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Post by whiskeybrewer on Aug 4, 2017 11:46:05 GMT
Thread Bump lol
Well I finally found the notes I made on how I would have released the Novel Adapations, so they weren't all bunched together. Which is partly why the range wasn't as successful as it could have been. Here Goes:
Love and War - October 2012 (Keep it here as it fits) The Highest Science - October 2014 The Romance of Crime/The English Way of Death - April 2015 (Limited Edition Bookset) Damaged Goods - October 2015 The Well-Mannered War - March 2016 Theatre of War/All-Consuming Fire - August 2016 (Limited Edition Bookset) Nightshade - January 2017 Original Sin - June 2017 Cold Fusion - December 2017
I feel doing it like that with 5-6 months gaps between releases once they'd properly started with The Highest Science could have worked remarkably well. And we'd still be looking forward to one lol
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Post by newt5996 on Aug 4, 2017 19:12:16 GMT
That's what I subscribe to (I'm an "everything and the kitchen sink" fan, sort of like Lance Parkin). That said half of the stuff about parent, birth (though a birth to me could easily mean born from a loom, but that's just me) and any talk of the Doctor having children etc could be referring to the Other's family (or even one of the "Morbius" Doctor's with Patience as implied by 'The Infinity Doctors'). As for Susan, she was right in 'Lungbarrow', she is the Doctor's granddaughter as the Doctor does have the mind and memories (albeit in a amnesiac way) of the Other even if his body isn't 100% genetically the same. It isn't really that hard to fit that stuff in, really. It is like the fact we see children in that episode of NooHoo 'Day of The Doctor' which some take as de-canonising 'Lungbarrow' (presumably who haven't read it); well as that was a fair time after 'Lungbarrow' in which Pythia's curse is lifted and the Time Lords are made fertile again,
so this isn't really much of a continuity error. That's my take on it too. Figuring how the kitchen sink fits into the house is so much more fun than just dumping it in the garden. Good point, that could easily be used as an out from that continuity embrangle as well. Yeah, it's not so much an error as just, well, continuity. The idea of Romana opening up the Academy (as seen in Gallifrey) and mentions of the Great Houses in Neverland came from that same novel as well, so Lungbarrow isn't quite as isolated as it first appears. As for 'Human Nature', I think it is different enough to the novel that I can accept it as a different but similar event (especially due to, as you say, things like the Time War and Faction Paradox). Cornell (who famously stated their is no canon) addressed this as not making it so the novel didn't happen as it is his view that the Doctor probably does experience the same events on a number of occasions. At the same time if I have to chose which version of Doctor Who is my idea of more "canon" (not that there is quite an official one) it would be the original show (as much as I am loathe to admit that McCoy's first season or the Graham Williams era happened, but that is just me) plus the NAs with Big Finish unless they contradict something from the show or NAs too much. I know that may not be a popular view but back in the day™ Virgin and the BBC, as the rights holder, lead us to believe that the NAs were as much a part of Doctor Who and as official as the show that they were a continuation of ("we was tricked I tells ya"); I have generally got used to thinking of them as such. And that's not a bad assessment of it. Doctor Who is one of the very, very few shows where fanon is pseudo-canon and that can be wonderfully freeing as a fan. The events of (or within) a particular timestream are as real as you want them to be and creators always try to give people a leg up. Feel like Season 6B is genuine? Look up Terrance Dicks's World Game that codifies it. Don't like the idea? Simon Guerrier's The Black Hole is there to smooth out the edges. Struggling to put the TV Comics in? DWM comics have them be dreams the Doctor returns to when he rests and/or the NAs portray them as a product of the Land of Fiction. Again, it's all part of the fun really. And both dreams and land of fiction work together because all dreams are are a fiction the mind creates.
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Post by newt5996 on Aug 4, 2017 19:14:55 GMT
Personally I think we will eventually get a return to this range, hopefully with an adaptation of Blood Harvest and Goth Opera in a box set and then do special releases as sets. (Head Games and Milennial Rites work together in a fashion, So Vile a Sin NEEDS an adaptation and could be paired with Lungbarrow). So you never know.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Aug 5, 2017 11:31:29 GMT
Personally I think we will eventually get a return to this range, hopefully with an adaptation of Blood Harvest and Goth Opera in a box set and then do special releases as sets. (Head Games and Milennial Rites work together in a fashion, So Vile a Sin NEEDS an adaptation and could be paired with Lungbarrow). So you never know. Yeah I think if/when they bring it back the next release should be:
Blood Harvest/Goth Opera (Limited BookSet)
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Post by iainmclaughlin on Aug 5, 2017 14:08:24 GMT
In my heart I still hope that Time and Relative might be adapted. I'm a big Kim Newman fan. I'd love to listen to this on a cold winter's night as the wind howled outside...
