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Post by aztec on Aug 2, 2017 19:46:00 GMT
Got sources for claiming everything else was in place? And I doubt the BBC would go for a one-off McGann episode before anyone suggests it. As much as I love the 8th Doctor and admire McGann as an actor there's a part of me that is glad he only has two screen appearances, at the beginning and end of his life it keeps his Doctor more mysterious and unburdened by TV continuity/budgets or rules (there's no way the BBC could or would produce something like Scerhoz, Dark Eyes, Orbis or Ship In A Bottle for a saturday family show), certainly hoping he appears in a multi doctor story one day, but I'm not holding my breath and I wouldn't trust the TV writers to capture the 8th Doctor's character faithfully. |
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Aug 2, 2017 19:47:43 GMT
Got sources for claiming everything else was in place? And another writer to handle either a. Capaldi's lsst episode or b. Whitaker's first? No chance. And I doubt the BBC would go for a one-off McGann episode before anyone suggests it. Well, they're doing an episode involving the First Doctor! They could have done a regeneration at the end of The Doctor Falls, and made the Xmas Special with Capaldi as a "missing adventure". Anything is possible! |
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Aug 2, 2017 19:50:12 GMT
Only serious candidate to be Showrunner!!! The Producer, and other Exec Producers were in place. Surely, they could have found someone, anyone, to write the Christmas Special? How about Toby Whitehouse, Mark Gatiss, Peter Harness, Jamie Mathieson, Sarah Dollard, Phil Ford, Gareth Roberts? It was only ONE story! If they were going to go to the effort of hiring a new showrunner for a single production block, at that point the BBC would obviously have enough interest to continue the show for another full series run, Gatiss dosen't want the job, Whithouse has expressed interest in taking over but none of the others have showrunning experience. It wouldn't have to be a "showrunner"! I'm sure Rachel Talalay, Peter Bennett and Brian Minchin could have held everything together for ONE episode! |
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Aug 2, 2017 19:51:55 GMT
If they were going to go to the effort of hiring a new showrunner for a single production block, at that point the BBC would obviously have enough interest to continue the show for another full series run, Gatiss dosen't want the job, Whithouse has expressed interest in taking over but none of the others have showrunning experience. It wouldn't have to be a "showrunner"! I'm sure Rachel Talalay, Peter Bennett and Brian Minchin could have held everything together for ONE episode! That was a job for "Uncle Terrance"! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 20:29:43 GMT
Got sources for claiming everything else was in place? Well, Brian Minchin is still the Exec Producer. Peter Bennett was Producer for 7 episodes of series 11 including the Christmas Special. Nikki Wilson was the Producer of the remaining episodes (not involved with Xmas Special, though). Nikki Lambon was the Script Editor for series 10,(although I don't know if he's involved in the Xmas Special). The back bone of the Production Team were all there! There, but out of contract, as Moffat will have been expecting Chibnall to put in place his own team. |
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Aug 2, 2017 23:01:27 GMT
Well, Brian Minchin is still the Exec Producer. Peter Bennett was Producer for 7 episodes of series 11 including the Christmas Special. Nikki Wilson was the Producer of the remaining episodes (not involved with Xmas Special, though). Nikki Lambon was the Script Editor for series 10,(although I don't know if he's involved in the Xmas Special). The back bone of the Production Team were all there! There, but out of contract, as Moffat will have been expecting Chibnall to put in place his own team. Well, they have made it, so the contracts must have been extended. And, would have had another writer been used! |
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Aug 2, 2017 23:13:48 GMT
There, but out of contract, as Moffat will have been expecting Chibnall to put in place his own team. Well, they have made it, so the contracts must have been extended. And, would have had another writer been used! How often does the exclamation mark on your keyboard wear out? |
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Aug 2, 2017 23:14:31 GMT
Well, they have made it, so the contracts must have been extended. And, would have had another writer been used! How often does the exclamation mark on your keyboard wear out? LOL |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 5:43:44 GMT
There, but out of contract, as Moffat will have been expecting Chibnall to put in place his own team. Well, they have made it, so the contracts must have been extended. And, would have had another writer been used! Perhaps. However it was Moffat that actually arranged it all and made it happen. The BBC had put a lot of time and effort into recruiting Chibnall and had mo appetite to find someone to do a one-off story. Is it really so hard to give Stephen some credit here? Also, if Moffat had left at the end of S10, he is clear that Capaldi would as well. Chibnall could well have blocked the idea of anyone doing a one off at Christmas as it would mean someone else doing Jodie's first story. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 6:31:03 GMT
I can see the logic in not having a Christmas special - the show is due for a major shakeup, after all.
