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Post by sherlock on Jun 5, 2017 13:48:40 GMT
I really don't see social media as that important. I think Trump is proving how social media can actually be detrimental to governing sometimes. Why not delay her speech? Because as I said, Cobra comes first in times of crisis. Cobra has to be briefed on the situation as it unfolds, that's how our crisis response system works. *Just to clarify to any international posters, Cobra (Cabinet Office Briefing Room A) is a group of representatives from across government departments chaired by the Prime Minister who meet in times of crisis to co-ordinate the UK government's response* They will have an agreed time to meet though, so if they agreed say 10am why couldn't Theresa May have given a speech at 9am then met with Cobra? Maybe May wanted to wait to hear all the currently available information about the situation in the meeting before speaking? She's known for being quite a thorough person after all.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 5, 2017 14:11:00 GMT
They will have an agreed time to meet though, so if they agreed say 10am why couldn't Theresa May have given a speech at 9am then met with Cobra? Maybe May wanted to wait to hear all the currently available information about the situation in the meeting before speaking? She's known for being quite a thorough person after all. She must realise that it makes her look ignorant and uncaring.
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Post by bobod on Jun 5, 2017 14:23:03 GMT
I really don't see social media as that important. I think Trump is proving how social media can actually be detrimental to governing sometimes. Why not delay her speech? Because as I said, Cobra comes first in times of crisis. Cobra has to be briefed on the situation as it unfolds, that's how our crisis response system works. *Just to clarify to any international posters, Cobra (Cabinet Office Briefing Room A) is a group of representatives from across government departments chaired by the Prime Minister who meet in times of crisis to co-ordinate the UK government's response* They will have an agreed time to meet though, so if they agreed say 10am why couldn't Theresa May have given a speech at 9am then met with Cobra? Why are you so hung up on her making a speech?
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Post by jasonward on Jun 5, 2017 14:24:09 GMT
Maybe May wanted to wait to hear all the currently available information about the situation in the meeting before speaking? She's known for being quite a thorough person after all. She must realise that it makes her look ignorant and uncaring. As anybody whose read my postings on this thread will know, I am very long way from a fan of May, but I'm sorry, May has not appeared uncaring or ignorant in her response to the terrorist attacks. I personally would normally expect a Prime Minister to say little until after they had been briefed, and the fact that we are in purdah during the election campaign makes that doubly so when it comes to such a sensitive issue. Indeed during purdah, for me, it would have been better had she not spoken from Downing Street using the official emblem of office, but instead I would have hoped she had spoken outside Conservative central office as leader of the Conservative Party. HOWEVER, I would only expected her to do that AFTER she had fulfilled her official duties.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 5, 2017 15:00:26 GMT
They will have an agreed time to meet though, so if they agreed say 10am why couldn't Theresa May have given a speech at 9am then met with Cobra? Why are you so hung up on her making a speech? Because her not making a speech shows how much better Jeremy Corbyn is as both a person and leader of a political party IMO.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jun 5, 2017 16:11:11 GMT
I'm glad you are certain how you will vote on Thursday, but I don't agree with your reasons. There is so much more to running a country than just using social media and saying what you think people want to hear (no matter what a certain U.S. President thinks lol). You are indicating that the Prime Minister should stop what she's doing, just to send a tweet out (or post on Facebook etc). There are so many different issues going on at the moment, and for me it's very hard to come out totally for one side or the other. denyer97 , I'm so glad you and yours were ok. Cheers Tony EDIT: I'm curious as to what you think Labour would do to tackle terrorism more? Can you expand what you mean by humane methods? Labour would increase police forces and protection of the nation with more armed police, but at the same time they would also attempt to reason with the terrorists first rather than go in all guns blazing. If Doctor Who teaches us anything, it's that you should always try to appeal to the humanity inside even if it's the smallest flicker remaining. well, doctor who is fiction.And it's an overactive imagination, that let's anyone think that terrorists can be reasoned with, it would be easier, reasoning with a dalek.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 5, 2017 16:13:43 GMT
Labour would increase police forces and protection of the nation with more armed police, but at the same time they would also attempt to reason with the terrorists first rather than go in all guns blazing. If Doctor Who teaches us anything, it's that you should always try to appeal to the humanity inside even if it's the smallest flicker remaining. well, doctor who is fiction.And it's an overactive imagination, that let's anyone think that terrorists can be reasoned with, it would be easier, reasoning with a dalek. I don't think it would because The Daleks have never been human.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jun 5, 2017 16:18:40 GMT
well, doctor who is fiction.And it's an overactive imagination, that let's anyone think that terrorists can be reasoned with, it would be easier, reasoning with a dalek. I don't think it would because The Daleks have never been human. it's simple. Every one on here pretty much knows. If you, went to Qatar and net with the leaders of Isis, al-Qaeda, or any other radical group. We would see your severed head all over the internet. That's the truth, and it's a fact. You don't have to believe it, but that doesn't make it any less true.