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Aug 5, 2017 22:26:45 GMT
I will literally pay them NOT to adapt Lungbarrow.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 1:38:48 GMT
Personally I think we will eventually get a return to this range, hopefully with an adaptation of Blood Harvest and Goth Opera in a box set and then do special releases as sets. (Head Games and Milennial Rites work together in a fashion, So Vile a Sin NEEDS an adaptation and could be paired with Lungbarrow). So you never know. Yeah I think if/when they bring it back the next release should be:
Blood Harvest/Goth Opera (Limited BookSet)
Well, Big Finish apparently have the rights to Shakedown, so a combination Shakedown/Lords of the Storm release could be interesting too. I'd love a joint Set Piece/Lungbarrow set (you could call it Endings and Beginnings) and I think So Vile a Sin would be excellent paired up with The Room with No Doors.
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Post by omega on Aug 6, 2017 11:02:21 GMT
With Lungbarrow Marc Platt himself has ruled out an adaptation.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 14:07:36 GMT
With Lungbarrow Marc Platt himself has ruled out an adaptation. Well, he's kind of done a pseudo-adaptation for Big Finish already. It was called Auld Mortality and featured characters and concepts from the novel in a familiar, yet unfamiliar context. Lungbarrow's shadow has certainly popped up in Big Finish more than once. There is mention of Houses and Cousins in Neverland, Zagreus and Gallifrey. Gallifrey in particular borrows quite a bit from it, like opening up the Academy to non-Gallifreyans (which is a very prominent thread throughout Series 2), the Presidency and CIA fighting a shadow war, Leela and Romana as a duo, and Romana's attempt to broaden her people's horizons by opening up her homeworld to outsiders. Adaptation or no, it's certainly had a pretty sizeable influence on Big Finish lore. More recently though, there has been the novel adaptation of Cold Fusion. It's curious because, yes, the Doctor mentions that he was loomed in the House of Lungbarrow... Except, when asked if he is loom-born, the original novel has him answer: "I think so." In the Big Finish version, his answer is: "Unambiguously." It's a rather pronounced alteration and one made specifically for this new version on audio, integrated into the Big Finish timelines.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Aug 7, 2017 11:32:23 GMT
Yeah I think if/when they bring it back the next release should be:
Blood Harvest/Goth Opera (Limited BookSet)
Well, Big Finish apparently have the rights to Shakedown, so a combination Shakedown/Lords of the Storm release could be interesting too. I'd love a joint Set Piece/Lungbarrow set (you could call it Endings and Beginnings) and I think So Vile a Sin would be excellent paired up with The Room with No Doors. That's true you could, but I think with the booksets, I think they should only be books that either follow each other in the timeline or like Shakedown/Lords of the Storm are follow ons in story.
So Vile a Sin would be, but I think it should be a three disc story because of its size. Depending on what was cut of course.
That's why Empire of Glass/ The Dark Path would be a great bookset
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Aug 7, 2017 11:33:35 GMT
With Lungbarrow Marc Platt himself has ruled out an adaptation. Well, he's kind of done a pseudo-adaptation for Big Finish already. It was called Auld Mortality and featured characters and concepts from the novel in a familiar, yet unfamiliar context. Lungbarrow's shadow has certainly popped up in Big Finish more than once. There is mention of Houses and Cousins in Neverland, Zagreus and Gallifrey. Gallifrey in particular borrows quite a bit from it, like opening up the Academy to non-Gallifreyans (which is a very prominent thread throughout Series 2), the Presidency and CIA fighting a shadow war, Leela and Romana as a duo, and Romana's attempt to broaden her people's horizons by opening up her homeworld to outsiders. Adaptation or no, it's certainly had a pretty sizeable influence on Big Finish lore. More recently though, there has been the novel adaptation of Cold Fusion. It's curious because, yes, the Doctor mentions that he was loomed in the House of Lungbarrow... Except, when asked if he is loom-born, the original novel has him answer: "I think so." In the Big Finish version, his answer is: "Unambiguously." It's a rather pronounced alteration and one made specifically for this new version on audio, integrated into the Big Finish timelines. I suppose they could do Lungbarrow, without doing it I suppose lol well I would try and with have out theory to work it out lol
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Aug 7, 2017 11:34:59 GMT
Yeah I think if/when they bring it back the next release should be:
Blood Harvest/Goth Opera (Limited BookSet)
The problem is that Blood Harvest relies on actors from State Of Decay, but I'm sure they could work their way around it. And the way its done would probably mean it has to be a 6 parter. Also, Goth Opera would probably be difficult to do as there are some parts of Goth Opera which are very confusing if you haven't read Blood Harvest and, therefore, they'd only work as a box set. I think someone mentioned either in this thread or another about some characters being decendants of the ones from State of Decay, so that could sort it I think?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 13:01:58 GMT
I suppose they could do Lungbarrow, without doing it I suppose lol well I would try and with have out theory to work it out lol Well, they already have. I'd like a genuine adaptation of Lungbarrow, but I don't think we'll be getting it anytime soon. Well, Big Finish apparently have the rights to Shakedown, so a combination Shakedown/Lords of the Storm release could be interesting too. I'd love a joint Set Piece/Lungbarrow set (you could call it Endings and Beginnings) and I think So Vile a Sin would be excellent paired up with The Room with No Doors. That's true you could, but I think with the booksets, I think they should only be books that either follow each other in the timeline or like Shakedown/Lords of the Storm are follow ons in story.
