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Post by sherlock on Mar 13, 2020 13:43:34 GMT
Hmm, I’d always thought Death and the Queen belonged late in Series 4, as it’s a kind of faux departure story for Donna. Tim Bradley , gave your timeline a look and have a few suggestions- The DWA comics with Heather and Wolfe might belong better somewhere between Journey’s End and Planet of the Dead. The Doctor doesn’t seem to have any reluctance to take on new companions, whereas by Planet of the Dead is in full ‘I travel alone’ mood, possibly brought on by what happened to Heather and Wolfie. The Titan comics begin close to Planet of the Dead, as that’s what the writer said in media prior to it’s release and in the comic Gabby convinces the Doctor to let her travel with him by inadvertently him of the prophecy Carmen gave him (Carmen warns him about his song ending soon and something returning from the dark and knocking 4 times, Gabby cites a saying by her grandmother that ‘no song should end too soon’). The placement of Collision Course during Series 4 doesn’t quite work, as the Doctor seems to be travelling alone there. It could go in pretty much any period he’s alone. The e-book Keeping Up with the Joneses belongs shortly after Planet of the Dead, as Lady Christina is fresh in the Doctor’s memories. Made of Steel likely belongs between Lazarus Experiment and 42. Martha goes back to Royal Hope Hospital, where it’s seems like it’s been a few days (ish) since the events of Smith and Jones, whereas in The Lazarus Experiment she has the Doctor bring her back to Earth the morning after Smith and Jones. Also I think Martha remembers a mad scientist at one point (been a while since I last read it). It has to be before 42 though, as Martha doesn’t have a TARDIS key. You seem to be missing short story published on the Doctor Who website The Doctor on My Shoulder. This takes place right before The End of Time, as the Doctor mentions there’s something he’s been avoiding for a while and at the end as he’s leaving he resolves that ‘Time’s up’, kinda implying he’s decided to go to the Ood. And, this a very niche one, you’re missing the short story A Dog’s Life. The story depicts the last few years of K-9 Mark III’s life, from his point of view, and ends with him being repaired by the Doctor in the cafe in School Reunion. K-9 recognises his master and it’s very cute. Actually come to the think of it, there might be a few more stories from that collection (The Doctor Who Files) that you’re missing, but I can’t remember enough about the rest (the K-9 and Dalek stories from that collection are the only ones which stuck in my memory). |
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Mar 13, 2020 14:13:42 GMT
Hmm, I’d always thought Death and the Queen belonged late in Series 4, as it’s a kind of faux departure story for Donna. Tim Bradley , gave your timeline a look and have a few suggestions- The DWA comics with Heather and Wolfe might belong better somewhere between Journey’s End and Planet of the Dead. The Doctor doesn’t seem to have any reluctance to take on new companions, whereas by Planet of the Dead is in full ‘I travel alone’ mood, possibly brought on by what happened to Heather and Wolfie. The Titan comics begin close to Planet of the Dead, as that’s what the writer said in media prior to it’s release and in the comic Gabby convinces the Doctor to let her travel with him by inadvertently him of the prophecy Carmen gave him (Carmen warns him about his song ending soon and something returning from the dark and knocking 4 times, Gabby cites a saying by her grandmother that ‘no song should end too soon’). The placement of Collision Course during Series 4 doesn’t quite work, as the Doctor seems to be travelling alone there. It could go in pretty much any period he’s alone. The e-book Keeping Up with the Joneses belongs shortly after Planet of the Dead, as Lady Christina is fresh in the Doctor’s memories. Made of Steel likely belongs between Lazarus Experiment and 42. Martha goes back to Royal Hope Hospital, where it’s seems like it’s been a few days (ish) since the events of Smith and Jones, whereas in The Lazarus Experiment she has the Doctor bring her back to Earth the morning after Smith and Jones. Also I think Martha remembers a mad scientist at one point (been a while since I last read it). It has to be before 42 though, as Martha doesn’t have a TARDIS key. You seem to be missing short story published on the Doctor Who website The Doctor on My Shoulder. This takes place right before The End of Time, as the Doctor mentions there’s something he’s been avoiding for a while and at the end as he’s leaving he resolves that ‘Time’s up’, kinda implying he’s decided to go to the Ood. And, this a very niche one, you’re missing the short story A Dog’s Life. The story depicts the last few years of K-9 Mark III’s life, from his point of view, and ends with him being repaired by the Doctor