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Post by mark687 on May 14, 2017 13:12:15 GMT
'The Veritas. The truth. Truth so true you can't live with it. Is that looking into hell... or seeing the light?' Everyone who has ever read the Veritas has been found dead. In a forbidden library at the heart of the Vatican, the pope urges the Doctor to read the ancient text - but can he handle the truth?
The Doctor Peter Capaldi Bill Pearl Mackie Nardole Matt Lucas Missy Michelle Gomez Moira Jennifer Hennessy Cardinal Angelo Corrado Invernizzi The Pope Joseph Long Penny Ronke Adekoluejo Rafando Ivanno Jeremiah Piero Francesco Martino Pentagon Woman Alana Maria Nicholas Laurent Laurel Monk Jamie Hill Voice of the Monks Tim Bentinck Director Daniel Nettheim
This has the potential to be one most long discussed Eps ever in terms of story arc and setting.
Is this the first time a leader of a Faith has been a prominent character in a modern day set TV Ep?
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mark687
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Post by mark687 on May 20, 2017 19:22:08 GMT
well that was different wasn't it?
Essentially a 45 minute prologue
Very good from Capaldi and Lucas not quite sure we waited 6 weeks for that Missy bit.
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mark687
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Post by sherlock on May 20, 2017 19:28:18 GMT
Well that was a mind-bender, and a highly entertaining one at that.
And my vault theory was right.
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Post by muckypup on May 20, 2017 19:29:49 GMT
Not sure what to make of that.....iniatial reaction is WTF
Either is super clever and way over my head....or just a bit rubbish.....
Liked bill and nardole even more, but the doctor is blind got very tiresome very quickly
Is it just me, but were the walking corpses just a bit much for 7:30?
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Post by chopper on May 20, 2017 19:36:30 GMT
As a first parter of a notional trilogy - I will give it a pass.
Hard to be truly satisfied as there was no great problem defeated as of yet. And even the Missy non death was obvious knowing that the vault occupant was very much alive.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on May 20, 2017 20:08:14 GMT
Hard to make a definite verdict, as multi parters live and die by the sum, rather than individual elements. As far as setup goes, it's good. Tense, mysterious, even has some teeth to it.
Also, feels very RTD era Moffat, even using some similar ideas to his stories from those eras. While throwback gets thrown around every time Mofffat does a scary rather than funny episode, this really did feel like it came from that time.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on May 20, 2017 20:08:53 GMT
Like, really, anyone else feel this felt more like Davies Moffat than Moffat-era Moffat?
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Post by acousticwolf on May 20, 2017 20:29:59 GMT
Honestly? I'm with muckypup on this one. I'm hoping the bubble hasn't burst but time will tell (it always does). Cheers Tony
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 20:31:16 GMT
Adored it - ridiculously ambitious, relentless and bold. Angels and Demons meets Cronenberg's Existenz but all in a Doctor Who shaped box.
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Post by The Matt on May 20, 2017 21:17:38 GMT
Weakest episode yet of a great run. Nothing much actually happened. The Doctors blindness grew very old very quickly.
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Post by christmastrenzalore on May 20, 2017 21:22:54 GMT
I really liked that. Ballsy move to have the whole thing a simulation. For me, the build up of the mystery, and the emotional fall-out of the revelation made it all worth-while. Also, figured it was the ol' "too obvious to be the Master, therefore it's definitely the Master" gambit. Just wasn't sure if it was Missy or Saxon. It was a little oddly paced, especially the sprinkled in flash-back scenes, which made the episode's footing a little shaky, but in the end it absolutely stuck the landing.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on May 20, 2017 21:33:14 GMT
Adored it - ridiculously ambitious, relentless and bold. Angels and Demons meets Cronenberg's Existenz but all in a Doctor Who shaped box. Nailed it in one. And good call on Existenz. I was going to say Doctor Who meets The Matrix meets James Bond. This is a prime Moffat. Playing with big ideas on a big scale. I loved the framing device of the "real" Doctor saving Missy only to lock her up. I loved the way the show uses River Song as a character without her being there. I love the sense of dread the episode generates. For all those people who complain about modern Who being too quick to finish things up, well, this was very much the first act of a 3 act play. I can see how this will divide people but honestly I think this is just about as good as Doctor Who gets. This really feels like a good man getting to go to war.
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Post by mrperson on May 20, 2017 21:41:26 GMT
They're airing these on Fridays now in the UK or?
I'm trying not to read the comments, but the dateline in the thread title is 5/19. If it'd been shown in the US on 5/19, I should have it already (on amazon), but I don't.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on May 20, 2017 21:47:47 GMT
They're airing these on Fridays now in the UK or? I'm trying not to read the comments, but the dateline in the thread title is 5/19. If it'd been shown in the US on 5/19, I should have it already (on amazon), but I don't. The date line is incorrect. Aired 5/20.
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Post by melkur on May 20, 2017 21:57:57 GMT
That waaaaas fine, I guess?... I'm going to need the other two parts of this story for a better 'feel' for it, but it was fine?...
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Post by pazzer on May 20, 2017 22:23:40 GMT
My favourite episode of the series so far. 9/10.
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Post by shutupbanks on May 21, 2017 1:02:24 GMT
I loved most of it: the set-up, the simulation twist, even the way the Doctor got around his blindness. I did feel it was a little "meh" near the end but I'm betting that if I watch the three parts in one go it would feel more like breathing space before the plot kicks in a bit more. The Missy flashbacks were good but relied upon the Doctor's reputation preceding him too much to be effective - something 12 hasn't had much occasion to rely on compared to 11. I did like the almost-casual reveal of who was in the vault - there would have to be a bit more to the story than that though...
I'm with other commenters in that I might reserve judgement until the whole story has finished.
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Post by kimalysong on May 21, 2017 2:02:50 GMT
Thankfully no one spoiled this episode for me because I didn't see the twist coming and I loved it.
It's true I won't be able to fully judge this story until we got the other 2 episodes but I think as a standalone this was a great episode of science fiction.
Edit: Also I fixed the date at the top!
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Post by Audio Watchdog on May 21, 2017 3:25:18 GMT
Thankfully no one spoiled this episode for me because I didn't see the twist coming and I loved it. It's true I won't be able to fully judge this story until we got the other 2 episodes but I think as a standalone this was a great episode of science fiction. Edit: Also I fixed the date at the top! I would agree that both the A & B stories worked and resolved themselves while also setting up the larger picture.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 6:59:34 GMT
I really enjoyed it but once the twist was revealed, then plot holes big enoigh for the TARDIS to tow the Earth through appeared.
Plus I felt let down by the flashback sequences having nothing at all to do with the story that was going on. That sort of narrative device builds an expectation that the two strands will link together and they didn't. Its like this was just the episode where there was most space to be able to squeeze out five minites for the flashbacks.
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