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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 2, 2017 18:18:21 GMT
www.digitalspy.com/tv/doctor-who/news/a834617/doctor-who-christmas-special-almost-scrapped/Now I understand why from a behind the scenes perspective Moffat decided to bring the First Doctor back. He's obviously recycling his original 50th anniversary idea for a quick turn-around after believing he wouldn't be writing the Christmas Special. Whether Twice Upon A Time is good or bad, we should all applaud Moffat for agreeing to write the Christmas Special when it became apparent Chris Chibnall didn't want to do it. He didn't have to. He could have left after The Doctor Falls. Instead he made a decision upon his Grinch Chibnall discovery to write Christmas and thereby save the Doctor Who Christmas Special tradition. Well done, Moffat, for agreeing to write Christmas at what I would imagine was probably very short notice. He's done extremely well to quickly find an old idea and craft a script around it. I wonder if he had time for multiple drafts, or is this another Midnight situation?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 18:26:36 GMT
From what I'm hearing, without Moffat, we might not have had any new Doctor Who in 2017 either. He had planned to leave after The Husbands of River Song, but stayed to write Series 10 after it was apparent that Chibnall would not be available. So he deserves huge kudos for that too, if that's true.
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Post by mark687 on Aug 2, 2017 18:27:07 GMT
That's a crazy situation the Xmas EP draws almost double the average audience I'm starting to wonder exactly what the BBC consider success.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Aug 2, 2017 18:34:09 GMT
Everything else was in place, so not too difficult to find another writer!
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Post by aztec on Aug 2, 2017 18:45:52 GMT
From what I'm hearing, without Moffat, we might not have had any new Doctor Who in 2017 either. He had planned to leave after The Husbands of River Song, but stayed to write Series 10 after it was apparent that Chibnall would not be available. So he deserves huge kudos for that too, if that's true. And rumours doing the rounds at GB have implied Chibnall was the only name the BBC considered who could actually be persuaded to take on the job, other candidates were sounded out but it seems like most were either unwilling or not interested in the job, so if Moffat had left it would have likely meant 3 years with no Who and the possibility of Capaldi regenerating off-screen (I believe he was only on a two-series contract at the time, with the option of a third year, the long gap coupled with his age and a new showrunner may have persuaded him to leave earlier) which is something I'm really glad didn't happen Series 10 was great for the most part, Nardole and Bill rapidly became one of my favourite tardis teams...
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Post by aztec on Aug 2, 2017 18:49:35 GMT
Everything else was in place, so not too difficult to find another writer! Rumours reported on GB last year (take with the appropriate pinch of salt) imply Chibnall was the only serious candidate the BBC considered, and more importantly the only person sounded out who was actively enthused about the job/signing a long contract, there's few enough writers in the Uk with experience to oversee Who even fewer who would be willing to do the job for just a year.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 2, 2017 18:58:58 GMT
From what I'm hearing, without Moffat, we might not have had any new Doctor Who in 2017 either. He had planned to leave after The Husbands of River Song, but stayed to write Series 10 after it was apparent that Chibnall would not be available. So he deserves huge kudos for that too, if that's true. Yeah, I heard that too. The poor guy gets so much hate but he's done a lot for the show. You can tell Moffat is truly dedicated to the shows he runs, and is a hard worker.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 19:04:14 GMT
Everything else was in place, so not too difficult to find another writer! Rumours reported on GB last year (take with the appropriate pinch of salt) imply Chibnall was the only serious candidate the BBC considered, and more importantly the only person sounded out who was actively enthused about the job/signing a long contract, there's few enough writers in the Uk with experience to oversee Who even fewer who would be willing to do the job for just a year. Oh yeah, that's a point about rumors. I know it's kind of off-topic, but are there any rumors about Series 11.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 19:07:31 GMT
Everything else was in place, so not too difficult to find another writer! Any words of goodwill from you, paulmorris7777?
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Aug 2, 2017 19:12:07 GMT
Everything else was in place, so not too difficult to find another writer! Any words of goodwill from you, paulmorris7777 ? Nah!
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Post by aztec on Aug 2, 2017 19:12:44 GMT
From what I'm hearing, without Moffat, we might not have had any new Doctor Who in 2017 either. He had planned to leave after The Husbands of River Song, but stayed to write Series 10 after it was apparent that Chibnall would not be available. So he deserves huge kudos for that too, if that's true. Yeah, I heard that too. The poor guy gets so much hate but he's done a lot for the show. You can tell Moffat is truly dedicated to the shows he runs, and is a hard worker. Moffat's probably glad Chibnall cast a female Doctor, it must make a very pleasant change for him that the 'fans' are hating someone else for a change, Chibnall hasn't even started properly and people are already proclaiming he's ruined the show, I hope he knows just how much work he is in for and has as thick a skin as his two predecessors...I'm continually amazed by just how entitled and angry some elements of the Who fandom can get (many of whom are grown adults), who thought a family friendly escapist drama built on such a ludicrous premise could provoke so much anger? I won't speak for anyone else but I watch/listen/read Who for a bit of escapist fun and always look at things from a positive perspective, some it seems, seem to get more enjoyment out of getting annoyed with the show...
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 2, 2017 19:15:59 GMT
Yeah, I heard that too. The poor guy gets so much hate but he's done a lot for the show. You can tell Moffat is truly dedicated to the shows he runs, and is a hard worker. Moffat's probably glad Chibnall cast a female Doctor, it must make a very pleasant change for him that the 'fans' are hating someone else for a change, Chibnall hasn't even started properly and people are already proclaiming he's ruined the show, I hope he knows just how much work he is in for and has as thick a skin as his two predecessors...I'm continually amazed by just how entitled and angry some elements of the Who fandom can get (many of whom are grown adults), who thought a family friendly escapist drama built on such a ludicrous premise could provoke so much anger? I won't speak for anyone else but I watch/listen/read Who for a bit of escapist fun and always look at things from a positive perspective, some it seems, seem to get more enjoyment out of getting annoyed with the show... I could imagine Moffat probably would have liked to have cast the first female Doctor, but on the other hand yes it may have been a little too much hate after all the hate he has had for everything else. The funny thing is, as soon as he's gone all those behind the hate will suddenly start asking for his return!
