marriage. Marriages are recorded in Greek and Roman history before Christianity existed. Ancient Hebrew law, which again pre-dates Christianity required a man to become the husband of a deceased brother's widow. The Catholic Church first defined marriage as a sacrament in 1215. There are 4 popes that have been married before that date Saint Peter (Simon Peter) Pope Hormisdas Pope Adrian II Pope John XVII Chuang Tzu (aka Zhuang Zhou) a Toaist philosopher who died in 287BC was married. Ancient Egyptian culture had marriage (the culture that is widely accepted as having invented writing) and surviving papyri from those times record both marriages and divorces. Ramses II (died 1213BC) was married. I could go on, but whats the point, marriage not only predates Christianity it is practised in societies that have had little to no influence from the Christian church and is widely documented as such in both cases. First, I'm not Catholic, Catholic does not equal Christian, just as Baptist, Methodist, or any other denomination does not equal Christian. I don't believe in the Pope, and have absolutely no use for the title or those that proceded him. I'm a Christian, I am just a member of a Cumberland Presbyterian Church. After Christian, you could call me a Protestant. So the oldest recorded marriage, according to your post would be Adam and Eve, though only God would have performed the ceremony, so the next would be Cain and his wife, if you discount those then we have Noah, and others, but let's just jump ahead to Abram and Sarai, who would later be known as Abraham and Sarah. Because you posted Hebrew law, it is the oldest actual recorded records of marriage, in the same book that I use, how a bout that. Most scholars date that Abraham lived around 1800 BC. I trace the roots of Christianity all the way back to Adam, which predates Eve, for how long, we don't know. How long were Adam and Eve married, we don't know, could have been millions of years, no records were kept of the number of years, until man could die, and that was after the apple incident. So basically the Bible is the oldest known record of marriage that you know of, unless you have better info that what you posted above. Because just starting with Abraham and Sarah, they were married around the year 1800 BCE, because Abram was born as early as 1875 BC according to some scholars.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Dec 2, 2016 21:44:01 GMT
Walks away from thread...
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Dec 2, 2016 21:54:56 GMT
Yes, why have you not responded to anything I've said? The closest you come is to repeat your claim that Climate Change is an everyday theory, but not to reply to what I said in reply, and then to ask me random question about an incident I know little about. Ask me a question, i'll try to answer. As far as climate change, it's just an unproven theory, it's a very hard theory to prove, because there is not enough information recorded in human history. We don't know if the icebergs will melt every 4000 years, or if they will melt then refreze over a period of 10000 years. The theories about the first ice age, could be global warming caused it, but it wiped out everything, buried most of the world in water, froze then thawed out, and we got what we have now. It's a theory, and there's just not enough information known to say it's a hard boiled fact. I do think we have done some damage to the earth, mostly by cutting down and wiping out many forested regions in the world. I do think we put out far to much carbon dioxide, and other man made toxins, and I do believe we are eventually going to run out of fossil fuels and should be looking for other forms of energy, and don't spend near the money we should on solar power, wind power, and water power. Other things are out there, that folks much smarter than me should be working on, like kinetic power, is there no one out there smart enough to harness our own walking movement to do something other than move us around.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Dec 2, 2016 21:59:52 GMT
When a woman marries a man, it's the man's job to provide, and the woman's job to raise the kids. Sorry folks, that's what the Book says, and I believe it, and I was asked. Any more questions? I have a lot of questions there. What if a woman wants to be the one to provide and a man wants to be the one to raise the kids? Or what if both parents want to work together to provide and to raise the kids? Or, if you "won't allow" your wife to work, does that mena that you are the boss of your marriage? What would you do if she really wanted to be the provider, or if she was able to earn a lot more money than you? I'll answer in order. That's up to the people in their marriage, and not my business. Again, that's their business, not mine. We make decisions together, I do things I don't want to do for her, just as she does things for me, it's called a marriage, and it means you don't always get your way. you last question is moot. she has always had what she has wanted, and ive been able to give that to her, and we found out long ago, money does not equal happiness.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Dec 2, 2016 22:07:22 GMT
I have a lot of questions there. What if a woman wants to be the one to provide and a man wants to be the one to raise the kids? Or what if both parents want to work together to provide and to raise the kids? Or, if you "won't allow" your wife to work, does that mena that you are the boss of your marriage? What would you do if she really wanted to be the provider, or if she was able to earn a lot more money than you?