So Vile a Sin would be, but I think it should be a three disc story because of its size. Depending on what was cut of course.
That's why Empire of Glass/ The Dark Path would be a great bookset
Mmm, you've got a point. So Vile a Sin could probably be a release all on its own and The Room with No Doors/ Lungbarrow a boxset instead. Oh, Miles Richardson's Braxiatel with Peter Purves's First Doctor sounds marvellous just from the outset and the dovetailing into The Three Doctors feels very Big Finish at the moment. Sadly, I think with the recent passing of Deborah Watling, The Dark Path has been relegated into the same space as Blood Heat. It was a very significant story for Victoria as well as Roger Delgado's Master. The problem is that Blood Harvest relies on actors from State Of Decay, but I'm sure they could work their way around it. And the way its done would probably mean it has to be a 6 parter. Also, Goth Opera would probably be difficult to do as there are some parts of Goth Opera which are very confusing if you haven't read Blood Harvest and, therefore, they'd only work as a box set. I think someone mentioned either in this thread or another about some characters being decendants of the ones from State of Decay, so that could sort it I think? I think that was me? The sudden inconsistencies with multiple villages and the "cloned" vampires all struck me as something that could very easily be altered into a story that takes place generations later. All that would be needed are a few lines about "Ivo, son of Ivo" and their species having genetic memory. I was a bit surprised that Dicks hadn't done it himself in the original story.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Aug 7, 2017 15:08:11 GMT
I suppose they could do Lungbarrow, without doing it I suppose lol well I would try and with have out theory to work it out lol Well, they already have. I'd like a genuine adaptation of Lungbarrow, but I don't think we'll be getting it anytime soon. That's true you could, but I think with the booksets, I think they should only be books that either follow each other in the timeline or like Shakedown/Lords of the Storm are follow ons in story.
So Vile a Sin would be, but I think it should be a three disc story because of its size. Depending on what was cut of course.
That's why Empire of Glass/ The Dark Path would be a great bookset
Mmm, you've got a point. So Vile a Sin could probably be a release all on its own and The Room with No Doors/ Lungbarrow a boxset instead. Oh, Miles Richardson's Braxiatel with Peter Purves's First Doctor sounds marvellous just from the outset and the dovetailing into The Three Doctors feels very Big Finish at the moment. Sadly, I think with the recent passing of Deborah Watling, The Dark Path has been relegated into the same space as Blood Heat. It was a very significant story for Victoria as well as Roger Delgado's Master. I think someone mentioned either in this thread or another about some characters being decendants of the ones from State of Decay, so that could sort it I think? I think that was me? The sudden inconsistencies with multiple villages and the "cloned" vampires all struck me as something that could very easily be altered into a story that takes place generations later. All that would be needed are a few lines about "Ivo, son of Ivo" and their species having genetic memory. I was a bit surprised that Dicks hadn't done it himself in the original story. Yeah I'd love a Lungbarrow adapt as well. But I also think that that should be by itself as well, but again it depends on how many episodes they do for it lol, but if they do pair it yeah Room with No Doors would work with it. Just realised I meant Twilight of the Gods rather than Empire of Glass lol, so silly, but yeah thats true actually i forgot The Dark Path was a Victoria story. Guess Titan Comics should do an adapt then Yeah it probably was you lol it was probably us talking about easy saves or alterations that lead to the Whiskey-Wolf Theory lol
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Aug 7, 2017 15:19:17 GMT
But yes thinking on it, The Empire of Glass would be a great one to adapt as well for the appearence of Braxiatel
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Post by dalektimecontroller on Aug 10, 2017 11:40:59 GMT