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Post by jasonward on Jun 5, 2017 17:09:24 GMT
Anyone know why a "Khuram Butt" being named as one of the London Bridge attackers, seems so significant that the press are using as headline news?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 5, 2017 18:49:10 GMT
I don't think it would because The Daleks have never been human. it's simple. Every one on here pretty much knows. If you, went to Qatar and net with the leaders of Isis, al-Qaeda, or any other radical group. We would see your severed head all over the internet. That's the truth, and it's a fact. You don't have to believe it, but that doesn't make it any less true. I would go over there and recite the 12th Doctor's speech from The Zygon Inversion to them. If that wouldn't bring their humanity back, nothing will.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jun 5, 2017 20:26:30 GMT
The solution to Middle East extremist behavior remains simple. Leave. Continue the advancements in solar, wind & hydroelectric technologies. Solve the storage problem, update our energy grid and get out of the middle east. Stop using their resources and stop occupying their lands. We do that one simple thing and we completely undercut their primary line of propaganda. Israel remains a sticking point since we are no longer viewed as a neutral party in the region's disputes with Israel but if we were a energy independent country with no real financial interests in the region we would be able to function more as a neutral third party. With the money involved I know this is something that won't happen quickly or at all but part of any problem is looking for root causes. Our need for foreign oil and our decades long manipulation of governments in the region has played a large part in today's problems. None of that is in any way saying violent extremism is okay or justified. These attackers are butchers and murderers. Nothing excuses that. All I am saying is we have to look at causes and solutions because killing people isn't a answer.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 1:35:18 GMT
Labour would increase police forces and protection of the nation with more armed police, but at the same time they would also attempt to reason with the terrorists first rather than go in all guns blazing. If Doctor Who teaches us anything, it's that you should always try to appeal to the humanity inside even if it's the smallest flicker remaining. well, doctor who is fiction.And it's an overactive imagination, that let's anyone think that terrorists can be reasoned with, it would be easier, reasoning with a dalek. Daleks can be reasoned with. That's the problem. The Power of the Daleks is all about how they use the colonists' own petty political struggles to rebuild their power base and kill almost everyone on Vulcan. Plus, that also discounts the colony of Daleks who fled after their Civil War to set up a benevolent society on another world (re: Children of the Revolution). It was the humans who destroyed them by refusing to believe that the Daleks could change. All Daleks were the same to their eyes, it didn't matter that these were different. But if we want a better example, look to the Ice Warriors. "Cruel Martian invaders" and a "savage, warlike race" according to the Doctor initially, yet we see in The Curse of Peladon, Red Dawn, The Bride of Peladon and others, that's not true. They're a species that have learned from their past mistakes, enough to be proponents of the Galactic Federation. Better yet, how about the Draconians? That whole debacle in Frontier in Space was perpetuated due to a third party pretending to represent both sides and start a war. Someone was preying on their fear of the Other for their own benefit. Do you think that those on the ground in the Middle East caught in the crossfire of this disgusting fanatical display care any less for their children than we do? I'm not talking about those with the guns and bombs, I'm talking about people like the Israeli man who stood before the American soldier who shot his son and said -- "I will not kill you. The killing stops with me." The mothers, fathers, and children who are killed by the pathetic bullies that think this is how to be happy in the world. The problem isn't that there is no one to reason with, the problem is finding those who can be. They always exist. Otherwise, there wouldn't have been perestroika in Russia and disarmament. It's an inevitable part of any war, it must end. What's disturbing is how many people are killed before someone -- I don't care who -- is brave enough to find someone else who agrees with them that it has to stop.
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