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Post by Ricky on Apr 20, 2021 11:25:25 GMT
Aaah, that was me! I'm so happy John is one of the guys who's happy to answer. I'm a timeline nerd, but I'm sure they get annoyed at being asked those kind of things š
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Apr 20, 2021 12:30:57 GMT
Ah haha, Iām glad thereās been a discussion about it. Itās nice to have a fixed placement for these things.
Especially with Specials continuity being completely screwed up in the EU. Trying to place everything is a pain.
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Post by shallacatop on Apr 20, 2021 14:43:25 GMT
Ah haha, Iām glad thereās been a discussion about it. Itās nice to have a fixed placement for these things. Especially with Specials continuity being completely screwed up in the EU. Trying to place everything is a pain. I agree completely, especially with the second line; it's chaos! It doesn't help there's not a lot of TV episodes to "cling" on to and each one has some form of event into it, so the EU tries to attach itself to those as a way of telling you where it's placed in relation to the TV episodes. Coupled with so much of the material being a big event or featuring some sort of returning element; instinct tells you to try and space those out, even if it's not possible or logical. |
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Post by nitronine on Apr 20, 2021 15:19:41 GMT
What are our thoughts on Dalek Universe so far? Iām thinking in between The Next Doctor and Planet of the Dead currently for a broad placement. Heās still affected by Donnaās departure, but it doesnāt dominate, so I think a short bit of time will have passed, but it doesnāt strike me as though heās been given the prophecy from Planet of the Dead. Iām sure more information will come as the other two sets are released. Someone asked John Dorney on Twitter if it was set between The Next Doctor and Planet of the Dead, and his first response was basically that they had discussed it and he thinks that was roughly where they had decided it goes, although he didnāt seem 100% sure, so I suppose it could turn out that itās before The Next Doctor or after Planet of the Dead, but itās roughly in that area. {Major Spoiler but Ill try to be vague} The person who "kills" the Doctor knocks 4 times which would suggest post-PotD but he doesn't remark on it so it could also be argued that it's pre-PotD. Long story short: I don't know the answer  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 15:32:10 GMT
I remember asking eugeniep about Free Speech, a few months ago, and she suggested "probably some point after Rose's departure but before Donna and the events of The Waters of Mars, when he's still relatively upbeat and not jaded!" |
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Apr 20, 2021 16:14:23 GMT
I remember askingĀ eugeniep about Free Speech, a few months ago, and she suggestedĀ "probably some point after Rose's departure but before Donna and the events of The Waters of Mars, when he's still relatively upbeat and not jaded!" Oh Iām surprised by that, i guess Iād put it between Voyage of the Damned and Partners in Crime then, because of the theme tune. I think I also put Death in the New Forest, The Skies of New Earth and Hounded in that gap too to spread them out from the Doctorās other Churchill and New Earth appearances. |
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Post by sherlock on Apr 20, 2021 21:14:23 GMT
What are our thoughts on Dalek Universe so far? Iām thinking in between The Next Doctor and Planet of the Dead currently for a broad placement. Heās still affected by Donnaās departure, but it doesnāt dominate, so I think a short bit of time will have passed, but it doesnāt strike me as though heās been given the prophecy from Planet of the Dead. Iām sure more information will come as the other two sets are released. Between The Next Doctor and Planet feels right to me. The opening monologue and Tenās characterisation definitely feels like a continuation of his āthey break my heartā bit at end of The Next Doctor and thereās no fate teasing/general loneliness that sometimes characterises post- Planet material. |
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Apr 20, 2021 22:42:03 GMT
TV, BF & TLV
The Parting of the Ways
Born Again
The Christmas Invasion
New Earth
Tooth and Claw
School Reunion
The Girl in the Fireplace
Rise of the Cybermen / The Age of Steel
Infamy of the Zaross
Sword of the Chevalier
Cold Vengeance
The Taste of Death
The Idiot's Lantern
The Impossible Planet / The Satan Pit
Love and Monsters
Fear Her
Army of Ghosts / Doomsday
The Runaway Bride
Smith and Jones
The Shakespeare Code
Gridlock
Daleks in Manhattan / Evolution of the Daleks
Backtrack
The Lazarus Experiment
42
The Infinite Quest
Human Nature / The Family of Blood
Blink
Utopia / The Sound of Drums / Last of the Time Lords
Time Crash
Voyage of the Damned
Hounded
Death in the New Forest
The Skies of New Earth
Free Speech
Partners in Crime
The Fires of Pompeii
Planet of the Ood
Death's Deal
The Sontaran Strategem / The Poison Sky
