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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 8:50:18 GMT
Worlds gone bloody mad, stop the hating against humanity & embrace the love & the many cultural histories of the world. You know what I think the problem is? There are those who are frightened of losing their sense of importance, their own feeling of being unique or special in the cosmos. They fail to recognise that this uniqueness isn't in what they are, but rather what they do. A terrorist is no different than any other faceless thug. No one remembers your name, no one knows what hardships you may have gone through. You choose to murder, harm and destroy those who cannot defend themselves, you achieve nothing. You achieve worse than nothing, you diminish yourselves in the process. You lose that special, powerful and unique thing that made you what you were because you deprived others of that same indescribable magic of personality and identity. And that's the great secret. Cultures may merge, but they never truly die. I rewatched a video today of a Japanese song translated and sung in Russian as an English speaker. Three societies removed and I can still appreciate the wondrous power of this new international world. Let it be wondrous. Enrich yourselves by enriching others. Because all you succeed in doing by destroying others is destroying yourselves. No one will remember you. No one will want to.
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Post by acousticwolf on Jun 4, 2017 9:01:17 GMT
My friend (whose daughter was at the Manchester Arena) is heading off to the One Love concert today. I'll be honest, she's much braver than I and has my total respect.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jun 4, 2017 11:22:02 GMT
I saw one of those people on Twitter too. These are the same type of people who said the Sandy Hook massacre was also a conspiracy. This same person also believes the Earth is flat. There were a lot of good people who helped each other out but a lot of people also used this to spread false information which makes me angry. Lot of people tweeted info about fake children and now I learned that all the tweets that there were unaccompanied children in hotels was also fake (and I tweeted some of this info myself thinking it was in good faith). I don't understand why people would take advantage of a tragedy like that just so they could get retweets on Twitter. That's just sick. Yeah, the conspiracy nut jobs like Alex Jones of Info Wars and the ones who actually take him seriously are completely deluded and cut off from reality. not much we agree on, but those nutjobs are living in a fantasy land.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jun 4, 2017 20:49:36 GMT
The Panic President. Good lord I just want Trump to go away so the adults can come back and do their jobs. To all our friends on this board in the UK, we stand with you. We weep with you. We support you. That thing in the White House does not speak for most of us. As Khan’s full remarks make clear, the mayor was not soft-pedaling the attack, which he condemned in blunt terms. Rather, he was saying that the increased police presence offered no need for additional concern. It comes as no shock by now that Trump would misrepresent comments or take them badly out of context for his own political gain, but the tactic is no less distasteful for being habitual. In the broader context of his statement, Khan was making an argument about how populations should react to terrorism: With anger, with sadness, with rejection, but also with courage and a refusal to given in to fear.
Predicating the public response to terror attacks based on interpretations of “what the terrorists want” is a slippery, trap-laden, and often self-serving approach. For example, cracking down on civil liberties after a terrorist attack is not unwise “because it’s what the terrorists want,” but because cracking down on civil liberties is unwise and immoral per se. However, if there is one thing that it is safe to say terrorists want, it is to sow terror. It’s the definition of the term: political violence meant to seed fear and intimidation. Hence Khan’s statement that “we will never let them win, nor will we allow to cower our city.”
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Post by jasonward on Jun 4, 2017 21:00:22 GMT
When I saw a BBC news report about Trumps tweets, I was utterly disgusted, to attempt to make political capital by lying about peoples deaths is below the level of pond scum.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jun 4, 2017 21:12:18 GMT
We need more political leaders like Mayor Khan and less like the freak currently living in the White House.
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Post by acousticwolf on Jun 4, 2017 21:28:23 GMT
I'm not sure Corbyn's and Leanne Wood's comments are appropriate tonight. At a time when the major political parties have supposedly suspended campaigning, they strike me as being cheap political shots.
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Post by mark687 on Jun 4, 2017 21:33:35 GMT
I'm not sure Corbyn's and Leanne Wood's comments are appropriate tonight. At a time when the major political parties have supposedly suspended campaigning, they strike me as being cheap political shots. Corbyn's been purposing less spending all round on defence all campaign.
And so much for campaigning being suspended today out of respect.
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Post by jasonward on Jun 4, 2017 22:13:15 GMT
I'm not sure Corbyn's and Leanne Wood's comments are appropriate tonight. At a time when the major political parties have supposedly suspended campaigning, they strike me as being cheap political shots. Of the main parties, Thersa May was the first to start campaigning again with here "enough is enough" speech, that was around 12 noon, about 14 hours after the attacks.