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Post by number13 on Aug 3, 2017 6:44:26 GMT
From what I'm hearing, without Moffat, we might not have had any new Doctor Who in 2017 either. He had planned to leave after The Husbands of River Song, but stayed to write Series 10 after it was apparent that Chibnall would not be available. So he deserves huge kudos for that too, if that's true. I for one am very grateful for that - I've enjoyed Series 10 most out of the whole new era to date and I just wish they could have kept the winning team together for another couple of years.  Fabulous Doctor, two great companions and an excellent run of scripts. If there is so much difficulty in finding a person able and willing to take on the job, perhaps that is proof (as was suggested above) that a return to the tried and tested combination of Producer / Script Editor would be better. We've heard & read enough about the classic era to know how much work they did, and what excellent results the top pairings produced together - it's very hard to imagine any single person being say, Letts and Dicks or Hinchcliffe and Holmes, but isn't that more or less what they expect now? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 8:14:11 GMT
From what I'm hearing, without Moffat, we might not have had any new Doctor Who in 2017 either. He had planned to leave after The Husbands of River Song, but stayed to write Series 10 after it was apparent that Chibnall would not be available. So he deserves huge kudos for that too, if that's true. I for one am very grateful for that - I've enjoyed Series 10 most out of the whole new era to date and I just wish they could have kept the winning team together for another couple of years. Fabulous Doctor, two great companions and an excellent run of scripts. If there is so much difficulty in finding a person able and willing to take on the job, perhaps that is proof (as was suggested above) that a return to the tried and tested combination of Producer / Script Editor would be better. We've heard & read enough about the classic era to know how much work they did, and what excellent results the top pairings produced together - it's very hard to imagine any single person being say, Letts and Dicks or Hinchcliffe and Holmes, but isn't that more or less what they expect now? Well, there are ways of getting around that. RTD managed it for the second series of Torchwood by having Chibnall in as an associate producer, which was essentially the position of "script editor" by another name, so it's not entirely impossible we could get such a winning duo again. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 3, 2017 8:51:43 GMT
I can see the logic in not having a Christmas special - the show is due for a major shakeup, after all. I don't see how getting rid of the Christmas Special would shake-up the show in any way. It would just mean one less episode and a longer wait at the end of the series for more Doctor Who. |
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Aug 3, 2017 12:43:23 GMT
Well, they have made it, so the contracts must have been extended. And, would have had another writer been used! Perhaps. However it was Moffat that actually arranged it all and made it happen. The BBC had put a lot of time and effort into recruiting Chibnall and had mo appetite to find someone to do a one-off story. Is it really so hard to give Stephen some credit here? Also, if Moffat had left at the end of S10, he is clear that Capaldi would as well. Chibnall could well have blocked the idea of anyone doing a one off at Christmas as it would mean someone else doing Jodie's first story. Why couldn't someone else have written Capaldis last story, at Christmas? |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 3, 2017 13:13:13 GMT
Perhaps. However it was Moffat that actually arranged it all and made it happen. The BBC had put a lot of time and effort into recruiting Chibnall and had mo appetite to find someone to do a one-off story. Is it really so hard to give Stephen some credit here? Also, if Moffat had left at the end of S10, he is clear that Capaldi would as well. Chibnall could well have blocked the idea of anyone doing a one off at Christmas as it would mean someone else doing Jodie's first story. Why couldn't someone else have written Capaldis last story, at Christmas? Picture this... It's your last day at work. You've got some clearing up to do before the next person comes swanning in...then your friend Billy Bob completely takes over, doing everything his way. Would you be fine with that? |
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Post by doomlord on Aug 3, 2017 13:36:55 GMT
Why couldn't someone else have written Capaldis last story, at Christmas? Picture this... It's your last day at work. You've got some clearing up to do before the next person comes swanning in...then your friend Billy Bob completely takes over, doing everything his way. Would you be fine with that? Apart from sounding like Rod Sterling, isn't that going to happen anyway? If it's your last day at work, by your own admission, you've cleared up, then why should it matter to you what the new person does? Moffat leaves, Chibnall starts doing everything his way. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 13:48:46 GMT
Picture this... It's your last day at work. You've got some clearing up to do before the next person comes swanning in...then your friend Billy Bob completely takes over, doing everything his way. Would you be fine with that? Apart from sounding like Rod Sterling, isn't that going to happen anyway? If it's your last day at work, by your own admission, you've cleared up, then why should it matter to you what the new person does? Moffat leaves, Chibnall starts doing everything his way. That's not what DB said though. The gig is still Moffat's untill the story is done. You haven't "cleared up" till you finish your last day, have you? Yes, Moffat leaves but the post DB was responding to was saying that he shouldn't be writing the last story in his own era which is clearly nonsense. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 3, 2017 13:50:05 GMT
Picture this... It's your last day at work. You've got some clearing up to do before the next person comes swanning in...then your friend Billy Bob completely takes over, doing everything his way. Would you be fine with that? Apart from sounding like Rod Sterling, isn't that going to happen anyway? If it's your last day at work, by your own admission, you've cleared up, then why should it matter to you what the new person does? Moffat leaves, Chibnall starts doing everything his way. My point is you wouldn't want someone else clearing up for you before the new guy comes swanning in. You wouldn't want Billy Bob finishing your work. |
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Post by chrism1999 on Aug 3, 2017 14:00:36 GMT
Apart from sounding like Rod Sterling, isn't that going to happen anyway? If it's your last day at work, by your own admission, you've cleared up, then why should it matter to you what the new person does? Moffat leaves, Chibnall starts doing everything his way. My point is you wouldn't want someone else clearing up for you before the new guy comes swanning in. You wouldn't want Billy Bob finishing your work. I once got to spend a month or so at work while my effective replacement mostly took over my responsibilities and I got to coast to the end doing pretty much only the parts of the job I fancied doing with little expectations of me. It was great fun. |
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 3, 2017 14:03:52 GMT
My point is you wouldn't want someone else clearing up for you before the new guy comes swanning in. You wouldn't want Billy Bob finishing your work. I once got to spend a month or so at work while my effective replacement mostly took over my responsibilities and I got to coast to the end doing pretty much only the parts of the job I fancied doing with little expectations of me. It was great fun. That was your successor though. In this case Moffat's successor Chibnall didn't want to write Christmas, and I doubt Moffat would have been happy with, say, Toby Whithouse writing the last episode of Moffat's era. Billy Bob didn't finish your work for you, your successor - let's call him Bob Billy - just eased your exit. |
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