The Doctor's Daughter
The Unicorn and the Wasp
Technophobia
Time Reaver
Death and the Queen
Silence in the Library / Forest of the Dead
Out of the World
Spinvasion
The Sorcerer of Albion
The Chiswick Cuckoos
In the Blood
Wild Pastures
No Place
One Mile Down
The Creeping Death
Midnight
Turn Left
The Stolen Earth / Journey's End
Expiry Dating
Churchill Victorious
The Cats of New Cairo
Zero Space
Collision Course
Precious Annihilation
Ghosts
A Brave New World
Soul Music
The Next Doctor
Buying Time / The Wrong Woman
The House of Kingdom
TBA
TBA
TBA
TBA
The Dalek Defence
The Triumph of Davros
Planet of the Dead
The Wedding of Sarah Jane Smith
The Waters of Mars
The Knight, The Fool and The Dead
Tales from the Dark Times
The Minds of Magnox
All Flesh is Grass
Out of Time
The Shattered Hourglass
Dreamland
The Day of the Doctor
Echoes of Extinction
Last Chance
The End of Time
The Jago & Litefoot Revival
The End of Time
(Iāve not spaced out the River audios, this is because I suspect that when she crops in DU, itāll probably be treated as though theyāve had many adventures before so itāll make sense to have the whole 10 & River set precede DU, and also because I suspect weāll eventually end up with so many 10/River audios that itāll become pointless trying to slot them around other stories to space them out. Also because I like release order.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2021 4:16:13 GMT
What are our thoughts on Dalek Universe so far? Iām thinking in between The Next Doctor and Planet of the Dead currently for a broad placement. Heās still affected by Donnaās departure, but it doesnāt dominate, so I think a short bit of time will have passed, but it doesnāt strike me as though heās been given the prophecy from Planet of the Dead. Iām sure more information will come as the other two sets are released. Between The Next Doctor and Planet feels right to me. The opening monologue and Tenās characterisation definitely feels like a continuation of his āthey break my heartā bit at end of The Next Doctor and thereās no fate teasing/general loneliness that sometimes characterises post- Planet material. We also get that surrepticious four knocks at the door in Buying Time. Ten's rather timid non-reaction to it feels like something that'd fit pre- Planet. |
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Post by shallacatop on Apr 21, 2021 7:33:56 GMT
TV, BF & TLV
The Parting of the Ways
Born Again
The Christmas InvasionNew EarthTooth and ClawSchool ReunionThe Girl in the FireplaceRise of the Cybermen / The Age of SteelInfamy of the Zaross Sword of the Chevalier Cold Vengeance The Taste of Death The Idiot's LanternThe Impossible Planet / The Satan PitLove and MonstersFear Her Army of Ghosts / DoomsdayThe Runaway Bride
Smith and Jones The Shakespeare CodeGridlockDaleks in Manhattan / Evolution of the DaleksBacktrack The Lazarus Experiment42The Infinite Quest Human Nature / The Family of Blood BlinkUtopia / The Sound of Drums / Last of the Time Lords Time Crash Voyage of the Damned
Hounded Death in the New Forest The Skies of New Earth Free Speech Partners in Crime
The Fires of Pompeii
Planet of the Ood
Death's Deal The Sontaran Strategem / The Poison SkyThe Doctor's Daughter The Unicorn and the WaspTechnophobia Time Reaver Death and the Queen Silence in the Library / Forest of the Dead
Out of the World Spinvasion The Sorcerer of Albion The Chiswick Cuckoos In the Blood Wild Pastures No Place One Mile Down The Creeping Death MidnightTurn LeftThe Stolen Earth / Journey's End
Expiry Dating Churchill Victorious The Cats of New Cairo Zero Space Collision Course Precious Annihilation Ghosts A Brave New World Soul Music The Next Doctor
Buying Time / The Wrong Woman The House of Kingdom TBA TBA TBA TBA The Dalek Defence The Triumph of Davros Planet of the DeadThe Wedding of Sarah Jane SmithThe Waters of MarsThe Knight, The Fool and The Dead Tales from the Dark Times The Minds of Magnox All Flesh is Grass Out of Time The Shattered Hourglass Dreamland
The Day of the Doctor
Echoes of Extinction Last Chance The End of Time
The Jago & Litefoot Revival The End of Time (Iāve not spaced out the River audios, this is because I suspect that when she crops in DU, itāll probably be treated as though theyāve had many adventures before so itāll make sense to have the whole 10 & River set precede DU, and also because I suspect weāll eventually end up with so many 10/River audios that itāll become pointless trying to slot them around other stories to space them out. Also because I like release order.) This is great, thank you. Amazing to see how much extra content we've had in the past few years from Big Finish and just how expanded that Specials year has become under them, with at least another five audios unaccounted for (Classic Companions and two Out of Time). Of course, that's nothing as soon as you throw in IDW, Titan, DWM, BBC Books and god knows what else! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2021 10:37:59 GMT
I think Last Chance takes place during The End of Time, themeddlingmonk, as it references the "final reward". |
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Apr 21, 2021 11:15:08 GMT