in the cafe in School Reunion. K-9 recognises his master and it’s very cute. Actually come to the think of it, there might be a few more stories from that collection (The Doctor Who Files) that you’re missing, but I can’t remember enough about the rest (the K-9 and Dalek stories from that collection are the only ones which stuck in my memory). Donna’s relationship with Rudolph just doesn’t really make a lot of sense after Lee. Not from what we’re told in Donna Noble Kidnapped and In The Blood. The Original intention for the Titan Comics was that they go after Planet of the Dead and paves the way for Time Lord Victorious In The Waters of Mars. However it also fits after The Wedding of Sarah Jane Smith as the Doctor meets up with a Post-Wedding Sarah Jane near the end of the run. They also feature the moment paving the way for the Doctor's involvement in Day of the Doctor. Right now, I would say that they go between The Wedding of Sarah Jane Smith and Day of the Doctor, whether that is before or after Waters of Mars is up to the individuals discretion, but authorial intent would say before. Keeping Up With The Joneses doesn’t have to be shortly after Planet of the Dead at all. He remembers Christina, but she’s not fresh on his memory. |
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Mar 13, 2020 14:42:00 GMT
A few more things:
The Green-Eyed Monster is set between The Girl In the Fireplace and Rise of the Cybermen as Mickey is travelling in the TARDIS and Rose mentions meeting Sarah Jane and Reinette in the past week.
The Warkeepers Crown is a solo story and goes between The Runaway Bride and Smith and Jones.
Although A Little Help From My Friends is set during the overall story of Blink, it’s set before the scenes with the Doctor and Martha that we see in Blink.
The Mystery of the Haunted Cottage is set a week after the Doctor and Martha deal with “four things and a lizard” when Sally Sparrow gives them her notes in Blink. So it’s probably before they get sent back in time as I’m sure they’re trapped in the past for longer than a week.
Hotel Historia goes between Voyage of the Damned and Partners in Crime as it bridged the gap between Martha and Donna in DWM.
Ghosts of India / Shining Darkness / The Doctor Trap go between Planet of the Ood and The Sontaran Stratagem.
Donna is still getting used to meeting aliens in Death's Deal, so I would put it early in her travels, maybe before The Sontaran Stratagem.
The Time Machination goes before The Silver Scream.
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Post by mark687 on Aug 26, 2020 11:31:14 GMT
Out of Time 1
After the Wedding of Sarah Jane
Regards
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Aug 26, 2020 11:53:56 GMT
Out of Time 1 After the Wedding of Sarah Jane Regards mark687 And more specifically between The Waters of Mars and The End of Time, as it’s implied he’s avoiding his summons to the Ood Sphere. |
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 27, 2020 19:59:01 GMT
Out of Time 1 After the Wedding of Sarah Jane Regards mark687 And more specifically between The Waters of Mars and The End of Time, as it’s implied he’s avoiding his summons to the Ood Sphere. I think it edged a little closer to The End of Time with the Doctor saying “one more party”, which is implied to be the one he’s just come from on the Ood Sphere. Open to interpretation, though. I’m getting warmer to the Doctor’s farewell tour as the years go by. The retcon in Death of the Doctor so it’s all his companions, followed by a number of fan heavy stories towards the end of his life in recent years; The Day of the Doctor, Out of Time(s) and Time Lord Victorious. Then there’s The Wedding of Sarah Jane Smith too. The Doctor goes to one of his darkest days and then spends a lot of time in his own history to distance himself and delay his death. Then in his dying moments he goes back through his history once more. I don’t think it’s intended, but it’s worked out nicely. |
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Aug 27, 2020 21:09:13 GMT
And more specifically between The Waters of Mars and The End of Time, as it’s implied he’s avoiding his summons to the Ood Sphere. I think it edged a little closer to The End of Time with the Doctor saying “one more party”, which is implied to be the one he’s just come from on the Ood Sphere. Open to interpretation, though. I’m getting warmer to the Doctor’s farewell tour as the years go by. The retcon in Death of the Doctor so it’s all his companions, followed by a number of fan heavy stories towards the end of his life in recent years; The Day of the Doctor, Out of Time(s) and Time Lord Victorious. Then there’s The Wedding of Sarah Jane Smith too. The Doctor goes to one of his darkest days and then spends a lot of time in his own history to distance himself and delay his death. Then in his dying moments he goes back through his history once more. I don’t think it’s intended, but it’s