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Post by fitzoliverj on May 6, 2017 20:44:41 GMT
Magically restoring the kids at the end felt a bit deux ex machina (it seemed a weird jump cut to go straight to the vault without the Doctor/Bill even checking on everyone properly), They should've restored the other people eaten over the years - and, yes, you're right about that jump, I reckon something was cut there. I didn't watch the basic version, only the 3D sound version on iPlayer.. maybe I got used to it as the episode went on, or perhaps they dialled it down, but it was much more effective at the beginning (hell, the instructions on how to listen had the best usage of the technique!)... I didn't think that the TARDIS should be quite that echoey, though, and I don't think putting 3D sound onto the dialogue was a good idea - but that thunderstorm at the beginning, and the knocking all round the house, every tv show should be like that! (But, oh, for a baddie who's actually bad. Will we find out that the Cybermen had a traumatic childhood? Is society to blame for Missy's actions?)
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 6, 2017 20:56:34 GMT
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Post by muckypup on May 6, 2017 21:05:35 GMT
Happy to see suchet back, but not as landlord....there's know where to take him.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 6, 2017 21:08:11 GMT
Happy to see suchet back, but not as landlord....there's know where to take him. I disagree. They could reveal his father was a Time Lord and he lived on Earth with his human mother, making him trying to preserve his mother even more poignant. Maybe he escaped his apparent demise but his mother didn't, and he could take his revenge on losing his mother on the rest of humanity?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 21:27:57 GMT
Reasonably stong mid-season ep. I found the scares worked and the body horror of the lad in the wall and the wooden "daughter" were wonderfully realised and quite stomach churning. David Suchet was great but he's DAVID SUCHET, as if he was ever going to be an issue!
If I say I thought it was the weakest of the season, it sounds critical but it's really an indication of how much quality I found in the first three. Mike Bartlett gave us a perfectly fine, spooky debut. Echoes of Chimes Of Midnight and Robert Wise's The Haunting in there. More than a few classic haunted/killer house tropes were deployed and sometimes inverted. Capaldi was hilarious with the Little Mix "We'll chill" scene. Just...perfect comic timing. Refusing to admit he looks old, munching prawn crackers when trying to figure out the mystery - very Doctor. Not sure about the chops of some of the cast here but they were there to be fodder and did just fine.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on May 6, 2017 21:59:14 GMT
I think that each episode has built on and topped the episode which came prior to it. Knock, Knock was effective, spooky and well realized. I think it may be my favorite episode thus far. And some movement on The Vault. And I'll just throw something out there, based on his remarks to Bill about Time-Lords getting hungry after regeneration and 12 bringing the occupant of the Vault dinner, could it be 13 locked away until the time is right?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 22:01:35 GMT
I think that each episode has built on and topped the episode which came prior to it. Knock, Knock was effective, spooky and well realized. I think it may be my favorite episode thus far. And some movement on The Vault. And I'll just throw something out there, based on his remarks to Bill about Time-Lords getting hungry after regeneration and 12 bringing the occupant of the Vault dinner, could it be 13 locked away until the time is right? Is it on earlier in the US now? Good news if so.
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Post by doctorkernow on May 6, 2017 22:05:46 GMT
Hello there.
Well now, funny, scary and rather odd, unsatisfactory ending. The first two thirds were excellent really building up the tension. The Doctor discovering one aspect of the mystery and Bill in the tower finding the wooden lady.
I would have liked the Landlord to have escaped to inflict another creepy house on some unsuspecting tenants in another university town. David Suchet did a great job as Mr. Creepy.
I'm enjoying the 12th Doctor this season. In the Vault: Missy, has to be unless the Cybermen have had music lessons...
"Ah, Doctor. We have achieved grade three piano. You cannot stop us from taking grade four piano in June..."
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Post by melkur on May 6, 2017 22:23:46 GMT
That waaaas alright, I guess?... Not my favourite episode of the series & no 'Chimes Of Midnight', but still decent enough...
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 6, 2017 22:25:26 GMT
When I heard the piano music, my first thought was 'We're going to see Doctor 13' and I was imagining a shot of Hayley Atwell playing the piano whilst the words 'Hayley Atwell Is The Doctor' appeared.
And then it cut away.
Oh well. I guess it at least delayed the Atwell dream if it's not her as 13 and/or in the vault.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on May 6, 2017 22:46:12 GMT
I think that each episode has built on and topped the episode which came prior to it. Knock, Knock was effective, spooky and well realized. I think it may be my favorite episode thus far. And some movement on The Vault. And I'll just throw something out there, based on his remarks to Bill about Time-Lords getting hungry after regeneration and 12 bringing the occupant of the Vault dinner, could it be 13 locked away until the time is right? Is it on earlier in the US now? Good news if so. No. I don't like commercials with my Who, so I find it by other means. All very 2005 when we didn't get it at all over here.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 22:47:03 GMT
They should've restored the other people eaten over the years - and, yes, you're right about that jump, I reckon something was cut there. I thought it was the case that the house/the creatures "eat" once every 20 years. It was time for them to feed after using all the energy of the 1997 batch so that's why Suchet has to get the new tennants. Thus there's nothing left to restore of the earlier ones as the enegy source must be exhausted hence the feeding begins again. The newbies had only been part of the process for hours so whatever ingestion process occurs was still in very early, reversible, stages.