Rose
The Parting of the Ways
Born Again
The Christmas InvasionNew Earth
The Stone Rose The Feast of the Drowned The Resurrection Casket Tooth and Claw
The Betrothal of Sontar The Lodger F.A.Q. The Futurists Interstellar Overdrive School ReunionThe Girl in the Fireplace
The Green-Eyed Monster Rise of the Cybermen / The Age of SteelInfamy of the Zaross Sword of the Chevalier Cold Vengeance The Taste of Death The Idiot's LanternThe Impossible Planet / The Satan Pit
The Nightmare of Black Island The Art of Destruction The Price of Paradise Love and MonstersFear Her Army of Ghosts / Doomsday
Travelling aloneThe Runaway BrideThe Warkeeper's Crown MarthaSmith and Jones The Shakespeare CodeGridlock
Quiet on the Set Facades / Endgame Daleks in Manhattan / Evolution of the Daleks
The Woman Who Sold the World Bus Stop The First Death to the Doctor! Universal Monsters Backtrack The Lazarus Experiment
Made of Steel Sting of the Zygons The Last Dodo Wooden Heart 42The Infinite Quest Human Nature / The Family of BloodForever Autumn Sick Building Wetworld
Wishing Well The Pirate Loop Peacemaker Martha in the Mirror Snowglobe 7 The Many Hands Agent Provocateur Black Death White Life The Weeping Breathing Space The Frozen Wastes Star-Crossed The Mystery of the Haunted Cottage A Little Help From My Friends BlinkUtopia / The Sound of Drums / Last of the Time Lords
Travelling aloneTime Crash Voyage of the Damned Hotel Historia Hounded Death in the New Forest The Skies of New Earth Free Speech DonnaPartners in CrimeThe Fires of PompeiiPlanet of the OodGhosts of India The Doctor Trap The Shining Darkness Death's Deal The Sontaran Strategem / The Poison SkyThe Doctor's Daughter The Unicorn and the Wasp
Pest Control The Forever Trap The Nemonite Invasion The Widow's Curse Technophobia Time Reaver Death and the Queen Silence in the Library / Forest of the Dead
Out of the World Spinvasion The Sorcerer of Albion The Chiswick Cuckoos In the Blood Beautiful Chaos Wild Pastures No Place One Mile Down The Creeping Death MidnightTurn LeftThe Stolen Earth / Journey's EndTravelling alone The Time of my Life The Forgotten Expiry Dating The Eyeless The Rising Night Churchill Victorious The Cats of New Cairo Zero Space Collision Course Precious Annihilation Ghosts A Brave New World Soul Music The Next DoctorMajenta
Thinktwice The Stockbridge Child Mortal Beloved The Age of Ice The Deep Hereafter Onomatopoeia Ghosts of the Northern Line The Crimson Hand Dalek UniverseBuying Time / The Wrong Woman The House of Kingdom TBA TBA TBA TBA The Dalek Defence The Triumph of Davros Travelling alonePlanet of the Dead
Judgement of the Judoon Prisoner of the Daleks The Slitheen Excursion The Taking of Chelsea 426 Autonomy The Krillitane Storm The Day of the Troll The Last Voyage Dead Air The Wedding of Sarah Jane SmithGabby & Cindy
Revolutions of Terror The Arts in Space The Weeping Angels of Mons Echo Laundro-Room of Doom The Fountains of Forever Spiral Staircase Sins of the Father Four Doctors The Singer, Not the Song Medicine Man Arena of Fear Lady of the Blue Box The Wishing Well Witch The Infinite Corridor The Jazz Monster Music Man Revolving Doors Old Girl Breakfast at Tyranny's Sharper Than a Serpent's Tooth Supremacy of the Cybermen The Long Con The Promise The Lost Dimension The Ghost Ship Nurse Who? Vortex Butterflies The Good Companion Meddling with TimeThe Time Machination Silver Scream Fugitive Tesseract Dont Step on the Grass Old Friend Final Sacrifice The Waters of Mars
Time Lord VictoriousThe Knight, The Fool and The Dead Tales from the Dark Times The Minds of Magnox All Flesh is Grass Final HolidayOut of Time The Shattered Hourglass Dreamland
The Day of the Doctor
Echoes of Extinction Last Chance The End of Time
The Jago & Litefoot Revival The End of Time (Iāve not spaced out the River audios, this is because I suspect that when she crops in DU, itāll probably be treated as though theyāve had many adventures before so itāll make sense to have the whole 10 & River set precede DU, and also because I suspect weāll eventually end up with so many 10/River audios that itāll become pointless trying to slot them around other stories to space them out. Also because I like release order.) And then with the EU stuff added, it starts to look *something* like this. |
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Apr 21, 2021 11:18:08 GMT
I think Last Chance takes place during The End of Time, themeddlingmonk , as it references the "final reward". Rather than final reward, he actually says last or final holiday. And thereās no hint of him being in the process of the dying in the story, but he does say that he has somewhere he needs to go and has to go alone and also says that heās going to end his holiday after this adventure, so itās open to interpretation but I feel like it sits better right before The End of Time, with the Doctor finally resolving to go to the Ood Sphere. |
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Post by shallacatop on Jun 2, 2021 13:08:49 GMT
