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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 1, 2017 19:18:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 20:11:37 GMT
Well it's probably too soon to read much into it, but it could mean he'll be available, and if Chibnall doesn't take advantage of that, Big Finish will.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 1, 2017 20:12:51 GMT
Well it's probably too soon to read much into it, but it could mean he'll be available, and if Chibnall doesn't take advantage of that, Big Finish will. He would be stupid not to take advantage of it when Jack's return would guarantee the viewers.
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Post by sherlock on May 1, 2017 20:23:07 GMT
My money's on coincidence. Besides would Jack coming back really bring in more views, it has been 9 years since his last Who appearance.
With any luck Big Finish will capitalise on his availability.
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Post by aztec on May 1, 2017 20:40:08 GMT
I read somewhere Barrowman had a clause written into his Arrow contract that if he is required by the BBC for Who they would have to write his Arrow appearances around that (supposedly the Arrow showrunners are huge Who fans, I haven't watched it so I don't know how big Barrowman's role is) no idea if that is true, but I'd assume if Moffat/the BBC really wanted him back they would have come up with a decent idea to do so by now, I don't think Jack's abscence in the Moffat era was due to Moffat disliking the character (he tried to get him back for 'A Good Man Goes to War' but Barrowman wasn't available) simply a desire to distance himself from RTD and create his own recurring characters, I liked Jack a lot but he very much belonged to the RTD style of writing and I'm not entirely convinced his return a decade on from his last regular appearance would really matter to the vast majority of casual viewers, how exactly has Jack earned the right to return more than any of the other old characters?
It's probably a coincidence (and we don't even know when S11 starts filming yet anyway) though I agree the Chibnall connection could make it more likely than if it was a different showrunner.
On the other hand Barrowman falsely blamed Moffat for blocking a return of Torchwood to TV, which left a rather sour taste in myself, I get it he's a fan...but it came across as rather entitled and petty, Torchwood wasn't exactly a massive hit...
Regardless of whether he returns to the TV series or not, I'm sure BF will take advantage of his more open schedule whilst they can...
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Post by MayoTango131 on May 1, 2017 21:04:25 GMT
I see no point in his return, apart from unnecessary fanservice that has plagued the Capaldi era. I prefer a fresh, creative and without continuity Series 11 as it was series 5. Maybe that's why I'm glad the captain did not appear in series 6 (in A Good Man Go To War) as planned but was canceled by filming Of the mediocre Miracle Day.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 1, 2017 21:34:55 GMT
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Post by sherlock on May 1, 2017 21:46:35 GMT
Personally I don't see the urge to have Jack come back. Series 10's already shaping up to be a pretty fan-orientated series, so I don't think more returning characters is beneficial. From a wider perspective I think it's a bad idea for Chibnall to do in his first series. A new showrunner (and Doctor) should be a fresh canvass, bringing back a character created by the previous showrunner kind of undermines that.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 22:29:06 GMT
I'm not sure over 500 signatures can be seen as 'public pressure' concerning a show that has millions of viewers. As Sherlock has said, it has ben 9 years since he was last in Doctor Who. It would be fun to see him again, but hardly essential.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on May 1, 2017 22:33:20 GMT
I see little point for a new showrunner who is bringing in a new Doctor and a new companion to being back Captain Jack. The show needs to look & move forward. If you have got to bring back Jack, do it in a second series when the new TARDIS crew is established and the show has settled into its new groove.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on May 1, 2017 22:34:50 GMT
Unless it is a female Doctor. Then all bets are off and I think you could justify bringing back a character like Jack that has so much backstory.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 1, 2017 22:48:50 GMT
Personally I don't see the urge to have Jack come back. Series 10's already shaping up to be a pretty fan-orientated series, so I don't think more returning characters is beneficial. From a wider perspective I think it's a bad idea for Chibnall to do in his first series. A new showrunner (and Doctor) should be a fresh canvass, bringing back a character created by the previous showrunner kind of undermines that. I don't really see Series 10 as that fan-orientated. It feels geared more towards new viewers to me. The Movellans were merely cameos and The Daleks, The Ice Warriors and The Master are iconic elements of the show anyway. The only return I find questionable for new viewers is the Tenth Planet Cybermen and I still think it strange that they will be returning soon. Captain Jack Harkness is like the classic series' Brigadier in that he is the one character you could bring back in any new series era without having to explain to the audience who he is. He is instantly iconic to casual viewers - even after nine years of absence, there are still calls for Jack's return among fans and casual viewers alike. Jack's return would be no more fan-orientated than The Master being in Series 11, or the Autons making an appearance.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 1, 2017 22:49:29 GMT
I'm not sure over 500 signatures can be seen as 'public pressure' concerning a show that has millions of viewers. As Sherlock has said, it has ben 9 years since he was last in Doctor Who. It would be fun to see him again, but hardly essential. 500 signatures in such a short space of time. It may hit a thousand before long.
