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Post by Timelord007 on May 9, 2017 6:49:36 GMT
You know that Harry is Harry Sullivan's grandson... Does this still fit with BF continuity? Was it mentioned in the story? It was a cut line because someone believed that referencing a companion from the mid 70's would be too much of a continuity reference. Never mind that the last haunted house episode had the Doctor reference (and mispronounce) the planet his third regeneration was triggered on for a plot point (the Metabelis crystal). The only Big Finish continuity with Harry comes from Sarah Jane Smith, where by 2004-2006 he's off the radar enough that Sarah can't find him and that he has a brother. Not much work with, let alone contradict. Also, the previously unknown family trope rears its head. Damm, what a missed opportunity, we could've had another "Harry Sullivan is a imbecile" quote but this time from Capaldis Doctor
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on May 9, 2017 10:47:39 GMT
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Bowie contributed on an Album called Walking on Thin Ice which showcased material written and produced by Yoko Ono.
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That's it..! This week has been a write off for me barely any internets time for me..
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Post by escalus5 on May 9, 2017 14:07:14 GMT
It was a cut line because someone believed that referencing a companion from the mid 70's would be too much of a continuity reference. Never mind that the last haunted house episode had the Doctor reference (and mispronounce) the planet his third regeneration was triggered on for a plot point (the Metabelis crystal). The only Big Finish continuity with Harry comes from Sarah Jane Smith, where by 2004-2006 he's off the radar enough that Sarah can't find him and that he has a brother. Not much work with, let alone contradict. Also, the previously unknown family trope rears its head. Damm, what a missed opportunity, we could've had another "Harry Sullivan is a imbecile" quote but this time from Capaldis Doctor It would have been an unnecessary slam at a beloved character and pretty tasteless considering that Ian Marter is no longer around. Let's keep "imbecile" confined to the era where it belonged.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 18:42:50 GMT
Just finished watching 'Knock Knock' - blimey, that was good. A group of students could have been horribly cliched stereotypes, but I think this story avoided that. They were real, likeable people and I felt sad when a number of them appeared to succumb to their fate. I felt sorrier for The Landlord, when his troubles were revealed - and what troubles they were. Everyone's nightmare, really. And then, the aliens came to rectify things. Who wouldn't grasp the opporutnity?
But I felt sorriest of all for Eliza. What an actress Mariah Gale is. I'd never heard of her, but looking at Wikipedia, I see she's had a prolific career over the past 17 years. I can see why. She's the one who finally made Yours Truly teary-eyed. Brilliant. A frightening, tragic performance in a frightening, tragic story.
Murray Gold's music was especially good this week, and our three regulars are just exceptional every time. That's a given now. What a team.
A wonderful episode, and a fine addition to what is fast becoming my favourite series for a long time. And I speak as someone who never stops loving Doctor Who. Excellent.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 20:39:24 GMT
Even looser
Bowie contributed on an Album called Walking on Thin Ice which showcased material written and produced by Yoko Ono.
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He also performed a version of 'Knock on Wood' on his album 'David Live' - although I think that's an even looser link!
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Post by Timelord007 on May 10, 2017 6:36:42 GMT
After rewatching this episode & while i still enjoyed it, having the students be returned to life at the climax i thought diluted away the drama somewhat, yes it would of been a more downbeat ending but unfortunately in life people we care about die & we sadly don't have a magic reset switch to bring em back.
