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Post by bobod on Jul 6, 2017 16:19:02 GMT
In this case, I'm with DB. We know the 10th Doctor's regeneration is coming from when he gets the radiation strike in that locked door contraption I forget the name of. That is what causes it. He then does a farewell tour seeing ALL his companions - and some other folk - and only then does he regenerate. I don't need to see him fighting off bursts of energy to understand he's been postponing the regeneration. And in the Rose scene it's now getting too much for him and he's struggling. Now people may disagree that this interpretation is right. But I've yet to see any reasonable argument here that it's wrong. There was one just a few posts above: that type of radiation exposure does not kill you instantly. Even a normal human would be able to walk around for a while before the body started to fail. Enough time to pay a visit to Susan, Barbara and Ian, Vicki, ..., ...Rose? Frankly I can't see why anyone would want to argue against that reading of the situation. Other than DB often invites disagreement through behaviour, to be fair.
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Post by mrperson on Jul 6, 2017 21:54:39 GMT
There was one just a few posts above: that type of radiation exposure does not kill you instantly. Even a normal human would be able to walk around for a while before the body started to fail. Enough time to pay a visit to Susan, Barbara and Ian, Vicki, ..., ...Rose? Frankly I can't see why anyone would want to argue against that reading of the situation. Other than DB often invites disagreement through behaviour, to be fair. Well, yes, why not? A human can last days even after a severe dose. He's a Timelord who can apparently survive in the vacuum of space for several minutes without a helmet. It's really not an important point to me and I'm not trying to change anyone's minds. It's simply that I have zero recollection of 10 being shown actively choking back regeneration energy. He didn't want to change and he went on a little tour, but they just didn't make a big deal of showing him repeatedly fighting back regeneration energy as they did here. It was played up a ton.
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Post by number13 on Jul 13, 2017 13:20:14 GMT
Inspired by and to complement this thread by aztec , I've added a poll thread so we can collectively answer the question: Which were the Twelfth Doctor's twelve best stories? Twelve's Top Twelve PollPlease visit and cast your votes. Thanks!
My personal top twelve stories for the excellent Twelfth Doctor are: 1. Mummy on the Orient Express 2. Heaven Sent 3. World Enough and Time / The Doctor Falls followed by (in broadcast order because I really can't sort them): Deep Breath... Robot of Sherwood Flatline The Magician's Apprentice / The Witch's Familiar The Husbands of River Song Oxygen Extremis Empress of Mars After I'd made my personal top 12 list (with difficult choices about which to leave out) I was interested to see that although Series 10 is my clear favourite as a series, my top 12 stories were spread more or less evenly across the three series of the era, including one of the Christmas Specials (so far).
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Post by aztec on Jul 13, 2017 16:38:06 GMT
Inspired by and to complement this thread by aztec , I've added a poll thread so we can collectively answer the question: Which were the Twelfth Doctor's twelve best stories? Twelve's Top Twelve PollPlease visit and cast your votes. Thanks!
My personal top twelve stories for the excellent Twelfth Doctor are: 1. Mummy on the Orient Express 2. Heaven Sent 3. World Enough and Time / The Doctor Falls followed by (in broadcast order because I really can't sort them): Deep Breath... Robot of Sherwood Flatline The Magician's Apprentice / The Witch's Familiar The Husbands of River Song Oxygen Extremis Empress of Mars After I'd made my personal top 12 list (with difficult choices about which to leave out) I was interested to see that although Series 10 is my clear favourite as a series, my top 12 stories were spread more or less evenly across the three series of the era, including one of the Christmas Specials (so far). Thanks for creating a poll I didn't think to do it myself, interesting to see how varied the responses are.
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Post by number13 on Jul 13, 2017 18:55:02 GMT
Thanks for creating a poll I didn't think to do it myself, interesting to see how varied the responses are. You're welcome! Yes there is a wide spread so far, although I noticed that my top three (and I think your top three too) are currently the top three, if in a different order. If my top three were easy to choose, I found it hard to select a top 12 when there were many other stories that could have had a place in the list. It has been a really great era, easily the best of the new series for me (though I know many others would disagree) and I wish Peter Capaldi's Doctor (+ Bill + Nardole) could have stayed for another couple of seasons. For me, the last series was the best of all, I enjoyed every episode.