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Post by aztec on Aug 2, 2017 19:18:40 GMT
Rumours reported on GB last year (take with the appropriate pinch of salt) imply Chibnall was the only serious candidate the BBC considered, and more importantly the only person sounded out who was actively enthused about the job/signing a long contract, there's few enough writers in the Uk with experience to oversee Who even fewer who would be willing to do the job for just a year. Oh yeah, that's a point about rumors. I know it's kind of off-topic, but are there any rumors about Series 11. I've not been paying too much attention so far (I'm not overly excited by the upcoming era-nothing against Chibbers or Whittaker (I'm cautiously excited about a female Doctor, I've just loved the Capaldi era so much I'm sad at what's ending rather than looking to the future, and Chibnall's previous Whoniverse efforts don't feel me with much confidence) and pre-production has barely begun so there's not been anything of substance floating around that I've read, beyond the rumours Chibnall is pushing for an entirely new creative team, from the directors through to writers, and that he wants a much greater involvement/focus on advertising and tie-ins.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Aug 2, 2017 19:18:50 GMT
Everything else was in place, so not too difficult to find another writer! Rumours reported on GB last year (take with the appropriate pinch of salt) imply Chibnall was the only serious candidate the BBC considered, and more importantly the only person sounded out who was actively enthused about the job/signing a long contract, there's few enough writers in the Uk with experience to oversee Who even fewer who would be willing to do the job for just a year. Only serious candidate to be Showrunner!!! The Producer, and other Exec Producers were in place. Surely, they could have found someone, anyone, to write the Christmas Special? How about Toby Whitehouse, Mark Gatiss, Peter Harness, Jamie Mathieson, Sarah Dollard, Phil Ford, Gareth Roberts? It was only ONE story!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 19:22:01 GMT
Rumours reported on GB last year (take with the appropriate pinch of salt) imply Chibnall was the only serious candidate the BBC considered, and more importantly the only person sounded out who was actively enthused about the job/signing a long contract, there's few enough writers in the Uk with experience to oversee Who even fewer who would be willing to do the job for just a year. Only serious candidate to be Showrunner!!! The Producer, and other Exec Producers were in place. Surely, they could have found someone, anyone, to write the Christmas Special? How about Toby Whitehouse, Mark Gatiss, Peter Harness, Jamie Mathieson, Sarah Dollard, Phil Ford, Gareth Roberts? It was only ONE story! Would you have liked any of the ones you just listed?
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Post by aztec on Aug 2, 2017 19:24:37 GMT
Rumours reported on GB last year (take with the appropriate pinch of salt) imply Chibnall was the only serious candidate the BBC considered, and more importantly the only person sounded out who was actively enthused about the job/signing a long contract, there's few enough writers in the Uk with experience to oversee Who even fewer who would be willing to do the job for just a year. Only serious candidate to be Showrunner!!! The Producer, and other Exec Producers were in place. Surely, they could have found someone, anyone, to write the Christmas Special? How about Toby Whitehouse, Mark Gatiss, Peter Harness, Jamie Mathieson, Sarah Dollard, Phil Ford, Gareth Roberts? It was only ONE story! If they were going to go to the effort of hiring a new showrunner for a single production block, at that point the BBC would obviously have enough interest to continue the show for another full series run, Gatiss dosen't want the job, Whithouse has expressed interest in taking over but none of the others have showrunning experience.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 19:29:54 GMT
Only serious candidate to be Showrunner!!! The Producer, and other Exec Producers were in place. Surely, they could have found someone, anyone, to write the Christmas Special? How about Toby Whitehouse, Mark Gatiss, Peter Harness, Jamie Mathieson, Sarah Dollard, Phil Ford, Gareth Roberts? It was only ONE story! If they were going to go to the effort of hiring a new showrunner for a single production block, at that point the BBC would obviously have enough interest to continue the show for another full series run, Gatiss dosen't want the job, Whithouse has expressed interest in taking over but none of the others have showrunning experience. I kind of wish they'd go back to Script-Editor and Producer, rather than headwriter. Having said all that, though, I think the obvious choice to have a showrunner would be Gatiss. Whithouse probably couldn't because his TV Show ended up failing. Therefore, after Gatiss, the only candidate is Chibnall.
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Post by sherlock on Aug 2, 2017 19:30:31 GMT
Everything else was in place, so not too difficult to find another writer! Got sources for claiming everything else was in place?
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Aug 2, 2017 19:37:13 GMT
Everything else was in place, so not too difficult to find another writer! Got sources for claiming everything else was in place? And another writer to handle either a. Capaldi's lsst episode or b. Whitaker's first? No chance. And I doubt the BBC would go for a one-off McGann episode before anyone suggests it.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Aug 2, 2017 19:45:51 GMT
Everything else was in place, so not too difficult to find another writer! Got sources for claiming everything else was in place? Well, Brian Minchin is still the Exec Producer. Peter Bennett was Producer for 7 episodes of series 11 including the Christmas Special. Nikki Wilson was the Producer of the remaining episodes (not involved with Xmas Special, though). Nikki Lambon was the Script Editor for series 10,(although I don't know if he's involved in the Xmas Special). The back bone of the Production Team were all there!
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