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Post by chrism1999 on Aug 3, 2017 14:10:29 GMT
I once got to spend a month or so at work while my effective replacement mostly took over my responsibilities and I got to coast to the end doing pretty much only the parts of the job I fancied doing with little expectations of me. It was great fun. That was your successor though. In this case Moffat's successor Chibnall didn't want to write Christmas, and I doubt Moffat would have been happy with, say, Toby Whithouse writing the last episode of Moffat's era. Billy Bob didn't finish your work for you, your successor - let's call him Bob Billy - just eased your exit. I'm not entirely sure why I should care about their identity given the circumstances. I'm leaving, in an easier manner than it otherwise could've been (both personally and professionally), and I'm still getting paid whilst multiple people actually dealt with the hard work, not just my immediate successor (to the extent there was a specific one, but let's not overcomplicate matters).
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 3, 2017 14:13:06 GMT
That was your successor though. In this case Moffat's successor Chibnall didn't want to write Christmas, and I doubt Moffat would have been happy with, say, Toby Whithouse writing the last episode of Moffat's era. Billy Bob didn't finish your work for you, your successor - let's call him Bob Billy - just eased your exit. I'm not entirely sure why I should care about their identity given the circumstances. I'm leaving, in an easier manner than it otherwise could've been (both personally and professionally), and I'm still getting paid whilst multiple people actually dealt with the hard work, not just my immediate successor (to the extent there was a specific one, but let's not overcomplicate matters). So you'd be happy with Billy Bob who isn't your immediate successor taking over from finishing your work? I doubt many including Moffat would be.
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Post by sherlock on Aug 3, 2017 14:21:01 GMT
Going back to the original interview: '"Doctor Who would've lost that slot if we hadn't [done a special] because Christmas Day is now so rammed. So I said, probably four glasses of red wine in, 'I'll do Christmas!' and then had to persuade Peter [Capaldi] that's how we were leaving.'
So by the sounds of it Moffat had to persuade Capaldi to do Christmas with him. So this hypothetical no-Moffat special the last 2 pages are dedicated to debating would have actually been the first of a new Doctor, not Capaldi"s leaving episode, since Capaldi evidently had to he persuade to extended to Christmas.
So why would the BBC get a one-off writer to introduce a new Doctor? Fundamentally that would not work as Chibnall might have different ideas about the Doctor then this one-off hypothetical, leading to a horribly disjointed introduction. Hence presumably they planned to ditch Christmas and let Chibnall introduce his new Doctor when he could begin. Then Moffat learned of that, as per the account in this interview.
Unless I'm interpreting this wrong, which is wholly possible.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 14:38:30 GMT
Going back to the original interview: '"Doctor Who would've lost that slot if we hadn't [done a special] because Christmas Day is now so rammed. So I said, probably four glasses of red wine in, 'I'll do Christmas!' and then had to persuade Peter [Capaldi] that's how we were leaving.' So by the sounds of it Moffat had to persuade Capaldi to do Christmas with him. So this hypothetical no-Moffat special the last 2 pages are dedicated to debating would have actually been the first of a new Doctor, not Capaldi"s leaving episode, since Capaldi evidently had to he persuade to extended to Christmas. So why would the BBC get a one-off writer to introduce a new Doctor? Fundamentally that would not work as Chibnall might have different ideas about the Doctor then this one-off hypothetical, leading to a horribly disjointed introduction. Hence presumably they planned to ditch Christmas and let Chibnall introduce his new Doctor when he could begin. Then Moffat learned of that, as per the account in this interview. Unless I'm interpreting this wrong, which is wholly possible. If memory serves, Matt Smith had also agreed to do a few more episodes after he was due to leave. But this is interesting - if we had no Christmas special, then Peter C's Doctor would have regenerated at the end of The Doctor Falls, which had all the grim epic qualities of a last adventure. As it is, the Christmas special promises something lighter, and by all accounts, a 'beautiful' regeneration. I'm very glad we're getting this 'extra' adventure.
