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Post by acousticwolf on Jun 5, 2017 10:46:51 GMT
Personally, I took that as a response to the attack, rather than political point scoring. Unfortunately my respect for Corbyn has dropped after the last few days. Try imagining the exact same speech being said by Corbyn, does it sound political now? I have and no it doesn't - whereas Corbyn's does and his timing stinks. However, that is my own personal view and I'm not trying to persuade anybody otherwise. We all have our own views on the matter and doubt we will agree. I am what is classed as a "floating voter" at the moment, and things like this can make a big difference to how I decide to vote on Thursday.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 5, 2017 11:00:38 GMT
Of the main parties, Thersa May was the first to start campaigning again with here "enough is enough" speech, that was around 12 noon, about 14 hours after the attacks. Personally, I took that as a response to the attack, rather than political point scoring. Unfortunately my respect for Corbyn has dropped after the last few days. What? How can you lose respect for Jeremy Corbyn? He was the only one to tweet sympathy for the victims of the London Bridge attack. If anything I've lost more respect for Theresa May. She couldn't even be bothered to tweet anything, and it took her ages to make a speech. When she finally did say something, it was a carbon copy of her previous ones about terrorism this year. She also blamed terrorism on the internet, and came up with the ridiculous idea that the internet should somehow be regulated!
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Post by sherlock on Jun 5, 2017 11:09:58 GMT
Personally, I took that as a response to the attack, rather than political point scoring. Unfortunately my respect for Corbyn has dropped after the last few days. What? How can you lose respect for Jeremy Corbyn? He was the only one to tweet sympathy for the victims of the London Bridge attack. If anything I've lost more respect for Theresa May. She couldn't even be bothered to tweet anything, and it took her ages to make a speech. When she finally did say something, it was a carbon copy of her previous ones about terrorism this year. She also blamed terrorism on the internet, and came up with the ridiculous idea that the internet should somehow be regulated! If anything I've lost respect for both of them. Could neither of them wait one day before moving to politics?? I know May's speech wasn't overtly political, but it was not the same kind of speech she made after Manchester. And then Corbyn just threw out subtlety altogether and just gave a standard campaign speech criticising police cuts.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 5, 2017 11:12:12 GMT
What? How can you lose respect for Jeremy Corbyn? He was the only one to tweet sympathy for the victims of the London Bridge attack. If anything I've lost more respect for Theresa May. She couldn't even be bothered to tweet anything, and it took her ages to make a speech. When she finally did say something, it was a carbon copy of her previous ones about terrorism this year. She also blamed terrorism on the internet, and came up with the ridiculous idea that the internet should somehow be regulated! If anything I've lost respect for both of them. Could neither of them wait one day before moving to politics?? I know May's speech wasn't overtly political, but it was not the same kind of speech she made after Manchester. And then Corbyn just threw out subtlety altogether and just gave a standard campaign speech criticising police cuts. Jeremy Corbyn's just pointing out the truth among the lies. At least he actually bothered to tweet something straight away, rather than saying nothing until hours later. The Tories were also campaigning around the UK when the campaign stuff was supposed to have stopped out of respect.
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Post by sherlock on Jun 5, 2017 11:17:42 GMT
If anything I've lost respect for both of them. Could neither of them wait one day before moving to politics?? I know May's speech wasn't overtly political, but it was not the same kind of speech she made after Manchester. And then Corbyn just threw out subtlety altogether and just gave a standard campaign speech criticising police cuts. Jeremy Corbyn's just pointing out the truth among the lies. At least he actually bothered to tweet something straight away, rather than saying nothing until hours later. The Tories were also campaigning around the UK when the campaign stuff was supposed to have stopped out of respect. Doesn't matter what he was doing, or if he sent a 140 character sentence a few hours earlier, could he not have held back that speech until today at least?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 5, 2017 11:19:54 GMT
Jeremy Corbyn's just pointing out the truth among the lies. At least he actually bothered to tweet something straight away, rather than saying nothing until hours later. The Tories were also campaigning around the UK when the campaign stuff was supposed to have stopped out of respect. Doesn't matter what he was doing, or if he sent a 140 character sentence a few hours earlier, could he not have held back that speech until today at least? I don't see why he should have given the Tories continued their campaigning despite saying it would stop for a day out of respect. I would have done the same if I were Jeremy Corbyn and saw the Tories carrying on as normal.
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jun 5, 2017 11:49:24 GMT
I'm seeing now that the whole world may be divided on politics, not just America.
Still, the question remains unanswered, what do we do about the terrorists?
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Post by acousticwolf on Jun 5, 2017 12:07:10 GMT
If anything I've lost respect for both of them. Could neither of them wait one day before moving to politics?? I know May's speech wasn't overtly political, but it was not the same kind of speech she made after Manchester. And then Corbyn just threw out subtlety altogether and just gave a standard campaign speech criticising police cuts. Jeremy Corbyn's just pointing out the truth among the lies. At least he actually bothered to tweet something straight away, rather than saying nothing until hours later. The Tories were also campaigning around the UK when the campaign stuff was supposed to have stopped out of respect. To be honest ... and I'm not a Tory Sympathiser by any stretch ... but perhaps TM actually had more important things on her mind ... like being the Prime Minister in the midst of two terrorist attacks ... I would kind of expected her to be a little busy to tweet ...
