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Post by aztec on Jul 2, 2017 12:47:28 GMT
Also, on the whole, I think his era's been pretty inconsistent and one of the worst eras in the show's history. Certainly not. Every series in the new era is stronger than any in the classic IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 12:55:04 GMT
And here are his series ranked for me: 3. Series 8 - 5.3 2. Series 9 - 5.3 1. Series 10 - 6.7 For me Series 9 8.5/10 Series 10 6.6/10 Series 5 6/10. BTW - I've changed my rankings. Also, do you mean Series 8, not Series 5?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 12:55:15 GMT
Also, on the whole, I think his era's been pretty inconsistent and one of the worst eras in the show's history. Whereas I'd argue it's been one of the more consistent, it's my personal favourite era of New Who and for me it rivals the 60's and the Hincliffe Years as one of the most enjoyable, but quality is in the eye of the beholder and that's part of the fun of this thread, everyone will have different opinions. True.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 12:56:35 GMT
Graph I've made representing the quality of Doctor Who, in my opinion, in terms of series:
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Post by aztec on Jul 2, 2017 13:00:37 GMT
For me Series 9 8.5/10 Series 10 6.6/10 Series 5 6/10. BTW - I've changed my rankings. Also, do you mean Series 8, not Series 5? Yes I do (whoops).
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Post by mark687 on Jul 2, 2017 13:22:54 GMT
12. Time Heist 11. Heven Sent/ hell Bent 10. Oxygen 9. Flatline 8. Mummy on the Orient Express 7. Listen 6. Zygon 2 parter 5. Kill the Moon 4. Knock Knock 3. Empress of Mars 2. Thin Ice 1. World Enough/Doctor Falls I don't think they're too controversial choices (Kill the Moon is bad science but a great character piece) Regards mark687 Interesting choices... A lot of Base-Under-Siege stuff there. Out of interest, do you prefer Heaven Sent to Hell Bent? Haven Sent if it was a standalone EP possibly 5th
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Post by fingersmash on Jul 2, 2017 13:38:24 GMT
Graph I've made representing the quality of Doctor Who, in my opinion, in terms of series: No offense but how are we supposed to understand what that graph even means when you haven't labeled your axes and you can't even see the x-axis?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 13:43:31 GMT
Graph I've made representing the quality of Doctor Who, in my opinion, in terms of series: No offense but how are we supposed to understand what that graph even means when you haven't labeled your axes and you can't even see the x-axis? Here you go:
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Post by fingersmash on Jul 2, 2017 13:46:00 GMT
No offense but how are we supposed to understand what that graph even means when you haven't labeled your axes and you can't even see the x-axis? Here you go: Understood now, thank you budnp
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Post by Barnacle Crawlins on Jul 2, 2017 13:49:15 GMT
Also, on the whole, I think his era's been pretty inconsistent and one of the worst eras in the show's history. Certainly not. Every series in the new era is stronger than any in the classic IMO.
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Post by fingersmash on Jul 2, 2017 13:54:38 GMT
As for my ratings? I've really enjoyed Capaldi's era. There were only two or three stories I actively disliked and series 10 has to be one of the strongest seasons we've had since the high points of Hinchcliffe. Ratings wise?
12. Mummy on the Orient Express 11. The Magician's Apprentice/The Witch's Familiar 10. The Return of Doctor Mysterio 9. Empress of Mars 8. Flatline 7. The Pilot 6. The Husbands of River Song 5. Last Christmas 4. The Zygon Invasion/The Zygon Inversion 3. World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls 2. Time Heist 1. Heaven Sent/Hell Bent (because no matter how bad Hell Bent was, Heaven Sent sits as one of the greatest hours of television ever produced)
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jul 2, 2017 13:56:52 GMT
1. Heaven Sent/Hell Bent (because no matter how bad Hell Bent was, Heaven Sent sits as one of the greatest hours of television ever produced) And honestly, Hell Bent isn't that terrible.
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Post by mark687 on Jul 2, 2017 13:56:52 GMT
I know I'm gonna sound negative, but... considering the amount of stories in Capaldi's tenure, here's my bottom 12: 12. Time Heist 11. Dark Water/Death In Heaven 10. Into The Dalek 9. Smile 8. The Caretaker 7. The Girl Who Died 6. The Woman Who Lived 5. The Lie Of The Land 4. Hell Bent 3. In The Forest Of The Night 2. Last Christmas 1. Deep Breath I only have 3 Eps I really disliked
In reverse order
3. Forest of the Night
(pre-school nonsense undercut with this really wrongly paced and driven debate between the Doctor and Danny Pink)
2. Sleep No more
(Boring in the extreme)
1. The Caretaker
(Meets Danny Pink, refuses a handshake, Pink launches into a brutal character assassination and forms the most negative view of the Doctor and his lifestyle possible and it runs through the rest of that series and is never resolved.)