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Post by mrperson on Aug 3, 2017 15:00:25 GMT
I hope this "beautiful" regeneration doesn't involve a long speech. The last few have been rather overplayed, for me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 15:02:41 GMT
I hope this "beautiful" regeneration doesn't involve a long speech. The last few have been rather overplayed, for me. There was an element of 'get on with it' when David Tennant regenerated certainly, after his tour of past glories. Hopefully this will be more contained.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 3, 2017 15:03:08 GMT
I hope this "beautiful" regeneration doesn't involve a long speech. The last few have been rather overplayed, for me. I would be very surprised if Peter Capaldi's last scene isn't one big speech. It will likely lead back to the Good Man arc from Series 8, with the Doctor finally accepting he is not just an idiot in a box but the very definition of what a 'good man' stands for.
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Post by stcoop on Aug 3, 2017 15:51:09 GMT
But this is interesting - if we had no Christmas special, then Peter C's Doctor would have regenerated at the end of The Doctor Falls, which had all the grim epic qualities of a last adventure. From the sounds of it that was they way they shot the episode. Then they scrapped the original ending and shot the final TARDIS scene/Bradley's appearance at the last minute.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 16:00:55 GMT
But this is interesting - if we had no Christmas special, then Peter C's Doctor would have regenerated at the end of The Doctor Falls, which had all the grim epic qualities of a last adventure. From the sounds of it that was they way they shot the episode. Then they scrapped the original ending and shot the final TARDIS scene/Bradley's appearance at the last minute. The more you think about it, the more it makes sense, doesn't it? We even had flashbacks to past companions. It seems art is imitating life here, with the regeneration being stretched over the end-of-series cliffhanger. Interesting times!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 16:38:52 GMT
Going back to the original interview: '"Doctor Who would've lost that slot if we hadn't [done a special] because Christmas Day is now so rammed. So I said, probably four glasses of red wine in, 'I'll do Christmas!' and then had to persuade Peter [Capaldi] that's how we were leaving.' I agree with that, Doctor Who on BBC1 Christmas Day is a tradition for us now, losing that slot would have been bad. So Steven Moffat was right to extend Capaldi's tenure to the Christmas Special... and it makes perfect sense for Moffat to write it so that himself and Peter Capaldi bow out at the same time. Christmas just wouldn't be Christmas without a Doctor Who episode on in the evening.
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Post by tordred on Aug 3, 2017 17:13:53 GMT
Oh yeah, that's a point about rumors. I know it's kind of off-topic, but are there any rumors about Series 11. I've not been paying too much attention so far (I'm not overly excited by the upcoming era-nothing against Chibbers or Whittaker (I'm cautiously excited about a female Doctor, I've just loved the Capaldi era so much I'm sad at what's ending rather than looking to the future, and Chibnall's previous Whoniverse efforts don't feel me with much confidence) and pre-production has barely begun so there's not been anything of substance floating around that I've read, beyond the rumours Chibnall is pushing for an entirely new creative team, from the directors through to writers, and that he wants a much greater involvement/focus on advertising and tie-ins. The big rumor floating around is Gold may be out.