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 5, 2017 12:22:38 GMT
Jeremy Corbyn's just pointing out the truth among the lies. At least he actually bothered to tweet something straight away, rather than saying nothing until hours later. The Tories were also campaigning around the UK when the campaign stuff was supposed to have stopped out of respect. To be honest ... and I'm not a Tory Sympathiser by any stretch ... but perhaps TM actually had more important things on her mind ... like being the Prime Minister in the midst of two terrorist attacks ... I would kind of expected her to be a little busy to tweet ... It doesn't take long to compose a quick tweet, and there is no reason why she couldn't have given her speech before the Cobra meeting rather than after. Jeremy Corbyn would have given his speech as prime minister before the Cobra meeting if he were currently in Number 10. He cares about the people.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 5, 2017 12:23:25 GMT
I'm seeing now that the whole world may be divided on politics, not just America. Still, the question remains unanswered, what do we do about the terrorists? Deport them to a remote wasteland with little to no human population, or strand the lot of them in the middle of the Amazon rainforest.
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Post by sherlock on Jun 5, 2017 12:28:18 GMT
To be honest ... and I'm not a Tory Sympathiser by any stretch ... but perhaps TM actually had more important things on her mind ... like being the Prime Minister in the midst of two terrorist attacks ... I would kind of expected her to be a little busy to tweet ... It doesn't take long to compose a quick tweet, and there is no reason why she couldn't have given her speech before the Cobra meeting rather than after. Jeremy Corbyn would have given his speech as prime minister before the Cobra meeting if he were currently in Number 10. He cares about the people. Cobra should take priority over speeches. Cobra is literally the most important body of government in times of crisis, speeches always come second. It might not take long to compose a tweet, but should Twitter really be a Prime Minister's priority? I don't even have Twitter myself so I'm not gonna criticise the Prime Minister for not using it.
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Post by jasonward on Jun 5, 2017 12:35:59 GMT
I would suggest presidents, prime ministers and even cabinet members the world over should only tweet in an official capacity AFTER it has been vetted by their department or in an unofficial capacity AFTER it has been vetted by their political strategy team.
Off the cuff tweets can all too easily miss the tone, be taken out of context, or just use the wrong words at the wrong time for no other reason than it wasn't thought through fully.
I don't want government by twitter, regardless of its complexion.
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Post by denyer97 on Jun 5, 2017 13:12:44 GMT
I'd rather Theresa May address the situation with the security services and make a full statement in public then tweet about it. I really don't think that her not tweeting is a particularly negative thing. I was at the entrance to the foyer at Manchester Arena as the bomb was detonated having just left the main concert area, thankfully no injuries at all to me or anyone I was with. Obviously these things have happened at a time when party leaders are going to be under even more amounts of public scrutiny but if anything, the last few weeks have showed me that id rather have Theresa May tackling this then Jeremy Corbyn.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 5, 2017 13:16:57 GMT
It doesn't take long to compose a quick tweet, and there is no reason why she couldn't have given her speech before the Cobra meeting rather than after. Jeremy Corbyn would have given his speech as prime minister before the Cobra meeting if he were currently in Number 10. He cares about the people. Cobra should take priority over speeches. Cobra is literally the most important body of government in times of crisis, speeches always come second. It might not take long to compose a tweet, but should Twitter really be a Prime Minister's priority? I don't even have Twitter myself so I'm not gonna criticise the Prime Minister for not using it. Why couldn't she have done her speech before the Cobra meeting though? It's not like she would have to have delayed the meeting had she done the speech early enough. When I vote on Thursday I am voting for Labour because I believe social media is becoming increasingly important and Theresa May not using the platform for a message after the London Bridge attack is disgusting behaviour from the prime minister.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 5, 2017 13:20:32 GMT
I'd rather Theresa May address the situation with the security services and make a full statement in public then tweet about it. I really don't think that her not tweeting is a particularly negative thing. I was at the entrance to the foyer at Manchester Arena as the bomb was detonated having just left the main concert area, thankfully no injuries at all to me or anyone I was with. Obviously these things have happened at a time when party leaders are going to be under even more amounts of public scrutiny but if anything, the last few weeks have showed me that id rather have Theresa May tackling this then Jeremy Corbyn. I wouldn't trust Theresa May. She is the cut-back prime minister. She has cut back on police, she wants to enforce cut-backs on the NHS, her government only had armed police around the country on bank holiday because of cut backs no doubt... The Tories limit our resources to fill their own back pockets. I fully believe Labour would do more about the terrorism, and will use humane methods too.