Well, he's kind of done a pseudo-adaptation for Big Finish already. It was called Auld Mortality and featured characters and concepts from the novel in a familiar, yet unfamiliar context. Lungbarrow's shadow has certainly popped up in Big Finish more than once. There is mention of Houses and Cousins in Neverland, Zagreus and Gallifrey. Gallifrey in particular borrows quite a bit from it, like opening up the Academy to non-Gallifreyans (which is a very prominent thread throughout Series 2), the Presidency and CIA fighting a shadow war, Leela and Romana as a duo, and Romana's attempt to broaden her people's horizons by opening up her homeworld to outsiders. Adaptation or no, it's certainly had a pretty sizeable influence on Big Finish lore. More recently though, there has been the novel adaptation of Cold Fusion. It's curious because, yes, the Doctor mentions that he was loomed in the House of Lungbarrow... Except, when asked if he is loom-born, the original novel has him answer: "I think so." In the Big Finish version, his answer is: "Unambiguously." It's a rather pronounced alteration and one made specifically for this new version on audio, integrated into the Big Finish timelines. I suppose they could do Lungbarrow, without doing it I suppose lol well I would try and with have out theory to work it out lol I'd like to see it in the Unbound range perhaps. So the fans don't get a headache trying to make it work out with the Big Finish/TV series continuity.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 13:26:43 GMT
I suppose they could do Lungbarrow, without doing it I suppose lol well I would try and with have out theory to work it out lol I'd like to see it in the Unbound range perhaps. So the fans don't get a headache trying to make it work out with the Big Finish/TV series continuity. whiskeybrewer and I might have a solution to that particular migraine, we believe that the Doctor has parents and was loomed both. We call it the Whiskey-Wolf theory: the Doctor was loomed in the House of Lungbarrow, but the majority of his genetic material came from his father Joyce and his mother Penelope who altered the loom's programming illegally. They likely had their son for his very early childhood before circumstances forced them to leave Gallifrey, placing him in the care of his doting "uncle" and kithriarch, Quences, (who gifted him the avatroid known as Badger who tutored him) and the housekeeper, Satthralope. His human qualities, such as possessing a navel and a particular fondness for the planet Earth, could be the product of either the Other (who was potentially human) or his mother (who was definitely human and makes an appearance in The Room with No Doors).
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Aug 11, 2017 11:49:01 GMT
I'd like to see it in the Unbound range perhaps. So the fans don't get a headache trying to make it work out with the Big Finish/TV series continuity. whiskeybrewer and I might have a solution to that particular migraine, we believe that the Doctor has parents and was loomed both. We call it the Whiskey-Wolf theory: the Doctor was loomed in the House of Lungbarrow, but the majority of his genetic material came from his father Joyce and his mother Penelope who altered the loom's programming illegally. They likely had their son for his very early childhood before circumstances forced them to leave Gallifrey, placing him in the care of his doting "uncle" and kithriarch, Quences, (who gifted him the avatroid known as Badger who tutored him) and the housekeeper, Satthralope. His human qualities, such as possessing a navel and a particular fondness for the planet Earth, could be the product of either the Other (who was potentially human) or his mother (who was definitely human and makes an appearance in The Room with No Doors). It always works.
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Post by sherlock on Aug 11, 2017 12:06:48 GMT
I'd like to see it in the Unbound range perhaps. So the fans don't get a headache trying to make it work out with the Big Finish/TV series continuity. whiskeybrewer and I might have a solution to that particular migraine, we believe that the Doctor has parents and was loomed both. We call it the Whiskey-Wolf theory: the Doctor was loomed in the House of Lungbarrow, but the majority of his genetic material came from his father Joyce and his mother Penelope who altered the loom's programming illegally. They likely had their son for his very early childhood before circumstances forced them to leave Gallifrey, placing him in the care of his doting "uncle" and kithriarch, Quences, (who gifted him the avatroid known as Badger who tutored him) and the housekeeper, Satthralope. His human qualities, such as possessing a navel and a particular fondness for the planet Earth, could be the product of either the Other (who was potentially human) or his mother (who was definitely human and makes an appearance in The Room with No Doors). *Head canoned* It works nicely, could even shed light on why the Doctor's suffers with fear so much as a child as shown in Listen. Bereft of his parents and being raised by someone who considers him little more than a pawn in the family power games, what child wouldn't feel alone and afraid?
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Post by laughingdevil on Aug 13, 2017 2:57:12 GMT
It made no sense to release the adaptations out of order. Worse sense to let it be known that not all books in the series would get an adaptation. Total turnoff.
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