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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on May 23, 2017 10:36:50 GMT
This news has been all over Australian news sites.. disgusting.. I work with a Muslim guy, we are bro's.. He feels the same- he explained in great details how the Koran states any act of violence towards others is an act of violence towards your own etc etc..
It's horrible what is happening.. My favourite band of all time KISS are supposed to be playing there next week. We shall see if they cancel or not..
:-(
I just realised it's also the 1 year anniversary of that UK soldier that was beheaded too.. far out :-(
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 10:40:43 GMT
@brians praying your daughter's friend is okay It does take a particular awful type of person to target a place they know many children will be at. And not be around to reap the consequences. That takes a particular kind of cowardice. My thoughts and prayers are with you, your family and friends, acousticwolf. I just can't get my head around anyone wanting to do this to our innocent, helpless little girls. When they come home and try to make sense of it all, remember to tell them it's not because of anything they did or who they were. It will never be their fault, even though -- irrationally -- they might see it that way. I won't go into details, I'll just say it's important.
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Post by sherlock on May 23, 2017 10:46:28 GMT
Thoughts are with those affected. This is terrible. A terrible, terrible act of malicious cowardice against innocents. I hope everyone and your friends/families affected are okay.
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Post by muckypup on May 23, 2017 10:47:58 GMT
Truly sickened. by this......I have nothing really to add, but just as sickened by the politicians who use this to hammer home their brand of politics.......Andy burnham, Anna sobury & someone from from SNP who's name I didn't catch should all hang their heads.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on May 23, 2017 11:32:54 GMT
Woke up to this news this morning. I was completely shocked. Its heartbreaking. But the fact that as soon as people heard the news about it in Manchester a lot of people went straight there to help, given people places to stay, Taxi drivers doing free round trips to get others to safetly and hotels offering rooms to those affected.
I saw a video of James Corden sending out a tribute to Manchester during his show and he's trying so hard to hold back the tears
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Post by doctorkernow on May 23, 2017 13:19:01 GMT
Hello again.
I was shocked by the news of the attack on children and their families in Manchester. Having children myself I could easily imagine the terror and grief caused by evil people whose only aim is to destroy.
My thoughts and prayers go out to all those affected by this ghastly event.
The only positive thing is that good people in Manchester have demonstrated what love means by helping those in need.
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Post by kimalysong on May 23, 2017 14:37:42 GMT
Does anyone know if there is a place to donate to the victim's families?
Thanks!
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Post by theotherjosh on May 23, 2017 15:10:44 GMT
acousticwolf , @brians , you guys are in my thoughts. I only know you through this board and I'm on the other side of the world, so I don't know how much this means, but so many people fall silent in the face of tragedy because they don't know how to respond. I can't think of any way that I'd be in a position to help, but please know that you have my thoughts and support.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on May 23, 2017 15:18:06 GMT
Our friends in the north, we have only our empathy and love to give you.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 15:47:58 GMT
Thankfully my daughter's friend got home safe and sound. It doesn't take away though from the fact that a lot of other people's friends and loved ones didn't and I can understand survivor's guilt a bit better now, it feels so selfish to be grateful that the people you know aren't the ones missing or dead, yet I can't help myself.
And it really helps to know there's a community here of caring people from around the globe who are there for us. I've never known another forum like this where everyone is so supportive of each other.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 16:00:37 GMT
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Post by kimalysong on May 23, 2017 16:05:25 GMT
Thankfully my daughter's friend got home safe and sound. It doesn't take away though from the fact that a lot of other people's friends and loved ones didn't and I can understand survivor's guilt a bit better now, it feels so selfish to be grateful that the people you know aren't the ones missing or dead, yet I can't help myself. And it really helps to know there's a community here of caring people from around the globe who are there for us. I've never known another forum like this where everyone is so supportive of each other. There is nothing to feel guilty about. We can be sad for others and still relieved and happy when we learn the people we care about are safe. I am so glad she came home safely.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on May 23, 2017 18:00:10 GMT
The youngest victim was 8.