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Post by acousticwolf on Jun 5, 2017 13:30:52 GMT
Cobra should take priority over speeches. Cobra is literally the most important body of government in times of crisis, speeches always come second. It might not take long to compose a tweet, but should Twitter really be a Prime Minister's priority? I don't even have Twitter myself so I'm not gonna criticise the Prime Minister for not using it. ... When I vote on Thursday I am voting for Labour because I believe social media is becoming increasingly important and Theresa May not using the platform for a message after the London Bridge attack is disgusting behaviour from the prime minister. I'm glad you are certain how you will vote on Thursday, but I don't agree with your reasons. There is so much more to running a country than just using social media and saying what you think people want to hear (no matter what a certain U.S. President thinks lol). You are indicating that the Prime Minister should stop what she's doing, just to send a tweet out (or post on Facebook etc). There are so many different issues going on at the moment, and for me it's very hard to come out totally for one side or the other. denyer97 , I'm so glad you and yours were ok. Cheers Tony EDIT: I fully believe Labour would do more about the terrorism, and will use humane methods too. I'm curious as to what you think Labour would do to tackle terrorism more? Can you expand what you mean by humane methods?
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Post by jasonward on Jun 5, 2017 13:36:05 GMT
I'd rather Theresa May address the situation with the security services and make a full statement in public then tweet about it. I really don't think that her not tweeting is a particularly negative thing. I was at the entrance to the foyer at Manchester Arena as the bomb was detonated having just left the main concert area, thankfully no injuries at all to me or anyone I was with. Obviously these things have happened at a time when party leaders are going to be under even more amounts of public scrutiny but if anything, the last few weeks have showed me that id rather have Theresa May tackling this then Jeremy Corbyn. Whilst I don't agree with this, what actually worries me about this is yet again the whole of public policy and tone of government is being set by the terrorist agenda. The attacks are abhorrent, and we need the security services to be all over this, and we need to do the work to stop future attacks, but we need to also give this a sense of scale. In 2016 1,810 were killed in road accidents, way more than terrorists have killed. Terrorists agendas should not be setting the tone of our election, nor should that agenda dominate government and override everything else.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 5, 2017 13:43:55 GMT
... When I vote on Thursday I am voting for Labour because I believe social media is becoming increasingly important and Theresa May not using the platform for a message after the London Bridge attack is disgusting behaviour from the prime minister. I'm glad you are certain how you will vote on Thursday, but I don't agree with your reasons. There is so much more to running a country than just using social media and saying what you think people want to hear (no matter what a certain U.S. President thinks lol). You are indicating that the Prime Minister should stop what she's doing, just to send a tweet out (or post on Facebook etc). There are so many different issues going on at the moment, and for me it's very hard to come out totally for one side or the other. denyer97 , I'm so glad you and yours were ok. Cheers Tony EDIT: I fully believe Labour would do more about the terrorism, and will use humane methods too. I'm curious as to what you think Labour would do to tackle terrorism more? Can you expand what you mean by humane methods? Labour would increase police forces and protection of the nation with more armed police, but at the same time they would also attempt to reason with the terrorists first rather than go in all guns blazing. If Doctor Who teaches us anything, it's that you should always try to appeal to the humanity inside even if it's the smallest flicker remaining.
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Post by sherlock on Jun 5, 2017 13:44:14 GMT
Cobra should take priority over speeches. Cobra is literally the most important body of government in times of crisis, speeches always come second. It might not take long to compose a tweet, but should Twitter really be a Prime Minister's priority? I don't even have Twitter myself so I'm not gonna criticise the Prime Minister for not using it. Why couldn't she have done her speech before the Cobra meeting though? It's not like she would have to have delayed the meeting had she done the speech early enough. When I vote on Thursday I am voting for Labour because I believe social media is becoming increasingly important and Theresa May not using the platform for a message after the London Bridge attack is disgusting behaviour from the prime minister. I really don't see social media as that important. I think Trump is proving how social media can actually be detrimental to governing sometimes. Why not delay her speech? Because as I said, Cobra comes first in times of crisis. Cobra has to be briefed on the situation as it unfolds, that's how our crisis response system works. *Just to clarify to any international posters, Cobra (Cabinet Office Briefing Room A) is a group of representatives from across government departments chaired by the Prime Minister who meet in times of crisis to co-ordinate the UK government's response*
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jun 5, 2017 13:46:09 GMT
Why couldn't she have done her speech before the Cobra meeting though? It's not like she would have to have delayed the meeting had she done the speech early enough. When I vote on Thursday I am voting for Labour because I believe social media is becoming increasingly important and Theresa May not using the platform for a message after the London Bridge attack is disgusting behaviour from the prime minister. I really don't see social media as that important. I think Trump is proving how social media can actually be detrimental to governing sometimes. Why not delay her speech? Because as I said, Cobra comes first in times of crisis. Cobra has to be briefed on the situation as it unfolds, that's how our crisis response system works. *Just to clarify to any international posters, Cobra (Cabinet Office Briefing Room A) is a group of representatives from across government departments chaired by the Prime Minister who meet in times of crisis to co-ordinate the UK government's response* They will have an agreed time to meet though, so if they agreed say 10am why couldn't Theresa May have given a speech at 9am then met with Cobra?
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