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jul 2, 2017 14:20:14 GMT
1. Heaven Sent/Hell Bent (because no matter how bad Hell Bent was, Heaven Sent sits as one of the greatest hours of television ever produced) And honestly, Hell Bent isn't that terrible. It gets a lot of unfair criticism because people say Clara's ending is somehow a 'cop-out' and tend to forget she still has to return to her death.
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Post by doomlord on Jul 2, 2017 14:41:21 GMT
Also, on the whole, I think his era's been pretty inconsistent and one of the worst eras in the show's history. Certainly not. Every series in the new era is stronger than any in the classic IMO. That's a big NO around these parts, stranger.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jul 2, 2017 14:43:31 GMT
I'm going to hold off on doing my rankings until after Christmas.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jul 2, 2017 14:46:08 GMT
I'm going to hold off on doing my rankings until after Christmas. I honestly don't think Christmas will be as phenomenal as World Enough And Time/The Doctor Falls. That was The Caves of Androzani of the Peter Capaldi era. I could see It's A Wonderful Life (if that's what it ends up being called) being as great as Turn Left though.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jul 2, 2017 15:00:26 GMT
I'm going to hold off on doing my rankings until after Christmas. I honestly don't think Christmas will be as phenomenal as World Enough And Time/The Doctor Falls. That was The Caves of Androzani of the Peter Capaldi era. I could see It's A Wonderful Life (if that's what it ends up being called) being as great as Turn Left though. Well considering there was nothing that followed The Caves of Androzani with the 5th Doctor, I don't see how a comparison can be made. As for what the Christmas special is going to be, I have no idea. All I know if I don't see the purpose of taking in the whole of 12's tenure to rank the best of them with a incomplete picture of that body of work. So I'll wait. Others feel differently and I don't have a problem with that.
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Post by muckypup on Jul 2, 2017 16:06:23 GMT
Also, on the whole, I think his era's been pretty inconsistent and one of the worst eras in the show's history. have to agree with ya buddy..... with the exception of the Zygon invasion episodes & 3/4 of this season its been pretty poor, either incomprehensible drivel or just poorly executed. personally I just don't get Capaldi, but he was hampered by Clara being an on off companion, the overlong story arcs & the stupid gimmicks like the glasses and guitar. in my eyes he has been some what saved, by this final season but afraid it's too little to late to lift him from bottom place in my doctor rankings, I actually now wish he had stayed on the give him chance to further redeem his doctor and I never thought I would say that at the start of this season. I hope that he does join BF in the not too distant future and get the decent stories every doctor deserves. as to favourite 12 I don't think I have 12.....but the Zygon invasion episodes where 12 finally became the doctor so I would have those at the top & all this season with the exception of the Monk episodes as the rest.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 16:40:21 GMT
Also, on the whole, I think his era's been pretty inconsistent and one of the worst eras in the show's history. have to agree with ya buddy..... with the exception of the Zygon invasion episodes & 3/4 of this season its been pretty poor, either incomprehensible drivel or just poorly executed. personally I just don't get Capaldi, but he was hampered by Clara being an on off companion, the overlong story arcs & the stupid gimmicks like the glasses and guitar. in my eyes he has been some what saved, by this final season but afraid it's too little to late to lift him from bottom place in my doctor rankings, I actually now wish he had stayed on the give him chance to further redeem his doctor and I never thought I would say that at the start of this season. I hope that he does join BF in the not too distant future and get the decent stories every doctor deserves. as to favourite 12 I don't think I have 12.....but the Zygon invasion episodes where 12 finally became the doctor so I would have those at the top & all this season with the exception of the Monk episodes as the rest. Well, I think Capaldi will prove, in the future, to be an extremely devise Doctor, like Matt Smith and Peter Davison. (Fun Fact: Moffat's favourite era is the Davison one, and I mean the first two series, not Season 21. Might explain a few things, that, especially lackluster writing for the Doctor. As Mark Gatiss correctly has said, Season 20 has a Doctor that exhibits literally two emotions and that's it.) I'd also say that, despite Capaldi redeeming himself this series (I still think he's quite pedestrian, but nowhere near as much as Series 8 or 9, where he might as well just be a side character in all of the series, bar about five episodes), he should probably go now, since he's clearly put off quite a few people. And I know there are people on here of whom Capaldi has reinvigorated their opinion of the show, but... for every one of them, there's tons of people who've been put off. You have to remember that the ratings shave gone down pretty badly during his era. And it's all very well blaming the TV climate, but people have still stopped watching it. And, if the show was potentially better, I think the ratings drop might have been minor, compared to this, which is actually really quite big. And the ratings flop also coincides with the general perception of the quality of the show.
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