Hope all of you and yours are safe.
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Post by acousticwolf on May 23, 2017 19:17:34 GMT
@brians has said everything I am thinking and I can't add anymore except thanks. We are the lucky ones today, our family and friends are safe and surrounded by those who love them. As hard as it is, we at least can pick up the pieces and help our loved ones recover. Others are not so fortunate and some are still searching for those missing. Our thoughts and prayers are with them...
Tony
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Post by Timelord007 on May 24, 2017 7:22:47 GMT
Just give a £50 donation, i wish i could do more & take away the pain of those who lost loved ones it's heartbreaking & i just have to stop watching the news because it was to traumatic, as a PTSD sufferer myself i know this incident will affect all those who were at that concert for life.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 8:47:37 GMT
Glad to hear that you and yours are safe, guys. Donation's in the web.
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Post by theotherjosh on May 24, 2017 14:03:50 GMT
( acousticwolf , @brians and whomever else may need it) PTSD overviews from Beyond Blue and SANE Australia, respectively. Good to know, just in case. The hardest part for me and my family was not recognising the symptoms when they emerged. I do want to echo this point. I wasn't sure how to share this, because I didn't want to tell the story in such a way that it seemed like I was making it about me. I grew up in a small town in New Jersey and I graduated high school in the 90s. With the advent of Facebook, I eventually reconnected with people I had known. One of them is a woman named T. We each have one daughter. Both girls are the same age and have many of the same interests, so while I wasn't all that close to her, I followed her updates with more interest than I might otherwise have invested. T settled with her family in Connecticut. They are one town over from Newtown, Connecticut. She said that if her house had been just a few blocks over, her daughter would have been in the Sandy Hook sending district. She would have been in the classrooms where the shooting occurred. Even at five years later, even at one degree of separation from the event, the thought of how close they came terrifies me. Her daughter didn't go to school with any of the kids who had been killed, but she had played against them in various sports matches. That's a connection that hadn't occurred to me and it was like a surprise punch to the gut. My daughter sometimes asks me what frightens me and I always give her a sarcastic non-answer, because she doesn't need to shoulder that burden, but it's this. That there will be some act of violence and I won't be there to protect her. It terrifies me, right down to my core. I guess what I'm saying here is take care of yourselves, acousticwolf , @brians . Take care of your kids, but this is hard on you too. It can sneak up and hit you in a way you don't expect. Don't neglect your own mental health.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 14:15:50 GMT
My daughter sometimes asks me what frightens me and I always give her a sarcastic non-answer, because she doesn't need to shoulder that burden, but it's this. That there will be some act of violence and I won't be there to protect her. It terrifies me, right down to my core. I guess what I'm saying here is take care of yourselves, acousticwolf , @brians . Take care of your kids, but this is hard on you too. It can sneak up and hit you in a way you don't expect. Don't neglect your own mental health. And I'll say this as someone's child: The fact that you are frightened for them at all makes you good parents, good people. No matter how powerless the fear can make you feel, it's just a mental sleight of hand. Fear always and ultimately exists for one reason and one reason alone. To be conquered. However overwhelming the tide may become, do not discount the fact that they are alive. Life... Life propagates endless possibilities for good. The fact that they're alive means more than the fear that they may not be. They and you are alive. Don't ever let fear stop you from living.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on May 24, 2017 15:18:19 GMT
Ok. Without emotion...
What do the people who do this hope to achieve?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 18:34:45 GMT
Ok. Without emotion... What do the people who do this hope to achieve? Wow. Short question, but so complex.to answer. I would imagine the aims are threefold. First, to spread fear. Not going to work. Second, to specifically attack something which is the antithesis of their own social structures (i.e. the freedoms our society accords to women). Thirdly, maths. Islam is already close to being the largest religion in the world. As long as each attacker kills enough people they'll eventually out-populate us. Brutal thought I know, and thank God they aren't operating at the scale it would take, but I genuinely think this is how their minds work.
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