Warriors Of The Deep the conclusion saw a upset Doctor surrounded by a pile of dead bodies quoting "there should have been another way" this was dramatic & shocking as although the Doctor intervened there was a cost & people died, no magic reset button but i still remember watching that episode aged 9 & how it affected me
This is the trouble with the new series it doesn't take enough risks & goes for the syrupy endings.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on May 10, 2017 7:23:58 GMT
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Post by kimalysong on May 10, 2017 15:04:04 GMT
After rewatching this episode & while i still enjoyed it, having the students be returned to life at the climax i thought diluted away the drama somewhat, yes it would of been a more downbeat ending but unfortunately in life people we care about die & we sadly don't have a magic reset switch to bring em back. Warriors Of The Deep the conclusion saw a upset Doctor surrounded by a pile of dead bodies quoting "there should have been another way" this was dramatic & shocking as although the Doctor intervened there was a cost & people died, no magic reset button but i still remember watching that episode aged 9 & how it affected me This is the trouble with the new series it doesn't take enough risks & goes for the syrupy endings. A bunch of college students renting a house and then being sucked up by walls and eaten by alien bugs is also not a representation of what happens in real life though. I don't really see how a magical reset is all that out of place here. There was nothing dramatic about everyone "dying" either in this case so it didn't really take away from the drama of the episode. Did people really expect them to kill all of Bill's friends?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 15:13:01 GMT
After rewatching this episode & while i still enjoyed it, having the students be returned to life at the climax i thought diluted away the drama somewhat, yes it would of been a more downbeat ending but unfortunately in life people we care about die & we sadly don't have a magic reset switch to bring em back. Warriors Of The Deep the conclusion saw a upset Doctor surrounded by a pile of dead bodies quoting "there should have been another way" this was dramatic & shocking as although the Doctor intervened there was a cost & people died, no magic reset button but i still remember watching that episode aged 9 & how it affected me This is the trouble with the new series it doesn't take enough risks & goes for the syrupy endings. A bunch of college students renting a house and then being sucked up by walls and eaten by alien bugs is also not a representation of what happens in real life though. Maybe it should be though?!
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 15:56:19 GMT
After rewatching this episode & while i still enjoyed it, having the students be returned to life at the climax i thought diluted away the drama somewhat, yes it would of been a more downbeat ending but unfortunately in life people we care about die & we sadly don't have a magic reset switch to bring em back. Warriors Of The Deep the conclusion saw a upset Doctor surrounded by a pile of dead bodies quoting "there should have been another way" this was dramatic & shocking as although the Doctor intervened there was a cost & people died, no magic reset button but i still remember watching that episode aged 9 & how it affected me This is the trouble with the new series it doesn't take enough risks & goes for the syrupy endings. I didn't think it took an easy option. The Landlord and his mother died and all previous tenants stayed dead.
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Post by Tim Bradley on May 10, 2017 17:14:45 GMT
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Post by mrperson on May 10, 2017 18:18:31 GMT
While I haven't found any episodes this season to be great, I do think it is a improvement in episode quality.
I'll have to watch this again before making more specific comments, as I was a tad distracted at the time.
I recall being somewhat annoyed that everyone lived. I believed someone referred to the housemates as Bill's friends, but I didn't pick up on that. For example, the tall guy was trying to pick her up because he was unaware that she wasn't interested in men? It didn't seem like she was particularly friendly with any of them, and didn't react the way I'd expect if someone's friend just got sucked into a wall.
Sure, it'd be a bleaker start for her travels, but hey.... it's not all fun and games. I like my Who a little bitter.
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Post by mrperson on May 10, 2017 18:28:51 GMT
After rewatching this episode & while i still enjoyed it, having the students be returned to life at the climax i thought diluted away the drama somewhat, yes it would of been a more downbeat ending but unfortunately in life people we care about die & we sadly don't have a magic reset switch to bring em back. Warriors Of The Deep the conclusion saw a upset Doctor surrounded by a pile of dead bodies quoting "there should have been another way" this was dramatic & shocking as although the Doctor intervened there was a cost & people died, no magic reset button but i still remember watching that episode aged 9 & how it affected me This is the trouble with the new series it doesn't take enough risks & goes for the syrupy endings. I didn't think it took an easy option. The Landlord and his mother died and all previous tenants stayed dead. The mother was already dead and the landlord was the bad guy (that is, I find it rather hard to see it as good intentions gone wrong; you can't very well knowingly kill strangers and call it good intentions since you're doing it to save a family member). We didn't see previous tenants, and it's rather difficult to feel bad for an unknown number of unknown fictional characters.
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Post by mark687 on May 10, 2017 18:52:22 GMT
After rewatching this episode & while i still enjoyed it, having the students be returned to life at the climax i thought diluted away the drama somewhat, yes it would of been a more downbeat ending but unfortunately in life people we care about die & we sadly don't have a magic reset switch to bring em back. Warriors Of The Deep the conclusion saw a upset Doctor surrounded by a pile of dead bodies quoting "there should have been another way" this was dramatic & shocking as although the Doctor intervened there was a cost & people died, no magic reset button but i still remember watching that episode aged 9 & how it affected me This is the trouble with the new series it doesn't take enough risks & goes for the syrupy endings. A bunch of college students renting a house and then being sucked up by walls and eaten by alien bugs is also not a representation of what happens in real life though. I don't really see how a magical reset is all that out of place here. There was nothing dramatic about everyone "dying" either in this case so it didn't really take away from the drama of the episode. Did people really expect them to kill all of Bill's friends? Actually you raise a point there.