worked out nicely. I have a feeling that the “one more party” is going to be the Tenth Doctor’s version of “Welp back to Amsterdam!” I definitely think that the gap between The Waters of Mars and The End of Time is actually bizarrely one with quite a lot of potential as it’s effectively the Doctor saying F you to the universe and running from his destiny so really anything can happen. And it’s really ripe for exploring the Doctor's psyche following the Waters of Mars. I mean Out of Time already did a bit of that and it felt like a natural progression of what we saw on tv. I wouldn’t mind them slotting a new companion into the gap. I imagine it’s going to happen eventually but it feels like the most natural gap to use for that, short of having a new companion travelling alongside a tv companion. |
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 27, 2020 21:17:07 GMT
I think it edged a little closer to The End of Time with the Doctor saying “one more party”, which is implied to be the one he’s just come from on the Ood Sphere. Open to interpretation, though. I’m getting warmer to the Doctor’s farewell tour as the years go by. The retcon in Death of the Doctor so it’s all his companions, followed by a number of fan heavy stories towards the end of his life in recent years; The Day of the Doctor, Out of Time(s) and Time Lord Victorious. Then there’s The Wedding of Sarah Jane Smith too. The Doctor goes to one of his darkest days and then spends a lot of time in his own history to distance himself and delay his death. Then in his dying moments he goes back through his history once more. I don’t think it’s intended, but it’s worked out nicely. I have a feeling that the “one more party” is going to be the Tenth Doctor’s version of “Welp back to Amsterdam!” I definitely think that the gap between The Waters of Mars and The End of Time is actually bizarrely one with quite a lot of potential as it’s effectively the Doctor saying F you to the universe and running from his destiny so really anything can happen. And it’s really ripe for exploring the Doctor's psyche following the Waters of Mars. I mean Out of Time already did a bit of that and it felt like a natural progression of what we saw on tv. I wouldn’t mind them slotting a new companion into the gap. I imagine it’s going to happen eventually but it feels like the most natural gap to use for that, short of having a new companion travelling alongside a tv companion. Indeed, that’s why I said it’s open to interpretation, as I think you’re right! I agree that it’s a great gap to explore. I think that’s scope for the Doctor going through his history, bumping into previous incarnations, companions, etc. and that ties in to the stories that have utilised that gap so far, touching upon his psyche and where he as in life. It’s one of those gaps where anything goes. Same for a new companion, as you say, you’d get a different dynamic with this particular take on the Tenth Doctor. I’m looking forward to seeing the Doctor and River’s dynamic in the upcoming set, as I’m guessing that’s in the same gap. It’s been one of my big wants since River returned in Series 5! |
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Post by xlozdob on Aug 28, 2020 1:04:22 GMT
I think that’s scope for the Doctor going through his history, bumping into previous incarnations, companions, The Valeyard,  |
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Post by sherlock on Oct 5, 2020 8:52:58 GMT
The Knight, The Fool and The Dead is straight after The Waters of Mars. It’s events are weighing heavily on the Doctor.
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Post by shallacatop on Oct 5, 2020 15:16:02 GMT
The Knight, The Fool and The Dead is straight after The Waters of Mars. It’s events are weighing heavily on the Doctor. Yep. And this leads straight into All Flesh is Grass. |
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Oct 5, 2020 19:17:40 GMT
And Tales from the Dark Times goes somewhere after The Knight, The Fool and the Dead
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Post by Ricky on Nov 25, 2020 15:42:51 GMT
So there really isn't much to go on with the three new River Song stories. For now, I'm going to just place each one before each of the 2008-2009 specials. So: Journey's End Expiry DatingThe Next Doctor Precious AnnihilationPlanet of the Dead GhostsThe Waters of Mars {BIG Expiry Dating spoilers. Like seriously.}
The crux of this story is River getting the Doctor to do Doctorish things again after losing Donna, so I'm inclined to place it quite close to Journey's End. |
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Post by sherlock on Dec 22, 2020 15:24:40 GMT
So recent additions to Ten’s timeline include-
All Flesh is Grass is immediately after The Knight, The Fool and The Dead. There’s a deliberate gap between Chapters 3 and 4 which is where Ten’s episode of Tales of the Dark Times and The Minds of Magnox belong.