I'd just put The Gates of Hell after Out of Time for the sake of neatness. There's nothing explicit in there that I picked up on, other than it's post-Time Crash and it uses the 2008 theme (which would make it post-Time Crash anyway!). If that ending is picked up on and both Doctors have further adventures, we may get a more definitive placement, but I'm not even sure if that's what it was hinting at! |
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Jun 3, 2021 15:30:38 GMT
I'd just put The Gates of Hell after Out of Time for the sake of neatness. There's nothing explicit in there that I picked up on, other than it's post-Time Crash and it uses the 2008 theme (which would make it post-Time Crash anyway!). If that ending is picked up on and both Doctors have further adventures, we may get a more definitive placement, but I'm not even sure if that's what it was hinting at! I personally put it before Partners in Crime, just because it felt like they were really surprised to see each other as though it hadnāt been that long since Time Crash. But yeah, it can practically go at any point the Doctor is alone, post-Time Crash so after Out of Time works. |
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Post by shallacatop on Jun 3, 2021 15:44:03 GMT
I'd just put The Gates of Hell after Out of Time for the sake of neatness. There's nothing explicit in there that I picked up on, other than it's post-Time Crash and it uses the 2008 theme (which would make it post-Time Crash anyway!). If that ending is picked up on and both Doctors have further adventures, we may get a more definitive placement, but I'm not even sure if that's what it was hinting at! I personally put it before Partners in Crime, just because it felt like they were really surprised to see each other as though it hadnāt been that long since Time Crash. But yeah, it can practically go at any point the Doctor is alone, post-Time Crash so after Out of Time works. Good shout. I think it really depends on whether that ending is picked up on. If it was even intended to be something; I really donāt know! |
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Post by fitzoliverj on Jun 3, 2021 17:09:31 GMT
Since 10 doesn't refer back to OOT #1, and acts like multi-Doctor stories are unusual, I would think he's unlikely to be experiencing these one after another (and, as you say, the ending implies otherwise anyway). On the other hand, if they *are* linked together, "Wink" will presumably give a strong indication of where it would haev to lie.
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Post by shallacatop on Jul 15, 2021 11:13:48 GMT
Weāre still between The Next Doctor and Planet of the Dead for Dalek Universe. The second set shows heās still affected by Donnaās departure, but no mention of the prophecy (which he had a few opportunities to mention if we were post-POTD!).
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Jul 20, 2021 23:14:37 GMT
Itād be nice if Dalek Universe ended up being pre-The Next Doctor, with the Doctor making a firm decision at the end that he no longer wishes to take on companions. Possibly with a suggestion that he fancies visiting a Christmas market or something as a cheeky lead in.
That way itād be plotted out so that right after Journeyās End he goes into the River Song set with Expiry Dating, plus the other two stories and probably some of the other narrated 10 content and cameos that have appeared in other BF ranges already. That gets him back into a degree of normalcy but heās still not far off Journeyās End and the loss of Donna is still raw. Then he gets pulled into the events of Dalek Universe and everything is brought bubbling to the surface and leads him to make his final decision that he no longer wishes to travel with companions, leading if not directly then just emotionally into the events of The Next Doctor.
And then hopefully we would pick up on the companion angst between The Next Doctor and Planet of the Dead with the Tenth Doctor, Classic Companions set.
I know Iām shoving a lot into one gap here but I think it makes sense with BF to start in the earliest possible gap and then work forwards. Take the Doctor on an emotional journey from the Series 4 finale, to his adventures with River Song, then his reunion with Anya and Mark until eventually we get to The Next Doctor, whereās its almost back to business as usual for him, except one major change in that heās now adamant that he travels alone.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2021 0:10:11 GMT
I havenāt finished set two yet so if my question/statement is answered just ignore me. But.
I donāt think the fact that Anya and Mark are his ācompanionsā this set is that contradictory to the next doctor. Its not like the doctor has a choice for all intents and purposes they are companions of circumstance. Same with river, although i guess she fits into the one off companion but still, much different to rose martha and donna which is the thing that the doctors avoiding in the specials.
Again though if this is addressed or theres somthing specific heās said or done later one in dalek universe 2 thats promoted this discussion then ignore me
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