Are they her friends? Aside from Shreen they all seemed to be passing acquaintances who pulled their money in a house share.
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Post by bobod on May 10, 2017 22:12:43 GMT
We explicitly saw at the very start, didn't we?, that only one of them knew Bill and introduced her to the others.
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Post by Timelord007 on May 11, 2017 6:55:22 GMT
After rewatching this episode & while i still enjoyed it, having the students be returned to life at the climax i thought diluted away the drama somewhat, yes it would of been a more downbeat ending but unfortunately in life people we care about die & we sadly don't have a magic reset switch to bring em back. Warriors Of The Deep the conclusion saw a upset Doctor surrounded by a pile of dead bodies quoting "there should have been another way" this was dramatic & shocking as although the Doctor intervened there was a cost & people died, no magic reset button but i still remember watching that episode aged 9 & how it affected me This is the trouble with the new series it doesn't take enough risks & goes for the syrupy endings. A bunch of college students renting a house and then being sucked up by walls and eaten by alien bugs is also not a representation of what happens in real life though. I don't really see how a magical reset is all that out of place here. There was nothing dramatic about everyone "dying" either in this case so it didn't really take away from the drama of the episode. Did people really expect them to kill all of Bill's friends? Yes, because it would've been a gut punch shock & given the episode unpredictability, that's what's wrong with the current run of episodes it's lost the ability to shock & surprise.
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Post by kimalysong on May 11, 2017 12:34:30 GMT
A bunch of college students renting a house and then being sucked up by walls and eaten by alien bugs is also not a representation of what happens in real life though. I don't really see how a magical reset is all that out of place here. There was nothing dramatic about everyone "dying" either in this case so it didn't really take away from the drama of the episode. Did people really expect them to kill all of Bill's friends? Yes, because it would've been a gut punch shock & given the episode unpredictability, that's what's wrong with the current run of episodes it's lost the ability to shock & surprise. I don't agree that shock for the sake of shock makes for a stronger story. Don't get me wrong this was definitely not my favorite episode. It was enjoyable enough but I don't think it's going to go down as one of the most memorable. I just don't think killing off all of Bill's roommates (not friends I stand corrected) would have made the episode stand out more for me. For drama to work there has to be a point to it beyond shock value.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 22:59:04 GMT
Yes, because it would've been a gut punch shock & given the episode unpredictability, that's what's wrong with the current run of episodes it's lost the ability to shock & surprise. I don't agree that shock for the sake of shock makes for a stronger story. Don't get me wrong this was definitely not my favorite episode. It was enjoyable enough but I don't think it's going to go down as one of the most memorable. I just don't think killing off all of Bill's roommates (not friends I stand corrected) would have made the episode stand out more for me. For drama to work there has to be a point to it beyond shock value. Shock helps certainly, but it shouldn't be the only thing pushing your story. "17 Zebra" from The Equalizer is a story about a paramedic who is killing patients in the back of his ambulance. Pretty heady stuff on its own, but what makes the episode work is that there are very solid character-based reasons behind why he's doing it. If we don't see these kids again, then it probably would have helped an already solid story by making the threat real. However, if they do pop up again, then I can understand why they didn't do it.
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Post by Timelord007 on May 12, 2017 7:20:26 GMT
Thing is i predicted Bills flatmates would be revived at the conclusion of the episode & i shouldn't have been able to have predicted that, i just find that the last few seasons it's lost it's potential to shock or surprise, killing Bills flatmates would've highlighted to Bill that nobody is safe when the Doctors around & make her question is travelling with him a good idea or a dangerous one?
Maybe it's just me being out of touch withthe newer series episodes as I've said I'm loving Big Finish more & the new series less & less.
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Post by bobod on May 12, 2017 8:52:06 GMT
The plot as stated in the episode wouldn't have supported them staying dead at the end. We were told that the lifeforce of the new tenants kept the house going for twenty years at a time. So on the same day (or a day later) they'd still be fresh and able.
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