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Post by mrperson on Aug 3, 2017 21:08:31 GMT
I hope this "beautiful" regeneration doesn't involve a long speech. The last few have been rather overplayed, for me. I would be very surprised if Peter Capaldi's last scene isn't one big speech. It will likely lead back to the Good Man arc from Series 8, with the Doctor finally accepting he is not just an idiot in a box but the very definition of what a 'good man' stands for. I wouldn't be surprised either. In fact, I'm expecting it. I just want them to get back to a more normal regeneration that focuses on the sacrifice. But, if they pull off an otherwise good 1-12 episode, I won't complain too much.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Aug 3, 2017 21:59:18 GMT
I've not been paying too much attention so far (I'm not overly excited by the upcoming era-nothing against Chibbers or Whittaker (I'm cautiously excited about a female Doctor, I've just loved the Capaldi era so much I'm sad at what's ending rather than looking to the future, and Chibnall's previous Whoniverse efforts don't feel me with much confidence) and pre-production has barely begun so there's not been anything of substance floating around that I've read, beyond the rumours Chibnall is pushing for an entirely new creative team, from the directors through to writers, and that he wants a much greater involvement/focus on advertising and tie-ins. The big rumor floating around is Gold may be out. Much as I love Gold, it is time to go. He's now entering the Dudley Simpson phase of 'all sounding the same' and the show could benefit from new musical direction. Whether it's Ólafur Arnalds (Broadchurch) or someone else, it could be a boon.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Aug 3, 2017 22:50:00 GMT
I would be very surprised if Peter Capaldi's last scene isn't one big speech. It will likely lead back to the Good Man arc from Series 8, with the Doctor finally accepting he is not just an idiot in a box but the very definition of what a 'good man' stands for. I wouldn't be surprised either. In fact, I'm expecting it. I just want them to get back to a more normal regeneration that focuses on the sacrifice. But, if they pull off an otherwise good 1-12 episode, I won't complain too much. I like a good speech personally, and I do feel like 12 considering himself to be a 'good man' would be a fitting end to his incarnation. This Doctor seems to have spent a lot of time doubting himself. It would be nice to see his final moments be him finally accepting he does good.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Aug 4, 2017 0:33:32 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised either. In fact, I'm expecting it. I just want them to get back to a more normal regeneration that focuses on the sacrifice. But, if they pull off an otherwise good 1-12 episode, I won't complain too much. I like a good speech personally, and I do feel like 12 considering himself to be a 'good man' would be a fitting end to his incarnation. This Doctor seems to have spent a lot of time doubting himself. It would be nice to see his final moments be him finally accepting he does good. I've always felt that the "idiot in a box" speech was the end of that question and the self doubt. He's not a good man, but that doesn't matter. He's content with who he is.
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Post by tordred on Aug 4, 2017 0:44:27 GMT
The big rumor floating around is Gold may be out. Much as I love Gold, it is time to go. He's now entering the Dudley Simpson phase of 'all sounding the same' and the show could benefit from new musical direction. Whether it's Ólafur Arnalds (Broadchurch) or someone else, it could be a boon. Yeah, I'd say Blair Mowat and he are the two most likely picks.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 3:28:09 GMT
I like a good speech personally, and I do feel like 12 considering himself to be a 'good man' would be a fitting end to his incarnation. This Doctor seems to have spent a lot of time doubting himself. It would be nice to see his final moments be him finally accepting he does good. I've always felt that the "idiot in a box" speech was the end of that question and the self doubt. He's not a good man, but that doesn't matter. He's content with who he is. I always interpreted it as something he strives for, but it isn't something he necessarily believes he can ever attain.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Aug 4, 2017 7:40:18 GMT
The big rumor floating around is Gold may be out. Much as I love Gold, it is time to go. He's now entering the Dudley Simpson phase of 'all sounding the same' and the show could benefit from new musical direction. Whether it's Ólafur Arnalds (Broadchurch) or someone else, it could be a boon. Think you'll find Gold was the same from day one!
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Aug 4, 2017 9:18:26 GMT
Much as I love Gold, it is time to go. He's now entering the Dudley Simpson phase of 'all sounding the same' and the show could benefit from new musical direction. Whether it's Ólafur Arnalds (Broadchurch) or someone else, it could be a boon. Think you'll find Gold was the same from day one! So, we can chalk up musical composition and styles to the list of things you purposefully fail to do your homework on, just lack your complete abscence of knowledge on how television production or the writing processes work, despite resources being very readily available.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 9:41:11 GMT
I hope this "beautiful" regeneration doesn't involve a long speech. The last few have been rather overplayed, for me. There was an element of 'get on with it' when David Tennant regenerated certainly, after his tour of past glories. Hopefully this will be more contained. Yes! Worst regeneration ever! Horrible 4th wall breaking 'boo-hooing' from Tennant & RTD.
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