The Shattered Hourglass is not long after The Waters of Mars (Though obviously after TLV). I’d favour putting it just after Out of Time where the wounds of Mars are still fresh but the Doctor has pulled himself together somewhat.
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Post by shallacatop on Apr 4, 2021 9:09:45 GMT
The Subscriber Short Trip Soul Music isn’t explicit in the Doctor’s timeline, except it uses the 2008 theme tune. The Doctor is lending a hand, though, and the plot has the Doctor reminisce about Gallifrey. I think post-TLV and pre-Day of the Doctor is a nice placement. Some time after Out of Time, where the Doctor is more himself.
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Post by sherlock on Apr 16, 2021 23:26:52 GMT
So Echoes of Extinction isn’t as simple timeline-wise as rest of TLV has been.
Ten mentions his fiancée, Liz, and does an impression making quite clear this is meant to be referencing Elizabeth I. He doesn’t propose to her till The Day of the Doctor and marries her in the same story, and The End of Time demonstrates he remembers them being married. So there’s really no point in time he and her were just engaged.
Add to that Ten has clearly recently gone through TLV. Nothing specific is mentioned other than the Kotturuh and what he did to them, so it’s possible there’s been a few adventures since he left the Dark Times, but his characterisation does seem to suggest the rest of TLV (which was all immediately after The Waters of Mars) is a recent happening. Putting this after Day doesn’t really seem to fit comfortably with this. But how else to explain the reference to Liz?
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Apr 16, 2021 23:54:29 GMT
The vibe I got was that he has had several adventures since leaving the Dark Times and thought time was back to normal until he got involved with this story.
I definitely don’t think a long time has passed since the rest of TLV but I wouldn’t have any qualms placing it after DOTD. The fiancé thing is annoying, but I guess we can just assume that he forgot about the wedding because the other Doctors were there and then found out about it later, or possibly just didn’t think the marriage was legally binding at the time as they only seemed to exchange vows, and then finds out that yes they did get married in time for The End of Time.
Maybe they need to get Joanna Page in for an audio.
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Post by shallacatop on Apr 17, 2021 6:58:11 GMT
I’d say Echoes of Extinction is post-Day of the Doctor. The fiancée mention I inferred to be that he recalls proposing to Liz, but not the marriage due to the presence of the other Doctors.
I think it’s also pretty explicit that the Doctor has had quite a few adventures since All Flesh is Grass (including The Day of the Doctor and the Zygon escapades immediately prior to that), but it’s still fairly recent. I’d say it’s likely he spent some time clearing up the aftermath of his actions in The Waters of Mars & The Knight, The Fool and The Dead / All Flesh is Grass amongst “regular” adventures and he thinks he’s resolved the impact and is starting to move past it, probably by burying it in his mind. In Echoes of Extinction pretty normal until he’s reminded of The Kotturuh and then you get that anger and remorse and I think he finally comes to terms with his actions.
Yeah, I think it all fits nicely based on what we’re presented with in Echoes. It’s an epilogue to TLV, but not quite what I was expecting, as I assumed it would be him resolving his mess basically. Not sure what others think.
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Post by shallacatop on Apr 17, 2021 8:08:15 GMT
What are our thoughts on Dalek Universe so far? I’m thinking in between The Next Doctor and Planet of the Dead currently for a broad placement. He’s still affected by Donna’s departure, but it doesn’t dominate, so I think a short bit of time will have passed, but it doesn’t strike me as though he’s been given the prophecy from Planet of the Dead.
I’m sure more information will come as the other two sets are released.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Apr 17, 2021 13:03:02 GMT
What are our thoughts on Dalek Universe so far? I’m thinking in between The Next Doctor and Planet of the Dead currently for a broad placement. He’s still affected by Donna’s departure, but it doesn’t dominate, so I think a short bit of time will have passed, but it doesn’t strike me as though he’s been given the prophecy from Planet of the Dead. I’m sure more information will come as the other two sets are released. Someone asked John Dorney on Twitter if it was set between The Next Doctor and Planet of the Dead, and his first response was basically that they had discussed it and he thinks that was roughly where they had decided it goes, although he didn’t seem 100% sure, so I suppose it could turn out that it’s before The Next Doctor or after Planet of the Dead, but it’s roughly in that area. |
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