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Post by jasonward on Jun 4, 2017 22:30:42 GMT
I'm not sure Corbyn's and Leanne Wood's comments are appropriate tonight. At a time when the major political parties have supposedly suspended campaigning, they strike me as being cheap political shots. Corbyn's been purposing less spending all round on defence all campaign.
And so much for campaigning being suspended today out of respect.
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mark687
Defence spending and Security spending (police and MI6) are different budgets, security services are the responsibility of the Home Office and Home Secretary, defence (the military) is the responsibility of the Ministry of Defence and the Secretary of State for Defence, whilst I'm not at all sure about the wisdom of cutting defence spending, it would certainly be possible to do so without effecting the spending levels on security. And whilst I am struggling atm to find actual numbers to back this up, I do know that security spending has been decreasing for years.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 22:57:26 GMT
However much the budget, I was very impressed by the response times of the London police. Seven or eight minutes between the first emergency call and first suspect downed, according to reports.
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Post by jasonward on Jun 4, 2017 23:17:48 GMT
However much the budget, I was very impressed by the response times of the London police. Seven or eight minutes between the first emergency call and first suspect downed, according to reports. Yeah, according the BBC timeline, from first 999 call to all three attackers being shot was slightly less than 8 minutes. A remarkable and hugely reassuring response time.
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Post by theotherjosh on Jun 5, 2017 1:28:16 GMT
I don't know if the Independent is a credible paper or not, but I saw this report online. Single police officer took on all three terrorists alone armed only with batonI read another piece that described how another officer tackled the attackers even though they appeared to be wearing explosive vests. We use the word "hero" lightly in the twenty-first century, but if anyone deserves that label, it's these people.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 2:40:51 GMT
It's not my city, hell, it's not even my country, but that doesn't matter -- I am extremely thankful for people like those officers.
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Post by dasmaniac on Jun 5, 2017 3:24:49 GMT
When I saw a BBC news report about Trumps tweets, I was utterly disgusted, to attempt to make political capital by lying about peoples deaths is below the level of pond scum. This isn't the first time he's done this. He's dome this with multiple attacks. He even congratulated himself after Orlando. He is an utterly contemptuous human being. He's a shameless opportunist. Always has been, always will be. He's also a hypocrite by praising the ruthless Egyptian dictator and lavishing praise on the Saudi's. He sold arms to a governmental that has a history of supporting terrorism. I didn't vote for him and certainly never would. His response is a far cry from George W. Bush's after 9/11. I never thought I'd wish that George W. Bush was President again.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 5:00:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 5:47:48 GMT
When I saw a BBC news report about Trumps tweets, I was utterly disgusted, to attempt to make political capital by lying about peoples deaths is below the level of pond scum. This isn't the first time he's done this. He's dome this with multiple attacks. He even congratulated himself after Orlando. He is an utterly contemptuous human being. He's a shameless opportunist. Always has been, always will be. He's also a hypocrite by praising the ruthless Egyptian dictator and lavishing praise on the Saudi's. He sold arms to a governmental that has a history of supporting terrorism. I didn't vote for him and certainly never would. His response is a far cry from George W. Bush's after 9/11. I never thought I'd wish that George W. Bush was President again. Here's the speech segment from Bush in question: That was 2001. It's now 2017... Sixteen years ago. Something has gone very seriously wrong somewhere...
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Post by acousticwolf on Jun 5, 2017 9:10:54 GMT
I'm not sure Corbyn's and Leanne Wood's comments are appropriate tonight. At a time when the major political parties have supposedly suspended campaigning, they strike me as being cheap political shots. Of the main parties, Thersa May was the first to start campaigning again with here "enough is enough" speech, that was around 12 noon, about 14 hours after the attacks. Personally, I took that as a response to the attack, rather than political point scoring. Unfortunately my respect for Corbyn has dropped after the last few days.
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Post by acousticwolf on Jun 5, 2017 9:15:05 GMT
However much the budget, I was very impressed by the response times of the London police. Seven or eight minutes between the first emergency call and first suspect downed, according to reports. I have a friend who is part of an armed response team somewhere in Yorkshire and he frequently tells of budgets, lack of resources, red tape, paperwork but they always respond as fast as they can, sometimes having to travel many miles to get to the situation (the Manchester Arena bombing being an example).
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Post by jasonward on Jun 5, 2017 10:24:09 GMT
Of the main parties, Thersa May was the first to start campaigning again with here "enough is enough" speech, that was around 12 noon, about 14 hours after the attacks. Personally, I took that as a response to the attack, rather than political point scoring. Unfortunately my respect for Corbyn has dropped after the last few days. Try imagining the exact same speech being said by Corbyn, does it sound political now?
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