Personally I don't feel this forum is the place for religious discussion - private messages are fine for such talk, but religion as with politics more often than not leads to argument, not peaceful debate and none of us wants this board to become a place where people do not feel welcome. (I say this as a generalization, not a statement directed towards anyone.)
I'm with you on this, I started this thread so folks could find out, who I was and what I was like, and got drawn into religion and many other topics. If you or anyone else wants to get to know me, PM's would be a much better way, cause the only folks who can even compare to the devotion to my faith that I have, is probably Islam, and devout Jews. Those that pray continuously, and such. I cant make friends with everyone, but I sure would like to. cause to me, even though we have different beliefs and different opinions on many different topics, we do all love BF, Doctor Who, and hopefully, each other.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Dec 2, 2016 22:13:32 GMT
I will be the first to admit, that I am not near the brightest crayon in the box, so please educate me, as to how, if every illegal alien in this country now, was deported, that would collapse social security. Thanks. In order for a person here illegally to be paid they need a social security number. Since they are here illegally they need to purchase one through a black market. Thus you have people paying social security taxes, payroll taxes,everything that they take out of your & my check except the difference is since they are here illegally they are not able to collect on what they put in. Even though it is a dummy number, those funds still get paid into. I used to have the Harvard study that laid out the numbers on my old computer but that one died, so I can't link to it. Sorry. See there, I learned something. I had no idea that illegal immigrants paid anything into the system, because around here, they don't. There is a big employer around here, that hires illegal immigrants, and they pay them under the table, and I'm willing to bet that they aren't the only company that does that, but when you are big enough, and have enough money, you can get away with just about anything.
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Post by icecreamdf on Dec 2, 2016 22:18:57 GMT
I have a lot of questions there. What if a woman wants to be the one to provide and a man wants to be the one to raise the kids? Or what if both parents want to work together to provide and to raise the kids? Or, if you "won't allow" your wife to work, does that mena that you are the boss of your marriage? What would you do if she really wanted to be the provider, or if she was able to earn a lot more money than you? I'll answer in order. That's up to the people in their marriage, and not my business. Again, that's their business, not mine. We make decisions together, I do things I don't want to do for her, just as she does things for me, it's called a marriage, and it means you don't always get your way. you last question is moot. she has always had what she has wanted, and ive been able to give that to her, and we found out long ago, money does not equal happiness. As I said, I believe that everyone is happy enough in your marriage. I meant more in general. You say that the bible requires men to be providers and women to be homemakers, but we are living in a world where those gender roles are becoming obsolete.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 2, 2016 22:22:15 GMT
In order for a person here illegally to be paid they need a social security number. Since they are here illegally they need to purchase one through a black market. Thus you have people paying social security taxes, payroll taxes,everything that they take out of your & my check except the difference is since they are here illegally they are not able to collect on what they put in. Even though it is a dummy number, those funds still get paid into. I used to have the Harvard study that laid out the numbers on my old computer but that one died, so I can't link to it. Sorry. See there, I learned something. I had no idea that illegal immigrants paid anything into the system, because around here, they don't. There is a big employer around here, that hires illegal immigrants, and they pay them under the table, and I'm willing to bet that they aren't the only company that does that, but when you are big enough, and have enough money, you can get away with just about anything. The employers who pay under the table are in the vast minority because when caught, the penalties are even more severe. The bigger the footprint a company has, the more regulation they have to deal with. I would not rely on anecdotal evidence because that literally only takes you so far. It only offers one a very small piece of the image if you will and not the whole picture. I'm working from memory but I think the number paying into social security is like 12% from illegal immigrants. And to say the ones getting paid under the table don't contribute isn't accurate. If they purchase anything in the local community they are paying sales tax. Long story short, the debate over illegal immigration is pretty nuanced has a lot of moving pieces.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Dec 2, 2016 22:38:21 GMT
I'll answer in order. That's up to the people in their marriage, and not my business. Again, that's their business, not mine. We make decisions together, I do things I don't want to do for her, just as she does things for me, it's called a marriage, and it means you don't always get your way. you last question is moot. she has always had what she has wanted, and ive been able to give that to her, and we found out long ago, money does not equal happiness. As I said, I believe that everyone is happy enough in your marriage. I meant more in general. You say that the bible requires men to be providers and women to be homemakers, but we are living in a world where those gender roles are becoming obsolete. I don't require that everyone lives the life that I do. My youngest is a lesbian and I don't love her any more or less because of that. As long as she is good to everyone and does her best in every aspect of her life I accept its her life. When asked by someone who proclaims Christianity as their way of life I will tell them what I believe, and point them in the direction of finding their own answers.
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