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Post by sherlock on May 1, 2017 23:01:04 GMT
Personally I don't see the urge to have Jack come back. Series 10's already shaping up to be a pretty fan-orientated series, so I don't think more returning characters is beneficial. From a wider perspective I think it's a bad idea for Chibnall to do in his first series. A new showrunner (and Doctor) should be a fresh canvass, bringing back a character created by the previous showrunner kind of undermines that. I don't really see Series 10 as that fan-orientated. It feels geared more towards new viewers to me. The Movellans were merely cameos and The Daleks, The Ice Warriors and The Master are iconic elements of the show anyway. The only return I find questionable for new viewers is the Tenth Planet Cybermen and I still think it strange that they will be returning soon. Captain Jack Harkness is like the classic series' Brigadier in that he is the one character you could bring back in any new series era without having to explain to the audience who he is. He is instantly iconic to casual viewers - even after nine years of absence, there are still calls for Jack's return among fans and casual viewers alike. Jack's return would be no more fan-orientated than The Master being in Series 11, or the Autons making an appearance. I still feel it would be better for Chibnall's launch if he avoided bringing back past elements. Surely a new showrunner, new lead and possibly new companion (Has Bill's future been confirmed?) should mean a relatively clean break from the past? Some like the Daleks and Cybermen are iconic so they're fine (Not sure if I would classify the Ice Warriors as such but anyway) but I just feel that bringing back Jack would only undermine the new launch (especially the fact he was created by the outgoing showrunner). The show should continue to push forward with new ideas, and a new showrunner is perfect opportunity to really focus on that. I also worry that Jack would be brought back for the sake of bringing him back, not because there's a good story to be told by bringing him back.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 23:02:54 GMT
I'm not sure over 500 signatures can be seen as 'public pressure' concerning a show that has millions of viewers. As Sherlock has said, it has ben 9 years since he was last in Doctor Who. It would be fun to see him again, but hardly essential. 500 signatures in such a short space of time. It may hit a thousand before long. It may hit two thousand. I'm still not sure the BBC will see it as public pressure. Exactly this.
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Post by SG. on May 1, 2017 23:05:20 GMT
If something DW-related were to come of this (which I'm pretty convinced it won't), I'd prefer it to be Torchwood more than anything else. Jack doesn't really need to come back right now.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 1, 2017 23:30:42 GMT
I don't really see Series 10 as that fan-orientated. It feels geared more towards new viewers to me. The Movellans were merely cameos and The Daleks, The Ice Warriors and The Master are iconic elements of the show anyway. The only return I find questionable for new viewers is the Tenth Planet Cybermen and I still think it strange that they will be returning soon. Captain Jack Harkness is like the classic series' Brigadier in that he is the one character you could bring back in any new series era without having to explain to the audience who he is. He is instantly iconic to casual viewers - even after nine years of absence, there are still calls for Jack's return among fans and casual viewers alike. Jack's return would be no more fan-orientated than The Master being in Series 11, or the Autons making an appearance. I still feel it would be better for Chibnall's launch if he avoided bringing back past elements. Surely a new showrunner, new lead and possibly new companion (Has Bill's future been confirmed?) should mean a relatively clean break from the past? Some like the Daleks and Cybermen are iconic so they're fine (Not sure if I would classify the Ice Warriors as such but anyway) but I just feel that bringing back Jack would only undermine the new launch (especially the fact he was created by the outgoing showrunner). The show should continue to push forward with new ideas, and a new showrunner is perfect opportunity to really focus on that. I also worry that Jack would be brought back for the sake of bringing him back, not because there's a good story to be told by bringing him back. I can see that point but personally I think they could include Jack with it still feeling like a fresh start. I'm not saying Chibnall should have him in every episode of Series 11 - just one would do, even if it was a very brief cameo (as would have been the case with A Good Man Goes To War if it hadn't clashed with Torchwood filming). Personally if I was Chibnall the only returning past characters I would have would be the Daleks and Captain Jack in the two part finale. Maybe Bill too if Pearl Mackie wanted to stay on for an extra year.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on May 2, 2017 1:06:43 GMT
I wonder if that means Merlyn's for the chop in Arrow?
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Post by agentten on May 2, 2017 1:27:34 GMT
The announcement about Barrowman not appearing in next year's Arrowverse is most likely designed to generate buzz about the upcoming season finales of those shows by making people wonder what major events are going to happen at the end of the season. It may not mean anything for Doctor Who, but one thing that does come to mind is that if Torchwood's long mooted return were to actually happen, it seems reasonable to think that the BBC might have him pop up on Who next year in order to help promote a new Torchwood series.
Who can say, though. It's a bit of a long shot, but not as long as some others. In a world where Twin Peaks returns 25 years later, I think the door's open for just about any other show with a reasonably dedicated fanbase to return to the airwaves.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 2, 2017 8:59:48 GMT
. It may not mean anything for Doctor Who, but one thing that does come to mind is that if Torchwood's long mooted return were to actually happen, it seems reasonable to think that the BBC might have him pop up on Who next year in order to help promote a new Torchwood series. . I hope so. Having Jack turn up in a two part finale with The Daleks would be perfect. Maybe even have The Doctor finally pop up in Torchwood.
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