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Post by McPherson on Jul 21, 2017 13:23:47 GMT
I don't think many watch Doctor Who for historic accuracy, and Vikings with horn helmets is an iconic image so it makes sense for them to be used in mainstream dramas even if its not historically correct. The problem is that members of the audience who are ''history-illiterates'' would probably just presume that the episodes are historically accurate due to the fact that Doctor who is a well regarded science fiction show dealing with time travel. Also, I don't think I am unique in believing that a show depicting time travel to the past is fundamentally pointless if past eras are depicted very inaccurately; if you are not going to depict the era and costuming at least somewhat correctly, you might as well set that plot on a distant planet with those elements that drew you to that past culture in the first place. Cases in point, 'The Keeper of Traken' and 'The Ribos Operation' draw influences from past centuries of Earth history whilst being set on alien worlds. The fact the Doctor lives for a very long time should logically mean that he views events like that as more recent than a human would. Technically the differing lifespans of various creatures are sort of entrenched in the theory of relativity; for example, flies live a very short time, but their life-time actually probably feels, for them, as long as the average human lifespan. Likewise, Turtles live awefully long lives, yet their lives don't feel as long for themselves. In otherwords, the fact the Doctor shouldn't experience an extremely long life but an average one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 13:36:13 GMT
The fact the Doctor lives for a very long time should logically mean that he views events like that as more recent than a human would. Technically the differing lifespans of various creatures are sort of entrenched in the theory of relativity; for example, flies live a very short time, but their life-time actually probably feels, for them, as long as the average human lifespan. Likewise, Turtles live awfully long lives, yet their lives don't feel as long for themselves. In other words, the fact the Doctor shouldn't experience an extremely long life but an average one. It's not directly related to the discussion, but it's interesting you point that out. A couple novels posit that the Doctor is actually living a rather short life for a Time Lord, given how many incarnations he's gone through at his age compared to his contemporaries. At one point in one of the stories, a family member criticises him for living his life "too quickly".
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Post by number13 on Jul 21, 2017 13:54:44 GMT
The fact the Doctor lives for a very long time should logically mean that he views events like that as more recent than a human would. Technically the differing lifespans of various creatures are sort of entrenched in the theory of relativity; for example, flies live a very short time, but their life-time actually probably feels, for them, as long as the average human lifespan. Likewise, Turtles live awfully long lives, yet their lives don't feel as long for themselves. In other words, the fact the Doctor shouldn't experience an extremely long life but an average one. It's not directly related to the discussion, but it's interesting you point that out. A couple novels posit that the Doctor is actually living a rather short life for a Time Lord, given how many incarnations he's gone through at his age compared to his contemporaries. At one point in one of the stories, a family member criticises him for living his life "too quickly". And Runcible "the fatuous" says much the same when he bumps into the Doctor while they are waiting for the President's inauguration in 'The Deadly Assassin' (I think: 'If you will live such a rackety life' was approximately his phrase. )
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 14:00:25 GMT
It's not directly related to the discussion, but it's interesting you point that out. A couple novels posit that the Doctor is actually living a rather short life for a Time Lord, given how many incarnations he's gone through at his age compared to his contemporaries. At one point in one of the stories, a family member criticises him for living his life "too quickly". And Runcible "the fatuous" says much the same when he bumps into the Doctor while they are waiting for the President's inauguration in 'The Deadly Assassin' (I think: 'If you will live such a rackety life' was approximately his phrase. ) Yes, exactly. "Some sort of scandal," got him kicked out of the Academy (probably did whatever it was on purpose knowing the Doctor). I do like discussions that challenge anthropocentric perceptions in speculative fiction (i.e. man is the measure of the universe, not realistically the other way around), it always manages to be eye-opening.
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