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Post by sherlock on May 6, 2017 23:09:32 GMT
They should've restored the other people eaten over the years - and, yes, you're right about that jump, I reckon something was cut there. I thought it was the case that the house/the creatures "eat" once every 20 years. It was time for them to feed after using all the energy of the 1997 batch so that's why Suchet has to get the new tennants. Thus there's nothing left to restore of the earlier ones as the enegy source must be exhausted hence the feeding begins again. The newbies had only been part of the process for hours so whatever ingestion process occurs was still in very early, reversible, stages. I assumed the same thing. The jump was very sudden though, I thought iPlayer had glitched. If you really want to pick plot holes, the obvious one: What kind of freshers party has fireworks???
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Post by nucleusofswarm on May 6, 2017 23:21:57 GMT
I thought it was the case that the house/the creatures "eat" once every 20 years. It was time for them to feed after using all the energy of the 1997 batch so that's why Suchet has to get the new tennants. Thus there's nothing left to restore of the earlier ones as the enegy source must be exhausted hence the feeding begins again. The newbies had only been part of the process for hours so whatever ingestion process occurs was still in very early, reversible, stages. I assumed the same thing. The jump was very sudden though, I thought iPlayer had glitched. If you really want to pick plot holes, the obvious one: What kind of freshers party has fireworks??? Not impossible. I knew one who was a fire breather and walker.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on May 6, 2017 23:32:02 GMT
I agree, I just worked off the assumption that there was nothing of the previous victims left to restore. That at a 20 year interval the space lice would feed slowly. Which I think makes them even creepier and scarier. Also, I loved how Bill's flatmates reacted to seeing The Doctor. Rock star lecturer. I also thought it was interesting that Bill lied and referred to The Doctor as her grandfather and The Caretaker lied about his daughter being his mother.
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Post by shutupbanks on May 6, 2017 23:46:20 GMT
Good dumb fun: I did like the idea of the Doctor helping Bill move using the TARDIS. I wasn't so smitten with the resolution being as clumsy as it was: he "found" the lice in the garden? Why was there a 20-year gap between the killings? How did he cover it up? Far too many - dare I say it? - PLOTHOLES! These were all thing that could have been dealt with with a couple of lines of explanation.
Weakest episode of the series so far but really good fun nonetheless.
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Post by kimalysong on May 7, 2017 2:16:51 GMT
Well I didnt find the episode very scary until the bugs appeared. I admit bugs crawling out of the walls and over me *Shudders*
Suchet was very good as the creepy landlord but while I didn't see the twist at the end coming it kind of took away from him being an effective villain for me. I don't know once you know he was just a child trying to save his mother he's no longer scary. The bugs still were though.
I wasn't surprised that all of Bill's friends came back though. Can you imagine the episode ending with all of Bill's friends dead. That would be pretty bleak. They couldn't just go on another adventure and ignore the aftermath of something like that.
On a side note props to more diversity in the cast this week. I will say I think my favorite scenes were with the Doctor trying to fit in with Bill's friends. And when the Doctor and Harry discovered the bugs. They had a good double act going on there for awhile (well until Harry got eaten alive). The humor actually probably worked better than the scares overall in this episode for me.
But yes the vault scene probably was the most interesting. But now I am leaning towards it being the Master in there as well.
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Post by elkawho on May 7, 2017 2:21:51 GMT
I liked that, although I think I liked last week's better. I agree the ending was much too quick. And I agreed with The Doctor, no one stays in their room for 24 hours with the music skipping. I though that would have gotten picked up on immediately. At first I thought it was the Cybermen, but now I'm convinced that The Master is in the The Vault. He enjoyed hearing that the students died a way too much. I say he because I think it's Simm's Master, not Missy.
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Post by SG. on May 7, 2017 2:31:52 GMT
Read the interview with Bartlett in DWM. Apparently the house is based on the student area I live in RIGHT NOW.
So I'm slightly more terrified of sleeping tonight.
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Post by Timelord007 on May 7, 2017 7:21:03 GMT
I think it's The Doctor's in the vault albeit in a evil incarnation or cybernised form.
Another good episode,tense scary & emotional, David Suchet was fantastic & the twist that he was wooden moms son was great.
Pearl Mackie is like a breath of fresh air as Bill & Capaldi was on fine form channelling his inner Fourth Doctor eccentrics.
However these episodes would benefit from being 60 minutes long as i felt the pacing is rushed & we lose characterization along the way, we discovered nothing really about the students or The Caretakers past, my theory is he was a only child who's dad has died & is scared his moms terminal illness will make him a orphan & so he makes a deal with the insects to feed them in return for saving his mothers life.
The Musketeers episodes were 60 minute episodes & it worked great so why aren't the BBC doing this for there most popular imported show we've already lost a episode from 13 to 12?
Anyway this episode gets a 8/10 from me.
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